Springboks v Argentina Twickenham
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@Billy-Webb Jan Hendrik Wessels isn't a good measure for any TH. Now it was Ox I will agree.
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@OomPB said in Springboks v Argentina Twickenham:
@Billy-Webb Jan Hendrik Wessels isn't a good measure for any TH. Now it was Ox I will agree.
I agree with you - up to a point Oom. Wessels hasn't impressed me (yet).
But the reality is he has been picked as a Bok, so he can't be all that bad? (Despite my misgivings).
And he did get owned by Rapetti in the scrums a good few times. -
Bit annoying the Argies gave up home advantage to play at Twickenham, which almost gave the boks another home match if you look at the make up of the crowd.
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@DaGrubster said in Springboks v Argentina Twickenham:
Bit annoying the Argies gave up home advantage to play at Twickenham, which almost gave the boks another home match if you look at the make up of the crowd.
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@MiketheSnow said in Springboks v Argentina Twickenham:
@DaGrubster said in Springboks v Argentina Twickenham:
Bit annoying the Argies gave up home advantage to play at Twickenham, which almost gave the boks another home match if you look at the make up of the crowd.
Oh i know the reasons. Still annoying that it gave the boks an easier match than flying to argentina in front of an Argentinean crowd.
I can see that they did it for player welfare as most argies will be heading back to Europe to their clubs.
Easier flight to London and then a short one as opposed to sa to BA, Ba to London.
Still, TRC has a huge asterisk for me due to the boks not having had to play their full compliment of away matches
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@DaGrubster *****
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@DaGrubster said in Springboks v Argentina Twickenham:
@MiketheSnow said in Springboks v Argentina Twickenham:
@DaGrubster said in Springboks v Argentina Twickenham:
Bit annoying the Argies gave up home advantage to play at Twickenham, which almost gave the boks another home match if you look at the make up of the crowd.
Oh i know the reasons. Still annoying that it gave the boks an easier match than flying to argentina in front of an Argentinean crowd.
I can see that they did it for player welfare as most argies will be heading back to Europe to their clubs.
Easier flight to London and then a short one as opposed to sa to BA, Ba to London.
Still, TRC has a huge asterisk for me due to the boks not having had to play their full compliment of away matches
There were probably more AB fans in Perth than Australian. Asterisk my ass.
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@W32 are you disputing that teams have better home records than away?
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@No-Quarter said in Springboks v Argentina Twickenham:
@W32 are you disputing that teams have better home records than away?
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make since the boks did not play this game at home.
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@W32 are you being obtuse lol, Argentina have a much better record at home, ergo not having to play them in front of their home crowd benefits SA. Don't worry, I still think SA were the best team and deserved to win the RC, but history clearly shows that final game would have been tougher if played in Argentina.
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@No-Quarter said in Springboks v Argentina Twickenham:
@W32 are you being obtuse lol, Argentina have a much better record at home, ergo not having to play them in front of their home crowd benefits SA. Don't worry, I still think SA were the best team and deserved to win the RC, but history clearly shows that final game would have been tougher if played in Argentina.
How do you figure the ABs winning there and then losing at home? The boks managed to beat them (Argentina) even though they played pretty badly. It used to be said on these forums that the boks would never win a WC away from home, and yet here we are with three more . Nowadays it’s more about which team shows up than home advantage. Especially true for this rugby championship
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A quick glance shows:
Argentina vs SA in Argentina
Played 20, won 3, drawn 1, lost 16.Argentina vs SA in SA
Played 20, won 1, lost 19These stats will be the same for ALL teams, even more extreme when it comes to the Tier 1 nations who are very hard to beat at home, but even with Argentina only having 4 wins and a draw in their history against SA, 4 of those 5 matches were in Argentina.
This is such a silly argument, and I am quite taken aback that you think home ground advantage doesn't count for anything. It does, across all sports, not just rugby. Winning in the enemies back yard is what it's all about.
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@No-Quarter said in Springboks v Argentina Twickenham:
A quick glance shows:
Argentina vs SA in Argentina
Played 20, won 3, drawn 1, lost 16.Argentina vs SA in SA
Played 20, won 1, lost 19These stats will be the same for ALL teams, even more extreme when it comes to the Tier 1 nations who are very hard to beat at home, but even with Argentina only having 4 wins and a draw in their history against SA, 4 of those 5 matches were in Argentina.
This is such a silly argument, and I am quite taken aback that you think home ground advantage doesn't count for anything. It does, across all sports, not just rugby. Winning in the enemies back yard is what it's all about.
It’s about as silly an argument as saying the boks won the RC with a caveat..
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Well the caveat is that they didn't have to play two games in Argentina, they got to play one of those on neutral soil.
For the ABs upcoming northern tour, if they win the grand slam, they will have the same caveat - that they didn't have to play Ireland in Ireland which makes it a bit easier for them.
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There is one team of which it doesn't matter whether they play at home or away.
And we know which one that is.I didn't check; but I think they have a winning record against everyone away, except one team.
And they'd have a winning record against that particular team also, if they hadn't had to put up with dog cheat home referees for a century or so.
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@mohikamo said in Springboks v Argentina Twickenham:
There is one team of which it doesn't matter whether they play at home or away.
And we know which one that is.I didn't check; but I think they have a winning record against everyone away, except one team.
And they'd have a winning record against that particular team also, if they hadn't had to put up with dog cheat home referees for a century or so.
It’s a tough world mate. I heard that nzedders are drinking tea out of glasses because all the cups are in South Africa… is that true?
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@W32 said in Springboks v Argentina Twickenham:
@mohikamo said in Springboks v Argentina Twickenham:
There is one team of which it doesn't matter whether they play at home or away.
And we know which one that is.I didn't check; but I think they have a winning record against everyone away, except one team.
And they'd have a winning record against that particular team also, if they hadn't had to put up with dog cheat home referees for a century or so.
It’s a tough world mate. I heard that nzedders are drinking tea out of glasses because all the cups are in South Africa… is that true?
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Besides, most of those recent wins that the AB’s had over the bokke were due to their Australian cousins who supplied the refs for the tri nations tests in Australasia and South Africa. Not to mention the unfair travel schedule that had the South Africans living out of their suitcases for months
