Chiefs vs Hurricanes
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I was surprised he didn't see a red to start with but to equate this 'tackle' with Luatua's is lazy journalism. Yes they both contravened the same law and fall under the same tougher guidelines but they are totally different.
Luatua hit a player without the ball with a swinging arm and made contact with the head. Even taking away the head contact there were factors of being off the ball and dangerous (the swinging arm).
Leitch made a tackle on a ball carrier where he didn't take due care to ensure that there wasn't head contact. He executed a legal act illegally (if that makes sense).
He will cop a ban but I would think that the entry level criteria is different in a number of factors to Luatua's (mid level) and enough to drop it to Low (2 weeks). mitigating factors (record) could even reduce it to one week.@Crucial said in Chiefs vs Hurricanes:
I was surprised he didn't see a red to start with but to equate this 'tackle' with Luatua's is lazy journalism. Yes they both contravened the same law and fall under the same tougher guidelines but they are totally different.
Luatua hit a player without the ball with a swinging arm and made contact with the head. Even taking away the head contact there were factors of being off the ball and dangerous (the swinging arm).
Leitch made a tackle on a ball carrier where he didn't take due care to ensure that there wasn't head contact. He executed a legal act illegally (if that makes sense).
He will cop a ban but I would think that the entry level criteria is different in a number of factors to Luatua's (mid level) and enough to drop it to Low (2 weeks). mitigating factors (record) could even reduce it to one week.I still don't understand this about how the judiciary works. People still seem to have the crazy idea that a ban is worse than a red card. It seems crazy to me that to receive a ban you have to meet the red card threshold. Giving people a yellow card and a lengthy ban seems to me a more reasonable punishment. I think both Fatialofa and Bird should cop bans but I understand they will not unless those incidents meet the red card threshold.
If Leitch's tackle met the red card threshold and was not punished appropriately then he should have a few weeks tacked on to his sentence. If you get away with foul play during a game, you should be punished more severely. If Luatua gets a red + 4 weeks and Leitch gets a yellow + 1 week when they basically contravened the same standards then that makes no sense. Basically they are saying if you get away with something during the game, you get away with it. You may be punished later but only to the same extent as an incident which was seen during the game.
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Hard game to like as a canes supporter. Chiefs are now my hatiest kiwi team.
We were rightly beaten. No complaints. Good for us going forward.
I hate Liam Messam.
@raznomore said in Chiefs vs Hurricanes:
Hard game to like as a canes supporter. Chiefs are now my hatiest kiwi team.
We were rightly beaten. No complaints. Good for us going forward.
I hate Liam Messam.
He water-boied the shit out of the Canes last night.
The Canes are no longer my second hatiest kiwi team, I think the stench of the Hammettuer has finally washed away.
TBF to the Canes it was a hard match for them to go in to considering they'd only had opposed training runs where the Chiefs had had tough matches against decent opposition.
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@raznomore said in Chiefs vs Hurricanes:
Hard game to like as a canes supporter. Chiefs are now my hatiest kiwi team.
We were rightly beaten. No complaints. Good for us going forward.
I hate Liam Messam.
He water-boied the shit out of the Canes last night.
The Canes are no longer my second hatiest kiwi team, I think the stench of the Hammettuer has finally washed away.
TBF to the Canes it was a hard match for them to go in to considering they'd only had opposed training runs where the Chiefs had had tough matches against decent opposition.
@Nepia yep, thats the thing, Chiefs had a better build up with intense matches, especially when the weather turned shite too
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@Crucial I can confirm, much to my surprise, that it actually rained in both halves of the field.
The weather was more akin to what I've seen in games from Wellington than I've ever experienced in Hamilton so don't be using that as an excuse. One team played to the conditions better and won - simple.
I haven't watched a replay of the game but I would have thought that if Leitch is cited Fatialofa should also have been.
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The Perenara try was incorrectly awarded. His knee hit the ground. Should have gone to the TMO
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Chiefs vs Hurricanes:
The Perenara try was incorrectly awarded. His knee hit the ground. Should have gone to the TMO
Is this about All Bundy's touchdown?
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@Tim said in Chiefs vs Hurricanes:
How the hell did he get away with that? At least one of the officials must have seen it.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Chiefs vs Hurricanes:
The Perenara try was incorrectly awarded. His knee hit the ground. Should have gone to the TMO
Is this about All Bundy's touchdown?
@Bones said in Chiefs vs Hurricanes:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Chiefs vs Hurricanes:
The Perenara try was incorrectly awarded. His knee hit the ground. Should have gone to the TMO
Is this about All Bundy's touchdown?
What?
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@Tim said in Chiefs vs Hurricanes:
How the hell did he get away with that? At least one of the officials must have seen it.
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Re: Consistency of punishment, does anyone know if the Foul Play Review Committee publishes its full decisions? I'd love to see how they analyse the severity of offence, and, in particular, the prescribed criteria applied. Would then be able to assess consistency base on the 'official secrets' guidelines!
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@Rancid-Schnitzel I assume you mean Bird, but I'm also looking at Retallick in this footage.
@Stargazer said in Chiefs vs Hurricanes:
@Rancid-Schnitzel I assume you mean Bird, but I'm also looking at Retallick in this footage.
Damn, didn't see that! Both should have been yellowed.
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Re: Consistency of punishment, does anyone know if the Foul Play Review Committee publishes its full decisions? I'd love to see how they analyse the severity of offence, and, in particular, the prescribed criteria applied. Would then be able to assess consistency base on the 'official secrets' guidelines!
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@pakman SANZAAR have a judiciary news section on their website but they haven't published the Luatua decision there at all. Planet Rugby published at least the relevant bits of the decision on their website, but I'm not sure it's the full decision.
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@Stargazer Thanks. IMO such decisions ought to be published in full on SANZAAR website. Will take a look at Planet Rugby.
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A fairly simple way of comparing would be to ask which of the two tackles would one least want to be in the receiving end of. That's the one which merits four weeks. If the refs had issued the reverse cards that's what the committee would have done, notwithstanding the 'facts'!
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Low end for a shoulder to the head. What a joke.
@antipodean said in Chiefs vs Hurricanes:
Low end for a shoulder to the head. What a joke.
Thing is that once they set a precedent with Luatua the subsequent decisions need to be relative to it. Because mid entry point is four weeks (Luatua) and Leitchs one was not off the ball, swinging arm (it was a misjudged tackle that made contact with head), all they could do to reflect the lower severity was to make it a low entry (2 weeks). They are then also obliged through consistency to apply mitigation such as record.
The process is quite clear. It isn't a matter of just looking at the event and pulling a number out (which may work better sometimes)
