Highlanders v Blues
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@game_film dont know. Didn’t see him all game.
@chchfanatic You ain’t kidding. Just walking out the tunnel
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@chchfanatic said in Highlanders v Blues:
Sotutu showing us all why he’s not in the All blacks. MIA the whole game. Where as Withy was outstanding .
Like most Crusaders fans on here who go missing after their team gets slapped around silly like Friday night.
@African-Monkey we got beaten by a better side. What more do we need to say.
I was talking about a superstar number 8 who did nothing. How good was Simon Parker on Friday night. He’s got to be picked ahead of Sotutu. -
@chchfanatic said in Highlanders v Blues:
Sotutu showing us all why he’s not in the All blacks. MIA the whole game. Where as Withy was outstanding .
Goes missing when the forward pack is not on the front foot is the image of his distractors. Needs to prove them wrong but can't tell in his first outing of the season to be fair..
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Highlanders v Blues:
@chchfanatic said in Highlanders v Blues:
Sotutu showing us all why he’s not in the All blacks. MIA the whole game. Where as Withy was outstanding .
Goes missing when the forward pack is not on the front foot is the image of his distractors. Needs to prove them wrong but can't tell in his first outing of the season to be fair..
I think people are being a little hard on Sotutu, 1st game back- the Blues loosie were certainly shadowed by their opposition last night.
But Sotutu had some nice touches in the 1st 20mins, and seemed busy on defense to me - It appeared to me that he made a lot of tackles or tackle assists. Had hoped he would show up more as a ball runner .. but to be fair none of the Blues forwards did much on that front,
"goes missing when the going gets tough" was certainly the criticism last year... he will only get better and certainly has the ability to impose himself on a game. I hope he does - as competition at #8 is only a good thing as far as the ABs is concerned (and hoping Razor picks on form)
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Highlanders v Blues:
@chchfanatic said in Highlanders v Blues:
Sotutu showing us all why he’s not in the All blacks. MIA the whole game. Where as Withy was outstanding .
Goes missing when the forward pack is not on the front foot is the image of his distractors. Needs to prove them wrong but can't tell in his first outing of the season to be fair..
I think people are being a little hard on Sotutu, 1st game back- the Blues loosie were certainly shadowed by their opposition last night.
But Sotutu had some nice touches in the 1st 20mins, and seemed busy on defense to me - It appeared to me that he made a lot of tackles or tackle assists. Had hoped he would show up more as a ball runner .. but to be fair none of the Blues forwards did much on that front,
"goes missing when the going gets tough" was certainly the criticism last year... he will only get better and certainly has the ability to impose himself on a game. I hope he does - as competition at #8 is only a good thing as far as the ABs is concerned (and hoping Razor picks on form)
@Mattasaurus it's noticeable the voices that are loudest on this front, especially when they're promoting Parker, who was up against bottom of the table dwellers with zero impact .
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Chucked this in the Landers thread, but worth it here as well. All of Hurley's involvement. Two clangers, everything else very good.
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@Dan54 said in Highlanders v Blues:
@Bones said in Highlanders v Blues:
@Dan54 for once I tried reading, but gave up towards the end. Words mean things. As does grammar.
But I sure as shit hope you weren't targeting one player for his leadership when there were several leaders on the field....
F*** grammar, I just hit keys (I used to worry about it as daughter is a grammar nazi, but f*** it)!! No was not targeting one player for anything, my whole point was it was a complete team failure, and yes I do agree whole leadership group let the team down. I mentioned Pat T carrying, because that is(or was) one of Blues strengths I think. They were I think let down by Paps, Ioane, BB etc as part of leadership group .
Sure ok.
@Bones said in Highlanders v Blues:
@Dan54 for once I tried reading, but gave up towards the end. Words mean things. As does grammar.
But I sure as shit hope you weren't targeting one player for his leadership when there were several leaders on the field....
@Bones said in Highlanders v Blues:
@Dan54 said in Highlanders v Blues:
@Bones said in Highlanders v Blues:
@Dan54 for once I tried reading, but gave up towards the end. Words mean things. As does grammar.
But I sure as shit hope you weren't targeting one player for his leadership when there were several leaders on the field....
F*** grammar, I just hit keys (I used to worry about it as daughter is a grammar nazi, but f*** it)!! No was not targeting one player for anything, my whole point was it was a complete team failure, and yes I do agree whole leadership group let the team down. I mentioned Pat T carrying, because that is(or was) one of Blues strengths I think. They were I think let down by Paps, Ioane, BB etc as part of leadership group .
Sure ok.
Redundancy - Repetition of linguistic information inherent in the structure of a language, as singularity in the sentence It works
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@Bones said in Highlanders v Blues:
@Dan54 for once I tried reading, but gave up towards the end. Words mean things. As does grammar.
But I sure as shit hope you weren't targeting one player for his leadership when there were several leaders on the field....
@Bones said in Highlanders v Blues:
@Dan54 said in Highlanders v Blues:
@Bones said in Highlanders v Blues:
@Dan54 for once I tried reading, but gave up towards the end. Words mean things. As does grammar.
But I sure as shit hope you weren't targeting one player for his leadership when there were several leaders on the field....
F*** grammar, I just hit keys (I used to worry about it as daughter is a grammar nazi, but f*** it)!! No was not targeting one player for anything, my whole point was it was a complete team failure, and yes I do agree whole leadership group let the team down. I mentioned Pat T carrying, because that is(or was) one of Blues strengths I think. They were I think let down by Paps, Ioane, BB etc as part of leadership group .
Sure ok.
Redundancy - Repetition of linguistic information inherent in the structure of a language, as singularity in the sentence It works
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I really hate posters who make a big deal about grammar.. Same level as people who think their farts don't stink.
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A few thoughts you have got to give it to the Landers just shows if you stay in the fight even against the best teams you give yourself half a chance going into the closing 20
On saying that the victory will be extra special given Landers had men in the bin
Tavatavanawai was special and inspiring and the longer the game went it seemed to inspire his team mates
Plenty of other hero’s on the night that have already been mentionedAs for the Blues you have got to ask the question on how such a seriously experienced team containing 12 All Blacks could look so flustered with a numerical advantage
Please do me a favour and don’t mention they were missing Akira Ioane , every team has to deal with losing players each year.
Personally the leadership and the game drivers were found wanting .
As for the kicking someone needs to have a serious one on one conversation with Beauden Barrett we have seen this contestable high kick used to poor effect from this talented player far too often over the last few seasons
For me you are better off drilling the ball deep looking for land as opposed to a high kick which just becomes a lotteryThe game plan is so bloody minded that the creatively from the backs has also been found wanting , both AJ Lam and Reiko Ioane are big bodies but in terms of creative thinking there is absolutely nothing there I don’t think you can carry these similar styles in a midfield
Both players don’t have kicking game and don’t think they will develop that skill anytime soonI also think teams have worked the Blues out , last year they bullied everyone with an effective game plan , even watching from an elevated position last weekend against the chiefs I was staggered how narrow their attack was when the forwards were consistently carrying and the backs sitting back far too deep imo
I will say in closing well done to the Landers , hope their supporters can get along because that performance deserved a full house
Credit to the way the team honoured Connor Garden Bachop -
A few thoughts you have got to give it to the Landers just shows if you stay in the fight even against the best teams you give yourself half a chance going into the closing 20
On saying that the victory will be extra special given Landers had men in the bin
Tavatavanawai was special and inspiring and the longer the game went it seemed to inspire his team mates
Plenty of other hero’s on the night that have already been mentionedAs for the Blues you have got to ask the question on how such a seriously experienced team containing 12 All Blacks could look so flustered with a numerical advantage
Please do me a favour and don’t mention they were missing Akira Ioane , every team has to deal with losing players each year.
Personally the leadership and the game drivers were found wanting .
As for the kicking someone needs to have a serious one on one conversation with Beauden Barrett we have seen this contestable high kick used to poor effect from this talented player far too often over the last few seasons
For me you are better off drilling the ball deep looking for land as opposed to a high kick which just becomes a lotteryThe game plan is so bloody minded that the creatively from the backs has also been found wanting , both AJ Lam and Reiko Ioane are big bodies but in terms of creative thinking there is absolutely nothing there I don’t think you can carry these similar styles in a midfield
Both players don’t have kicking game and don’t think they will develop that skill anytime soonI also think teams have worked the Blues out , last year they bullied everyone with an effective game plan , even watching from an elevated position last weekend against the chiefs I was staggered how narrow their attack was when the forwards were consistently carrying and the backs sitting back far too deep imo
I will say in closing well done to the Landers , hope their supporters can get along because that performance deserved a full house
Credit to the way the team honoured Connor Garden Bachop@Steven-Harris said in Highlanders v Blues:
I also think teams have worked the Blues out , last year they bullied everyone with an effective game plan , even watching from an elevated position last weekend against the chiefs I was staggered how narrow their attack was when the forwards were consistently carrying and the backs sitting back far too deep imo
It's interesting you say that because they aren't playing nearly as narrow as they were last year. I was having a rewatch of last year’s game between the Blues and Highlanders in round 2 and it becomes obvious very quickly how different both gameplans are between the 2024 and 2025 Blues.
There was a lot less kicking, more passing and a lot more carrying with the 2024 Blues. The ball would rarely move beyond a 20 metre-radius in the middle of the field during the Blues attack, with a variety of direct carries – pick and go’s, one-out passing, Funaki snipes around the ruck, and short switch-plays – constantly hammering the same point in the Highlanders defence. Some numbers, 2024 first, then 2025, both rd. 2 games against the Highlanders: 20 kicks vs. 29; 210 passes vs. 144; 170 carries vs. 106; a 1:10.5 kick to pass ratio vs. a 1:5 kick to pass ratio.
The effects differed starkly as well: in 2024, with the Blues carrying endlessly through the middle and forcing the Highlanders to make tackle after tackle, the game opened up in the second half as tired defenders started falling off tackles. In contrast, the Highlanders’ defence never looked stretched on Saturday, even after defending for long stretches with only 13 men. The Highlanders had to make 237 tackles in 2024, while they only made 116 in 2025.
I suppose this might look bad but what I suspect what we’ve been seeing these past few weeks is the Blues’ attempt at trying out a potential plan B, one with a kick-heavy focus in an attempt to exploit some of the new laws recently introduced around escorting and so on. It hasn’t worked, clearly. But I presume that at some point in the season, we’ll be seeing a return to the actual 2024 game plan. And personally I don't think that it's been figured out at all.
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If you are going to contestables, they better be contestable against this Landers team.
I thought the absolute worst though was when the Blues tried to run it out and conceded that penalty which took it to 8 points. Absolute lack of patience and understanding that they need field position for their game plan to work.
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@Steven-Harris said in Highlanders v Blues:
I also think teams have worked the Blues out , last year they bullied everyone with an effective game plan , even watching from an elevated position last weekend against the chiefs I was staggered how narrow their attack was when the forwards were consistently carrying and the backs sitting back far too deep imo
It's interesting you say that because they aren't playing nearly as narrow as they were last year. I was having a rewatch of last year’s game between the Blues and Highlanders in round 2 and it becomes obvious very quickly how different both gameplans are between the 2024 and 2025 Blues.
There was a lot less kicking, more passing and a lot more carrying with the 2024 Blues. The ball would rarely move beyond a 20 metre-radius in the middle of the field during the Blues attack, with a variety of direct carries – pick and go’s, one-out passing, Funaki snipes around the ruck, and short switch-plays – constantly hammering the same point in the Highlanders defence. Some numbers, 2024 first, then 2025, both rd. 2 games against the Highlanders: 20 kicks vs. 29; 210 passes vs. 144; 170 carries vs. 106; a 1:10.5 kick to pass ratio vs. a 1:5 kick to pass ratio.
The effects differed starkly as well: in 2024, with the Blues carrying endlessly through the middle and forcing the Highlanders to make tackle after tackle, the game opened up in the second half as tired defenders started falling off tackles. In contrast, the Highlanders’ defence never looked stretched on Saturday, even after defending for long stretches with only 13 men. The Highlanders had to make 237 tackles in 2024, while they only made 116 in 2025.
I suppose this might look bad but what I suspect what we’ve been seeing these past few weeks is the Blues’ attempt at trying out a potential plan B, one with a kick-heavy focus in an attempt to exploit some of the new laws recently introduced around escorting and so on. It hasn’t worked, clearly. But I presume that at some point in the season, we’ll be seeing a return to the actual 2024 game plan. And personally I don't think that it's been figured out at all.
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Well after sleeping on it, (it now halftime in Eng/Scots game. I still think the Clan players/supporters will be over the moon. I still can't think of a Blue's player that went well really. The forward pack looked ok without rolling up sleeves and dominating like I thought they would. Was waiting fot Pat T to just grab ball and do a few carries etc. But I not blaming him(maybe his cataincy), it was a poor team effort especially in last 20, even my wife was asking why are they not just taking advantage of their extra forwards, basically if ever you wanted to play a style they did last year, that last 20 was it.
In the backs I honestly didn't see a good one all night. Christie was Christie (not a huge fan anyway), Plummer for 2nd week was I thought well off pace and already mentally on plane. I already said about midfield, the first time Ioane got ball he decided to throw it forward by about 3-4 metres for some reason, never noticed him after that, and Lam?? Back 3 all struggled I thought, none looked very good to me. So collectively was a poor team performance.
The Clan were great, TT at 12 had a game you dream of. kind of individual performance amongst a very good team effort. Holland was immense especially in second half, was a Sam Whitelock type performance. He was joined by whole pack that went well, the loosies completely Blues supposed top loosies, 3 of them just hunted together. In Backs think Robinson at 10 had another good game, but all were good ,and I just really enjoy that young Finn Hurley, looks like a 3rd former, but plays without fear it seems. All in all as a neutral I loved it, and though it stuffed up my picks I was real happy with result. -
@Mauss I would suggest teams have figured them out , but I will say how does a team with that much experience become so flustered with numerical advantage?
@Steven-Harris said in Highlanders v Blues:
I would suggest teams have figured them out , but I will say how does a team with that much experience become so flustered with numerical advantage?
Their lineout falling apart in the final quarter certainly didn't help. And they kept going to it because their maul had been so dominant earlier in the game.
But when you have a penalty 5 metres from the opposition line, the opposition is defending with 13, they have to put 8 players into an uncontested scrum and your own lineout is struggling? Probably should've gone for the scrum.
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A few thoughts you have got to give it to the Landers just shows if you stay in the fight even against the best teams you give yourself half a chance going into the closing 20
On saying that the victory will be extra special given Landers had men in the bin
Tavatavanawai was special and inspiring and the longer the game went it seemed to inspire his team mates
Plenty of other hero’s on the night that have already been mentionedAs for the Blues you have got to ask the question on how such a seriously experienced team containing 12 All Blacks could look so flustered with a numerical advantage
Please do me a favour and don’t mention they were missing Akira Ioane , every team has to deal with losing players each year.
Personally the leadership and the game drivers were found wanting .
As for the kicking someone needs to have a serious one on one conversation with Beauden Barrett we have seen this contestable high kick used to poor effect from this talented player far too often over the last few seasons
For me you are better off drilling the ball deep looking for land as opposed to a high kick which just becomes a lotteryThe game plan is so bloody minded that the creatively from the backs has also been found wanting , both AJ Lam and Reiko Ioane are big bodies but in terms of creative thinking there is absolutely nothing there I don’t think you can carry these similar styles in a midfield
Both players don’t have kicking game and don’t think they will develop that skill anytime soonI also think teams have worked the Blues out , last year they bullied everyone with an effective game plan , even watching from an elevated position last weekend against the chiefs I was staggered how narrow their attack was when the forwards were consistently carrying and the backs sitting back far too deep imo
I will say in closing well done to the Landers , hope their supporters can get along because that performance deserved a full house
Credit to the way the team honoured Connor Garden Bachop@Steven-Harris said in Highlanders v Blues:
As for the Blues you have got to ask the question on how such a seriously experienced team containing 12 All Blacks could look so flustered with a numerical advantage
Christie is a poor decision maker. You can't give it to Beauden as he'd kick it to a Highlander and they'd probably score.
But it was concerning that they didn't look to have an agreed plan they were sticking to that made sense given the advantage they had.
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@African-Monkey we got beaten by a better side. What more do we need to say.
I was talking about a superstar number 8 who did nothing. How good was Simon Parker on Friday night. He’s got to be picked ahead of Sotutu.@chchfanatic said in Highlanders v Blues:
@African-Monkey we got beaten by a better side. What more do we need to say.
I was talking about a superstar number 8 who did nothing**. How good was Simon Parker on Friday night**. He’s got to be picked ahead of Sotutu.We learnt last year it doesn't matter how good someone is in Super.
You Razor/Tubby Bitch Ryan bootlickers crack me up, defend the non selection of Sotutu based on outstanding form over an entire Super season then denigrate him based on one game, his first game back, and then promote another guy based on one game.
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@Steven-Harris said in Highlanders v Blues:
I would suggest teams have figured them out , but I will say how does a team with that much experience become so flustered with numerical advantage?
Their lineout falling apart in the final quarter certainly didn't help. And they kept going to it because their maul had been so dominant earlier in the game.
But when you have a penalty 5 metres from the opposition line, the opposition is defending with 13, they have to put 8 players into an uncontested scrum and your own lineout is struggling? Probably should've gone for the scrum.
@Mauss one thing I will throw in I suspect this competition looks a lot more even than last year , I thought there were only every 3 teams that were gonna win the comp last year
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Chiming in with my thoughts after deciding to stay off the forum during the game last night.
Just a massive effort from the Landers last night. I’ll be honest, I didn’t expect to win going into the game but I did expect to stay in the fight. Turns out the were well and truly in the fight and beat the crap out of them with 13 men in the end.
Big Jim was unplayable, what an absolute machine and a man who looks very comfortable in the 12 jersey and will only get better with more time there + chemistry with those around him.
Sam Gilbert - quite possibly his best game in a Highlanders jersey. Always in position, great defensively and I thought did quite well dealing with Clarke. Safe under the high ball as well which is something that shouldn’t get overlooked. Stoked for the guy. Earned that 14 jersey for another week.
Hurley - Not many words needed there as everyone else has already covered that.
Fakatava - Did his role and stuck to it, didn’t try to overplay anything and kept the 50/50 balls away. He even said himself after the game he focused on doing his role to help the team and have them in the best position and it showed. Great game from him.
Taine Robinson - Again, another guy who stuck to his role, didn’t overplay anything and looked steady. Hopefully the more he is at 10 the more the confidence grows. Has a solid foundation and he mentioned Tony Brown has been great for him while he’s been there, looking forward to seeing him build.
Whole forward pack were immense.
To lose like they did last week and respond with a game like, down to 13 men for the majority of the last quarter of the game that shows immense character and great attitude. The Jamie Joseph effect is real. Last years team would have lost that game by 20-30 points.
Exciting stuff, only one game but have to enjoy that one. On to Moana next week.
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I can’t believe it! Despite fielding the greatest number 8 known to the history of rugby the blues lost. That’s a very good result for the highlanders.
@Billy-Tell said in Highlanders v Blues:
I can’t believe it! Despite fielding the greatest number 8 known to the history of rugby the blues lost. That’s a very good result for the highlanders.
Don't you mean: Thanks to losing the greatest number 6/8 known to the history of rugby the blues lost.
