Wallabies vs Lions III
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Weather looks like shit across Sydney for Saturday BTW. No club rugby for me so might head west of the mountains and go camping
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Would have thought Porter had been penalised out of the game by now. Genge is also dodgy af at scrum time
@brodean said in Wallabies vs Lions III:
Would have thought Porter had been penalised out of the game by now. Genge is also dodgy af at scrum time
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@brodean said in Wallabies vs Lions III:
Would have thought Porter had been penalised out of the game by now. Genge is also dodgy af at scrum time
Difficult to see really whether that collapse was caused by hinging or the Aussie prop losing his footing.
An interesting aside, something someone posted prior to the last test was that this Italian ref likes to re-set and gives very few scrum penalties. If that is well known then of course ALL props are going to push things.
If it works out, well... why not?
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Apparently these guys have the sauce
Canāt see it myself
Iām thinking
Genge, Sheehan, Furlong
Itoje, McCarthy (if fit) / Chessum
Beirne, Curry, ConanJGP, Russell
Tuipolotu, Ringrose
Lowe, Keenan, FreemanReplacements
LCD, Porter, Stuart
Chessum/Ryan, MorganMitchell, Farrell, Kinghorn
His focus now that heās won the series is to include as many Irish in the match day 23 and if they get the whitewash Ireland have momentum going into the Autumn tests
Tough schedule
01 Nov v NZ in Chicago
08 Nov v Japan in Dublin
15 Nov v Australia in Dublin
22 Nov v S Africa in Dublin -
@NTA said in Wallabies vs Lions III:
Weather looks like shit across Sydney for Saturday.
Scottish, Irish, Welsh and the boys from the North of England will feel right at home then.
@sparky said in Wallabies vs Lions III:
@NTA said in Wallabies vs Lions III:
Weather looks like shit across Sydney for Saturday.
Scottish, Irish, Welsh and the boys from the North of England will feel right at home then.
Like... really shit....
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@brodean said in Wallabies vs Lions III:
Would have thought Porter had been penalised out of the game by now. Genge is also dodgy af at scrum time
@pakman said in Wallabies vs Lions III:
In that same thread, thereās an interesting overhead view of the first scrum penalty against the Wallabies, with a lot of people again focusing on Porterās boring in. But when you slow it down and focus just on the actions of the Wallaby pack, then Iād argue the main issue is their faulty timing.
Alaalatoa is a split second ahead of his fellow front-rowers but this split second ripples through the entire pack. Most importantly, the second row loses their connection with the front row, Skelton falling to one knee and Frost being in a diagonal position, leaving both unable to get a decent push on. Furthermore, Wilson detaches almost immediately at the back.
As a result, the togetherness of the Wallaby pack is severely compromised, which the Lions forwards sense and exploit by attacking as a collective. And while Porter is scrumming at an angle, Iād say that, on the whole, the Lions pack shows more cohesion and power in a forward direction.
As the former Wallaby prop Topo Rodriguez writes in his book, Rugby: The Art of Scrummaging (2015, revised ed.), āThe necessary timing canāt be achieved if the scrum operates in two sections [...], it has to be the whole eight thinking, acting and reacting as one (89)." Mike Cron wouldāve not been pleased, I imagine.
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I'd say it's more to do with the second row bind and Wilson's failure to pull them in tight.
Look at the huge gap behind the hooker - Alaatoa's early hit is a consequence, not a cause IMHO
@NTA said in Wallabies vs Lions III:
Alaatoa's early hit is a consequence, not a cause IMHO
I'd agree with that. I suppose what I'm trying to say is that the timing and togetherness of the Wallaby pack as a whole was off, rather than just pointing the finger at Porter for angling in.
I don't understand enough of the mechanics of the scrum to really pinpoint a single point of origin, so I'll leave that to the expertise of others.
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I'd say it's more to do with the second row bind and Wilson's failure to pull them in tight.
Look at the huge gap behind the hooker - Alaatoa's early hit is a consequence, not a cause IMHO
@NTA said in Wallabies vs Lions III:
I'd say it's more to do with the second row bind and Wilson's failure to pull them in tight.
Look at the huge gap behind the hooker - Alaatoa's early hit is a consequence, not a cause IMHO
From the overhead it doesn't even look like Wilson has a shoulder driving through the arse of the locks.
Doesn't help that Porter still clearly drives through on the angle.
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Two observations from me.
- As Iāve noticed in a few other overhead shots form game, Porter hardly has Chessumās left shoulder on his huge arse, but Beirneās right one is rammed in hard. There is no attempt to scrum straight so penalty for me. Vincent Koch is quite similar at TH;
- Other thing which strikes me is that Sheehan has Porter shoulders behind his armpits, so his shoulders may be 6 inches ahead. When AAA engages there is nothing for his right shoulder to contact so he inevitably shoots forward on the hit, which seems to disrupt his connection with Porecki and also Skeltonās by the look of it.
No idea of the legality of Lions approach in this aspect.
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Interesting that overhead shot, whole Wallaby pack seem to be going to right trying to wheel scrum? Wilson is pushing Skelton's arse out, causing whole scrum to twist(I suspect to take Lions hooker away from ball?). And other Wallaby lock is turning hooker almost sideways, not sure why. Porter also ends up going in as well, whether to follow Aus tighthead or not is beyond me. Very interesting to see, and gives idea how scrum try and manipulate each other.
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