Bokke vs Wales
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I'm no lawyer, but the 'justification' of retaliating to an earlier offense isn't the smartest.
That would make the retaliation premeditated and deliberate.
And worthy of greater censure.
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He's the Cyril Gane of rugby
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@MiketheSnow said in Bokke vs Wales:
I'm no lawyer, but the 'justification' of retaliating to an earlier offense isn't the smartest.
That would make the retaliation premeditated and deliberate.
And worthy of greater censure.
Not a lawyer either. Etsebeth is prone to over the top reaction to being provoked as has been shown many times. Being slapped and or punched in the face right before he retaliated is hardly pre meditated. Certainly these over the top, but what have been harmless reactions up until this point will not help him … I wouldn’t think.
Anyway, sour end to an acceptable season for the good guys.
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@sparky said in Bokke vs Wales:
Only mitigations for me are that it is Etzebeth's first red card and the Springboks have apologised unreservedly for the incident.
The team apologising isn't a mitigation.
@W32 said in Bokke vs Wales:
Eben has always been prone to over the top reaction. Too bad, that he didn’t just punch the guy out. Dumb dumb dumb. The result will probably be that the instigator will get away scott free.
Waiting patiently for this footage of an instigator.
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@antipodean said in Bokke vs Wales:
@sparky said in Bokke vs Wales:
Only mitigations for me are that it is Etzebeth's first red card and the Springboks have apologised unreservedly for the incident.
The team apologising isn't a mitigation.
@W32 said in Bokke vs Wales:
Eben has always been prone to over the top reaction. Too bad, that he didn’t just punch the guy out. Dumb dumb dumb. The result will probably be that the instigator will get away scott free.
Waiting patiently for this footage of an instigator.
It was widely talked about on different forums. Google is your friend.
We will know soon enough though.
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@W32 said in Bokke vs Wales:
@antipodean said in Bokke vs Wales:
@sparky said in Bokke vs Wales:
Only mitigations for me are that it is Etzebeth's first red card and the Springboks have apologised unreservedly for the incident.
The team apologising isn't a mitigation.
@W32 said in Bokke vs Wales:
Eben has always been prone to over the top reaction. Too bad, that he didn’t just punch the guy out. Dumb dumb dumb. The result will probably be that the instigator will get away scott free.
Waiting patiently for this footage of an instigator.
It was widely talked about on different forums. Google is your friend.
Which different forums? forum.springboksarethebestestandebendidnothingwrong.com?
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@W32 said in Bokke vs Wales:
@Dan54 said in Bokke vs Wales:
I personally would be happy if Esteben was finished as a rugby player after this. Just stupidity of highest order, and I see nothing to gained from seeing him on rugby field again.
Worth noting that in .. something like 140 tests he has never had a red card. Not condoning his actions today, but he is not a dirty player. A moment of madness.
You have a go at someone's eye you are a dirty player. Doesn't matter you wore white underwear on the outside, a cape, and a "Peace Bro!" armband for 139 tests.
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@W32 I haven't seen anything in the images I have seen to show he was gouged himself, unless the Welsh player had double jointed fingers, in fact the image used looks worse for Eben in that he has his elbow in the throat and could even be biting (although no accusation to that have been made so it isnt what the image has potential to show)
Plenty of "no excuse, but he was provoked" bs out there.
Sad really, both for the game and potentially the way for a Saffa great to end his career.
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@sparky said in Bokke vs Wales:
When you look at this video, it seems amazing that it was Etzebeth's first red card.
Just likes straightening out the wrinkles on collars. Typical manservant with OCD.
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Let’s be fair, Mann rattled the cage and got a reaction
Mann flicked a hand at Eben’s jaw after it had seemingly all quietened down
Then Eben lost it
Big time
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@MiketheSnow said in Bokke vs Wales:
Let’s be fair, Mann rattled the cage and got a reaction
Mann flicked a hand at Eben’s jaw after it had seemingly all quietened down
Then Eben lost it
Big time
Whatever set him off, it clearly wasn't any action at the ruck otherwise he'd have done it immediately.
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i didnt see the game , was going to have a look at the highlights but saw the scoreline somewhere else and didnt bother ,
now this stuff has blown up everywhere ,
i like Eben , great player , yeah bit of a hothead but seems like a good bloke off the field
gone a bit too far this time unfortunately for him , you would imagine they will make an example of him , otherwise next time player x will say eben only got this penalty
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@antipodean said in Bokke vs Wales:
@MiketheSnow said in Bokke vs Wales:
Let’s be fair, Mann rattled the cage and got a reaction
Mann flicked a hand at Eben’s jaw after it had seemingly all quietened down
Then Eben lost it
Big time
Whatever set him off, it clearly wasn't any action at the ruck otherwise he'd have done it immediately.
That’s where it started
Eben came in with an elbow
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@MiketheSnow said in Bokke vs Wales:
This match was part of a two match deal with SA which was brokered pre-Covid
Yes, it was a a beating.
Yes, we’re really poor at the moment.
But like all things sport there’s a lot of recency bias in the aftermath of this drubbing.
A far better Welsh team than the one which played yesterday had an even bigger hiding in Pretoria in 1998
June 1999 - almost exact one year to the day - Wales recorded their first ever win over SA
Perhaps lightning will strike twice
And Rassie played in both matches
It's worth remembering (when wanting to rip WRU in pieces), that this game was meant to be played in 2020 and a little thing called covid killed it, then 2021, ditto with covid. And if Wales hadn't played the test they stood to have to pay SARU $1m.
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@nostrildamus said in Bokke vs Wales:
@W32 said in Bokke vs Wales:
@Dan54 said in Bokke vs Wales:
I personally would be happy if Esteben was finished as a rugby player after this. Just stupidity of highest order, and I see nothing to gained from seeing him on rugby field again.
Worth noting that in .. something like 140 tests he has never had a red card. Not condoning his actions today, but he is not a dirty player. A moment of madness.
You have a go at someone's eye you are a dirty player. Doesn't matter you wore white underwear on the outside, a cape, and a "Peace Bro!" armband for 139 tests.
Reports are that the panel is split on Etsedeths ban. Some say intentional, others accidental. Happy that they are not immediately calling for his head.
You are assuming he went for the eye intentionally. -
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