Ireland v Wallabies 2025
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@sparky said in Ireland v Wallabies 2025:
@Jet Super Rugby is vastly inferior preparation for Test Rugby these days than top European club Rugby.
Agreed and that's mainly because we are the last two nations who want to play a brand of running Rugby
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@sparky said in Ireland v Wallabies 2025:
@NTA England run it a lot, so do France, so do South Africa.
Once their forwards have the ascendancy or after a kick.
I'm not saying we're more highly skilled - clearly the Wallabies aren't - but we don't do forward attrition as well
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Narratives are a crazy thing. Many All Blacks fans would tell you how good a job Joe Schmidt is doing, but since winning at Ellis Park, the Wallabies have won 2 of 9, with one of those being a limp dick win over Japan. Realistically his reign ends with eight losses in ten...
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@NTA said in Ireland v Wallabies 2025:
@sparky said in Ireland v Wallabies 2025:
@Jet Super Rugby is vastly inferior preparation for Test Rugby these days than top European club Rugby.
Agreed and that's mainly because we are the last two nations who want to play a brand of running Rugby
Razor gave the game away last week in his post match presser (or maybe it was Chicago)...he said something like we are trying to find ways to improve the speed and get fatigue back in our game.
As in , we want the refs to speed it up because we want to throw it around as we dont have Ox Nche and Jasper Wiese in our squad.
Now while I agree with him in principle, he (we) NZ and Australia, need to play the game we are in, not the game we think we should be playing.
It's why Tupea and Leicester in midfield worked with little or no practise. Up the jumper running hard.
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Feel a bit for the Wallabies i think this has been a massive season for them especially with the Lions series
There players looked cooked
I dont think having players come and go has’nt helped (Skelton ,Ikitau and O’Connor) not to mention losing some key guys to season ending injuires like Noah Lelesio ,Tom Lynah and Tom Wright -
@frugby said in Ireland v Wallabies 2025:
Narratives are a crazy thing. Many All Blacks fans would tell you how good a job Joe Schmidt is doing, but since winning at Ellis Park, the Wallabies have won 2 of 9, with one of those being a limp dick win over Japan. Realistically his reign ends with eight losses in ten...
Yeah, he and his team have been incredibly disappointing since their victory over Argentina this year. Looking back, Rennie was the man to take the Wallabies forward. He was finally starting to get them back on track and paid a heavy price for playing a B team against Italy. Big mistake by RA to get rid of him when they did.
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@Steven-Harris said in Ireland v Wallabies 2025:
Feel a bit for the Wallabies i think this has been a massive season for them especially with the Lions series
There players looked cookedMost of the players have less than 10 Tests this year, and not all of them played a full season of super rugby.
The fact is we're not hard enough because our guys don't get enough hard rugby from 14 onwards.
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@akan004 said in Ireland v Wallabies 2025:
Looking back, Rennie was the man to take the Wallabies forward. He was finally starting to get them back on track and paid a heavy price for playing a B team against Italy. Big mistake by RA to get rid of him when they did.
I agree with this. We would have had a much better showing at RWC2023 if Rennie was still there. Hooper would have been in the mix for example.
Eddie set fire to everything he built, and Joe simply put out the flames and got it back to something creditable. We lost almost 24 months to Eddie and fuckwits like Hamish McLennan, and probably lost a lot of players during that time.
However, Joe is trying to coach a squad that is at the tail end of Eddie's damage and a system that is utterly useless for preparing bodies for competitve sport.
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@NTA said in Ireland v Wallabies 2025:
@sparky said in Ireland v Wallabies 2025:
@Jet Super Rugby is vastly inferior preparation for Test Rugby these days than top European club Rugby.
Agreed and that's mainly because we are the last two nations who want to play a brand of running Rugby
What absolute shit
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@MiketheSnow not at all.
We still think Test rugby can be won by flashy back play alone. For years Wallabies forward packs have sought near-partiy in order to unleash what were our awesome backlines. There are still Aussies on the other forum today mouthing the words "running rugby" ffs. In between calling for the Force to be cut because all our good shit in the pro era happened when we had 3 teams.
Forest. Trees.
The All Blacks, for all their dominance, have had some of the worst lineouts in the top tier and generally aren't as big as their opposition, relying on skills and fitness to run rampant. I go on and on about Beauden Barrett Bullshit Bounces, but I'm fucking right.
That isn't the game any more at Test level, and we're not prepared for it because Super Rugby isn't preparing us for it.
In Australia, we don't pay our tight five forwards enough to start, because we're too busy trying to keep our backs away from league.
Those backs don't grow up with a multi-facted development because league skills - catch and pass - are enough in our development systems. Tactical kicking is an afterthought. For years now both sides have entertained guys with pop gun boots in our lineups, and let people go who have carved out very successful careers in Europe. Well-paid professionals in the home of Aussie Fucking Rules can't take a high ball with confidence.
And it isn't the size of the bodies - it's the execution. Kolbe doesn't have any issues and I've taken shits bigger than him.
James Lowe - for all his dickheadery - is a gun player in the irish backline. He got to the Maori ABs, then headed overseas because he wasn't going to make the ABs. He tore shit up for Leinster and has a boot most wingers could use.
Look at JGP. Fk me there are Kiwis on this very forum praising his box kicks. And Kiwis fucking
hate box kicks Partly this is due to South Africa's exist - NZ in particularly don't have big bodies to come up against and learn from. They can beat Aussies with a higher skill ceiling and better technical work, but that's hardly sharpening iron with iron. Most of those blokes would find fully pro Aussies on par with semipro NPC sides.
Partly it is due to the erosion of the development pathways in both countries. I said above that big schools are hoovering up talent and smaller schools can't even get on the park any more. That has a negative effect on the ecosystem as the base shrinks so the pyramid gets narrower.
It only ends in one place.
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My comment was leveled at 'there are only two teams who want to play running rugby'
Both NZ and Aus kick the leather off the ball too
And other teams run the ball every sensible opportunity they get
