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nostrildamus

@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2026:

if it was me?
The skipper moves to a squaddie spot
I am looking at 3 new starting loose forwards, Ardie to the bench.
BB to the paddock, DMac promoted and the most promising young 10 to the bench.
I am looking very hard at both midfield spots, definitely a new (or even returned) centre.
A new fullback, Jordan back to a wing.

I'm not convinced we have much depth in those positions to be that excited. I'd agree Ardie would probably be better on the bench. Or do you mean previous ABs? We seem to be loosing a lot of loosies in the last two years...

nostrildamus

@gt12 said in All Blacks 2026:

In case this is not a rhetorical question, the current WC winning coach.

Appointed 2017, they won in 2019.

Fair enough, I should have qualified that.

nostrildamus

I thought they were mostly pissed off with Hansen not Razor? Could it be (if rumours are true) that they decided to fire Hansen and Razor went down with the ~~head coach~~ ship?

Bones

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2026:

@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2026:

A bad culture, players thinking they are bigger than the team… only one person for the job.

IT’S HAMMER TIME!

Actually Nonu might make a useful assistant coach, what is he doing?

More than Piri.

nostrildamus

@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2026:

A bad culture, players thinking they are bigger than the team… only one person for the job.

IT’S HAMMER TIME!

Actually Nonu might make a useful assistant coach, what is he doing?

Bones

@handa457 said in All Blacks 2026:

Doubt Christie is speaking highly of his treatment too

He fucking should be! He's one player who has very much benefitted from ultra conservative selection and lack of vision.

Victor Meldrew

@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2026:

@xman said in All Blacks 2026:

If all 3 Barrett brothers, Taylor, Jordan, McKenzie backs Robertson but Savea wants him sacked, what does NZR do? Savea would be the odd man out of that senior group. I doubt if less experienced players are dissatisfied that would sway NZR to sack Robertson. Savea alone won’t do it. It will have to be few of the senior players to turn on Robertson. Taylor, Jordan, Scott Barrett are all Crusaders so you would think they remain loyal to him. I’m skeptical the other 2 Barretts would go against their brother. Rieko and ALB are the other senior players but their position in the team is vulnerable.

You control the senior players, your job is safe. That’s how Foster stayed when his job was on the line. I suspect that’s one of the reasons why Robertson chose Scott Barrett as captain and his brother Jordie as vice captain because he couldn’t trust Savea as he was loyal to Foster. If shit hits the fan like now, Savea wouldn’t have the same loyalty. It’s the same in every office environment or politics.

If Savea’s coup fails, then that would be the end of his All Blacks career. No way Robertson would tolerate him. I doubt even the other senior players will trust him. Once the trust is gone, it’s impossible to repair.

The thing about Savea is, is that he is extremely popular with the public. It would be a PR disaster if he was ousted out of all of this.

And it's clearly not one player causing all the problems and we'd all be hunky-dory if he left.

handa457

@Chris technically I suppose depending on how you define senior. Any of Lomax, Tungafasi and Tuipolotu are technically senior all blacks though all three have spent more time out of camp due to injury than out of it.

I suppose if any of Groota (Who I could see being pissed off if there’s inconsistency in punishments), Vaii, Clarke or Big Samisoni are kicking up a fuss than you’d think that would carry some weight too given they’ve all been around five seasons or more.

You’d have to think ALB & Reiko are both with Savea on this one too. Doubt Christie is speaking highly of his treatment too. That could be your four players. Maybe throw in Papalii & possibly Groota into the mix as having legitimate concerns and the deck starts looking uncomfortable for Razor. Though by no means impossible.

The real tipping point is if you get a few more players willing to join them. It would only take a few more voices of dissension to make it untenable for Razor or Hansen.

Victor Meldrew

@xman said in All Blacks 2026:

You control the senior players, your job is safe. That’s how Foster stayed when his job was on the line.

Or equally, it's a case of Robertson losing the players. It's all speculation right now - the only thing that rings true is there's clearly a huge problem between the coaching setup and the players

If Savea’s coup fails, then that would be the end of his All Blacks career. No way Robertson would tolerate him. I doubt even the other senior players will trust him. Once the trust is gone, it’s impossible to repair.

Not sure Savea is planning any coup. Seems to me the current camp is dysfunctional to a large degree - it's Robertson's head that's on the block for that.

African Monkey

@xman said in All Blacks 2026:

If all 3 Barrett brothers, Taylor, Jordan, McKenzie backs Robertson but Savea wants him sacked, what does NZR do? Savea would be the odd man out of that senior group. I doubt if less experienced players are dissatisfied that would sway NZR to sack Robertson. Savea alone won’t do it. It will have to be few of the senior players to turn on Robertson. Taylor, Jordan, Scott Barrett are all Crusaders so you would think they remain loyal to him. I’m skeptical the other 2 Barretts would go against their brother. Rieko and ALB are the other senior players but their position in the team is vulnerable.

You control the senior players, your job is safe. That’s how Foster stayed when his job was on the line. I suspect that’s one of the reasons why Robertson chose Scott Barrett as captain and his brother Jordie as vice captain because he couldn’t trust Savea as he was loyal to Foster. If shit hits the fan like now, Savea wouldn’t have the same loyalty. It’s the same in every office environment or politics.

If Savea’s coup fails, then that would be the end of his All Blacks career. No way Robertson would tolerate him. I doubt even the other senior players will trust him. Once the trust is gone, it’s impossible to repair.

The thing about Savea is, is that he is extremely popular with the public. It would be a PR disaster if he was ousted out of all of this.

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