Chiefs v Blues
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This is what I meant before. Yes, stupid act but very good chance that last year it wouldn't have got more than 10 minutes. By raising the on field punishment to a RC it means it goes to the judicial lottery and results in a massive leap in time off.
I get the whole 'protect the head' thing, I just think that this is either a massive over reach or that previously no one cared. That's the punishment gulf indication anyway. -
I do think all things being equal the punishment is harsh.
However - there was absolutely no need for what he did - late high and completely off the ball. He wasnt unlucky - it was a complete brain snap.
I just hope it doesnt mean players are going to dive etc.
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Bullshit. If he wasn't leaving the country he would have got 2
@mariner4life said in Chiefs v Blues:
Bullshit. If he wasn't leaving the country he would have got 2
The off-topic section has a conspiracy theories thread...
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The severity of the sanction is entirely due to the definition of a dangerous tackle from the 3rd of January. The type of tackle for which Luatua was sent off is considered a dangerous tackle since that date. The World Rugby Lawbook literally says that "A dangerous tackle which results in a strike to the head shall result in at least a mid-range entry point sanction." (Law No. 10.4(e)) The mid-range penalty for dangerous tackles is 6 weeks. That's World Rugby legislation. SANZAAR has to apply that law. No room for conspiracy theories here.
I bet Luatua has shown early remorse and apologised, and I assume he has a reasonably clean sheet, which will have led to a two week deduction. Result: four weeks.
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The severity of the sanction is entirely due to the definition of a dangerous tackle from the 3rd of January. The type of tackle for which Luatua was sent off is considered a dangerous tackle since that date. The World Rugby Lawbook literally says that "A dangerous tackle which results in a strike to the head shall result in at least a mid-range entry point sanction." (Law No. 10.4(e)) The mid-range penalty for dangerous tackles is 6 weeks. That's World Rugby legislation. SANZAAR has to apply that law. No room for conspiracy theories here.
I bet Luatua has shown early remorse and apologised, and I assume he has a reasonably clean sheet, which will have led to a two week deduction. Result: four weeks.
@Stargazer said in Chiefs v Blues:
The severity of the sanction is entirely due to the definition of a dangerous tackle from the 3rd of January. The type of tackle for which Luatua was sent off is considered a dangerous tackle since that date. The World Rugby Lawbook literally says that "A dangerous tackle which results in a strike to the head shall result in at least a mid-range entry point sanction." (Law No. 10.4(e)) The mid-range penalty for dangerous tackles is 6 weeks. That's World Rugby legislation. SANZAAR has to apply that law. No room for conspiracy theories here.
I bet Luatua has shown early remorse and apologised, and I assume he has a reasonably clean sheet, which will have led to a two week deduction. Result: four weeks.
Yep, that all makes sense. No conspiracy, just that the definition change has resulted in some instances rising from a 10 minute spell to a RC and baseline 4 weeks. That's a crazy jump in definition of dangerous.
It's the equivalent of dropping drink driving thresholds to minimal levels so someone that was previously considered worthy of a word of warning for being just under the limit is now banned from driving. -
Going to be a lot of players having holidays if that's the standard.
Nobody to blame but himself, but I'm willing to bet we won't see consistency for this sort of thing.
@Kirwan You got that right!
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@Stargazer said in Chiefs v Blues:
The severity of the sanction is entirely due to the definition of a dangerous tackle from the 3rd of January. The type of tackle for which Luatua was sent off is considered a dangerous tackle since that date. The World Rugby Lawbook literally says that "A dangerous tackle which results in a strike to the head shall result in at least a mid-range entry point sanction." (Law No. 10.4(e)) The mid-range penalty for dangerous tackles is 6 weeks. That's World Rugby legislation. SANZAAR has to apply that law. No room for conspiracy theories here.
I bet Luatua has shown early remorse and apologised, and I assume he has a reasonably clean sheet, which will have led to a two week deduction. Result: four weeks.
Yep, that all makes sense. No conspiracy, just that the definition change has resulted in some instances rising from a 10 minute spell to a RC and baseline 4 weeks. That's a crazy jump in definition of dangerous.
It's the equivalent of dropping drink driving thresholds to minimal levels so someone that was previously considered worthy of a word of warning for being just under the limit is now banned from driving.@Crucial I agree. What's important too is whether the ref considers contact with the head accidental (minimum sanction: penalty) or reckless (minimum YC, maximum RC), but even then, I assume the Citing Commissioner will be able to cite a player if he doesn't agree with the ref's assessment that a tackle is 'only' accidental. It's here where the inconsistencies may come in. You can also count on it that you're more likely to get red in the NH than in the SH.
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Here is the summary:
The SANZAAR Foul Play Review Committee of Nigel Hampton QC (Chairman), Stefan Terblanche and John Langford assessed the case.
In his finding, Foul Play Review Committee Chairman Nigel Hampton QC ruled the following:
“Having conducted a detailed review of all the available evidence, including all camera angles and additional evidence, including from the Player and submissions from his legal representative, Aaron Lloyd, the Foul Play Review Committee upheld the red-carding of the Player under Law 10.4(e) Dangerous tackling of an Opponent”
“With respect to sanction the Foul Play Review Committee deemed the act of foul play merited a mid range entry point of 6 weeks. However, taking into account mitigating factors including the Player’s early admission of guilt and his remorse for his actions, the Foul Play Review Committee reduced the suspension by 2 weeks.”
“The player is therefore suspended for 4 weeks, up to and including Saturday 1 April 2017.”
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Why should the Blues be made to pay for what was ultimately Luatua's own reckless stupidity?
@Crash said in Chiefs v Blues:
Why should the Blues be made to pay for what was ultimately Luatua's own reckless stupidity?
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So you feel bans should be discontinued because it punishes the team.
No doubt you vote greens too.
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A lot of people believe Luatua's card cost the Blues the game. If that's the case then the onfield punishment was massive for the whole organisation. I wish they would take the punishment already dished out when handing out the ban.
@Milk said in Chiefs v Blues:
A lot of people believe Luatua's card cost the Blues the game. If that's the case then the onfield punishment was massive for the whole organisation. I wish they would take the punishment already dished out when handing out the ban.
I agree with the sentiment but that adds whole new levels of subjectivity around the effect on the game and another level of unfairness depending on when in the game an offence occurred
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I dont have a problem with Luatuas card given the new law,
But have concerns at what point they draw the line as to who stays on the field in the near future ,
I can imagine a send off in a really big game happening soon such as a lions test in a nothing incident that will probably ruin the game ,
That worrys me
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Why should the Blues be made to pay for what was ultimately Luatua's own reckless stupidity?
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its more the fans I feel for when a RC is issued early in a match that effectively ruins the contest, they pay money to watch the game and it is then for all intents and purposes ruined...but we don't wanna end up in a situation where the public turned against David Beckham all those years ago either
