Wallabies v Lions II
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@game_film said in Wallabies v Lions II:
6-2 split wasn’t tactical. It was an admission.
An admission that our tactics in the first game didn't work?
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@NTA said in Wallabies v Lions II:
Ultimately there is fuck all Uncle Joe can do about this when he's given the cattle we've got, from the systems we've got.
Change the coach to Kiss. Or Larkham. Or me. Won't make a lick of difference.
Implementing a rush defence system was something that he could have done, but never did. They probably would have won the game if they just brought some line speed.
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@antipodean said in Wallabies v Lions II:
@mariner4life said in Wallabies v Lions II:
This ref is appalling.
The Lions are out of control at the ruck
Swimming around clearly offside and flopping off their feet.
Wallabies need to be in the ear of the ref every ruck until he gets the message.
Wallabies are doing the same
Getting pinged in fairness
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@voodoo said in Wallabies v Lions II:
The advantage laws are such a joke
Game turned in the 56th minute
Ref came back for advantage after the Lions had made 40m and then kicked the ball way
Australia cleared their lines but he went back for the penalty
Russell kicked deep
Lions scored
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@Dodge said in Wallabies v Lions II:
Gibson Park not having a great game tonight. Lot of balls behind players etc
Russell too
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@NTA said in Wallabies v Lions II:
Here's the Upset Aussie Fan in me:
Fuck me dead, how do you not find a penalty for the attacking side flying into that ruck with no desire or attempt to keep their feet whatsoever? Are we just throwing player safety out the window now? Not a fucking chance in hell Morgan was looking to do anything but seal off and take out the jackal while he was at it.
Fuck me dead, how did Genge win penalties at scrum time with his elbow pointing toward the ground? Open your fucking eyes ref - he couldn't win legally so he just fucking dropped it and you chickened the fuck out.
Where's the fucking medical staff looking at Conan after he could barely get back to his fucking feet early in the game? Do your fucking jobs, you fluffybunnies.
Can’t argue with any of that
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@MiketheSnow said in Wallabies v Lions II:
@Dodge said in Wallabies v Lions II:
Gibson Park not having a great game tonight. Lot of balls behind players etc
Russell too
I'll claim that as being a representation of my profound call they're a bad mix.
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@Bones said in Wallabies v Lions II:
@MiketheSnow said in Wallabies v Lions II:
@Dodge said in Wallabies v Lions II:
Gibson Park not having a great game tonight. Lot of balls behind players etc
Russell too
I'll claim that as being a representation of my profound call they're a bad mix.
I felt he went missing
Armchair ride he looks fantastic, hard scrabble = passenger
Lots of criticism flung at Lynagh but when the Aussie forwards were on top it was he who looked like the seasoned professional, not Russell
5 years from now they won’t be in the same sentence except as a starting point
What do you think MN5?
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@MiketheSnow yeah I thought Lynagh looked at home. I'd take him in the ABs just for the kicking from hand. Actually.... reminds me of Plummer.
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The problem with that ruck penalty at the end is that it 'should' be a penalty. Lions player comes charging in, head below hips, no intention to do anything but seal off the ball. It's what they are coached to do. Smashes head and neck area of the jackler.
But, this cleanout happens dozens of times a game and the refs just watch it happen. It's bloody hard to then penalise when you do hit someone in a marginal area. And this daylights one of the other problems with rugby - the contest fo rthe ball at the ruck lasts about a nanosecond and then it's over. There is no wrestling or driving over in any meaningful way - so the outcome is this.
And as for the jumping over players to get to the line, well. Rugby goes for performative safety theatre - it's not actually about safely, it's about the appearance of safety.
It sucks, because it sounds like otherwise a really fun game to watch.
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@Dan54 said in Wallabies v Lions II:
Personally, I thought if that was a penalty, there were probably plenty in every game. The only answer, outlaw the jackler, if he putting himself in dangerous position and you can't clean him out, take him out of game.
And you have to reset the competition for the ball - how do yo uget it back if you don't allow jackling?
Remember the ELV? They tried to go back to a 'on your feet at the ruck' mindset, but it was a muddled mess.
Two things:
- Professionalism hasn't been good for the game at the top level. Increasing speed, weight and power makes this a brutal combat sport with byzantine laws. Lower levels are far more fun to watch (and probably play).
- I still blame the ELV for us dropping a home test against France in 2009 at Carisbrook. We played all the Super under one set of laws and then tried to come up to speed for a test match undre a totally different set. Suuuuuuuck.
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@nzzp I see it different, looked like a legit ruck clearance to me. One that happens at every ruck multiple times. If you're gonna double over to try and get the ball, someone's going to try and smoke you. Flying out holding the sniper's bullet from a very minor head contact should always get short thrift.
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@Bones said in Wallabies v Lions II:
looked like a legit ruck clearance to me
It kind of is, the way the game gets reffed these days.
Q: do you think that is safe?
Also, check out the first video WR use as an example of dangerous cleanout. Brushes the head - no arms etc. And the third cleanout as well - again, probably not hitting the head but interestingly similar to the game last night.
tl;dr inconsistency all over the place, it's a feature of
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@nzzp said in Wallabies v Lions II:
The problem with that ruck penalty at the end is that it 'should' be a penalty. Lions player comes charging in, head below hips, no intention to do anything but seal off the ball. It's what they are coached to do. Smashes head and neck area of the jackler.
A decade or more ago he'd have been penalised for not attempting to stay on his feet. But it's many years since the referees consistently enforced that one.
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@Bones said in Wallabies v Lions II:
@nzzp I see it different, looked like a legit ruck clearance to me. One that happens at every ruck multiple times. If you're gonna double over to try and get the ball, someone's going to try and smoke you. Flying out holding the sniper's bullet from a very minor head contact should always get short thrift.
Looking at it again it wasn't even a ruck. Still only a tackle when Morgan arrives because Morgan is the first Lions player there.
