AUNZ XV vs British and Irish Lions
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@MajorRage said in AUNZ XV vs British and Irish Lions:
I don't really understand this game. Lions tours are so rare, so hyped up, so talked about and for one of the games they are playing a team no heritage, no pedigree and worst of all, no real selection philosophy other than who isn't in their respective countries first team squads.
I with you Major, seems like a Baabaas game to me, hard to get interested, which is saying something for me. Basically the rugby in Aus struggles for enough depth to find teams to play, so they filling in the gaps. Mind you I didn't get excited about Bok/Baabaa game a couple of weeks back. Just don't find these thrown together teams of players from around world, where I get feeling it's a week on the piss for most of the players as not my thing.
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I find it more interesting than watching the best players from 4 international sides playing against a (depleted) quarter of a single international side. Might even watch it, if it wasn't 3 fucking am.
Lions pretty much are a limited-criteria Baabaas. At least this is a limited-criteria Baabaas vs an even more limited-criteria Baabaas. -
Id be happy if it became a regular for lions tours to either country....give "the other country" some skin in the tour, i like that they kiwis that have missed out on selection get a chance to show off so close to home
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@Kiwiwomble said in AUNZ XV vs British and Irish Lions:
Id be happy if it became a regular for lions tours to either country....give "the other country" some skin in the tour, i like that they kiwis that have missed out on selection get a chance to show off so close to home
If they select players on the fringes of the ABs it gives some opportunity for the AB coaches to see them play quality international opposition
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@Dan54 said in AUNZ XV vs British and Irish Lions:
@MajorRage said in AUNZ XV vs British and Irish Lions:
I don't really understand this game. Lions tours are so rare, so hyped up, so talked about and for one of the games they are playing a team no heritage, no pedigree and worst of all, no real selection philosophy other than who isn't in their respective countries first team squads.
I with you Major, seems like a Baabaas game to me, hard to get interested, which is saying something for me. Basically the rugby in Aus struggles for enough depth to find teams to play, so they filling in the gaps. Mind you I didn't get excited about Bok/Baabaa game a couple of weeks back. Just don't find these thrown together teams of players from around world, where I get feeling it's a week on the piss for most of the players as not my thing.
I get the feeling this week is a bit more serious than a Baabaas week
But proof will be in the pudding on Saturday
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I reckon it's a great idea. And looking at that team it makes me really keen to watch, which is frankly more than I've been for the Lions to take on Super teams without their best 5-7 players.
As for tradition, history etc - Australia only has four Super teams. For a full tour you need to provide 5-7 matches beyond Tests. It's not like we have other rugby teams with history and pedigree just knocking around (well you could reform the Rebels but nobody wants that).
Sure we could roll out a Country side like we did in 2013, but the fun of playing amatuers from the bush wears off pretty quickly as the Lions put on 100+. You could do Australia A, but does that really have any more tradition and prestige than the AUNZ concept? Not really.
Between the AUNZ and the Pacifika/Indigenous side next week, I think RA are trying a few things that may evolve into actual traditions that we can continue in years to come.
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I’m not sure that the Barbarians concept has really transitioned into the professional era and I’m not sure that it can. The original idea, following on from the need to have an extra game to fund The Aussies return (or something), was to tack on an extra, more carefree game to the end of an NH tour. Such tours really don’t happen in the same way anymore. A crowded calendar, player availability, cost has all taken something away from the concept IMO. The Lions on the other hand, has managed to thrive in the pro era, albeit in a more concentrated format.
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@Dan54 said in AUNZ XV vs British and Irish Lions:
@Dodge said in AUNZ XV vs British and Irish Lions:
fair point, I have a romantic memory of '93 (even though there weren't many Kiwis in that side from memory)
Lol Dodge probably because it was '89?
haha, fuck i'm old
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British and Irish Lions:
15 Hugo Keenan, 14 Mack Hansen, 13 Huw Jones, 12 Sione Tuipulotu, 11 Duhan van der Merwe, 10 Fin Smith, 9 Ben White, 8 Ben Earl, 7 Jac Morgan, 6 Henry Pollock, 5 Tadhg Beirne (c), 4 James Ryan, 3 Will Stuart, 2 Luke Cowan-Dickie, 1 Pierre Schoeman
Replacements: 16 Ronan Kelleher, 17 Andrew Porter, 18 Finlay Bealham, 19 Scott Cummings, 20 Josh van der Flier, 21 Alex Mitchell, 22 Marcus Smith, 23 Owen Farrell -
@Daffy-Jaffy said in AUNZ XV vs British and Irish Lions:
British and Irish Lions:
15 Hugo Keenan, 14 Mack Hansen, 13 Huw Jones, 12 Sione Tuipulotu, 11 Duhan van der Merwe, 10 Fin Smith, 9 Ben White, 8 Ben Earl, 7 Jac Morgan, 6 Henry Pollock, 5 Tadhg Beirne (c), 4 James Ryan, 3 Will Stuart, 2 Luke Cowan-Dickie, 1 Pierre Schoeman
Replacements: 16 Ronan Kelleher, 17 Andrew Porter, 18 Finlay Bealham, 19 Scott Cummings, 20 Josh van der Flier, 21 Alex Mitchell, 22 Marcus Smith, 23 Owen FarrellYeah, nah
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@Daffy-Jaffy said in AUNZ XV vs British and Irish Lions:
British and Irish Lions:
15 Hugo Keenan, 14 Mack Hansen, 13 Huw Jones, 12 Sione Tuipulotu, 11 Duhan van der Merwe, 10 Fin Smith, 9 Ben White, 8 Ben Earl, 7 Jac Morgan, 6 Henry Pollock, 5 Tadhg Beirne (c), 4 James Ryan, 3 Will Stuart, 2 Luke Cowan-Dickie, 1 Pierre Schoeman
Replacements: 16 Ronan Kelleher, 17 Andrew Porter, 18 Finlay Bealham, 19 Scott Cummings, 20 Josh van der Flier, 21 Alex Mitchell, 22 Marcus Smith, 23 Owen FarrellFake news.
That can’t be the team, its named the 8 following the 9
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To be honest I really don't think DVDM has done much of anything on this tour so far. Huw Jones very unlucky if he is not picked to start but Ringrose has played well too and I guess if it's pretty even, you go with teh guy you know. Jones has at least had the opportunities to press his case which hasn't always been the case on more recent tours.
Pollock I reckon is seen as a utility back row off the bench and will thrive on game time. I don't see this as a relegation from the test squad and fully expect him to feature at some time in the test 23.
It looks like the famous
versatility of Smith M is working in his favour. Well that and the fact both Daley and Kinghorn are crocked and Keenan is playing like a sack of spuds. Will he be in the test 23 though? Probably not as I think that place will go to Farrell. -
No chance it's going to Farrell, he's barely played and won't even be starting this weekend. Marcus Smith has made every opportunity a winner when introduced from the bench. It's a no brainer.
You are correct re DVDM, but the same applies to many who you can be almost certain will start. Curry probably the biggest standout here.
I expect Pollock off the bench for test 1 but starting by test 3. Kid is a serious serious talent.
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@barbarian said in AUNZ XV vs British and Irish Lions:
well you could reform the Rebels but nobody wants that)
Melbourne rugby fans triggered.
Both of them.
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@MajorRage said in AUNZ XV vs British and Irish Lions:
I guess this is the second stringers as they stand right now.
I hope for the Lions sake that some of them aren’t.
For me Morgan and Tuipoluto need to be in the test squad. Tuipoluto starting as Aki looks far too laboured so far. Morgan has been very good but I know it’s an uphill battle to get in that starting team, he could be good impact off the bench though.
