Hurricanes v Highlanders
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@Stargazer said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:
@Nepia said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:
Hmmm, so can Scott and Kane (is he the other Barrett?) tackle? As much credit as Smiley gets for producing his boys he gets a big negative for their defensive abilities. I assume some time in the ABs will iron out JB deficiencies like they mostly did with BB.
There are 5 Barrett sons and 3 younger daughters. Kane is the eldest (played for the Blues, but had stop playing due to serious injury), then Beauden, Scott and Jordie. Not sure whether Blake Barrett (who, I think, has played age-grade rep rugby in Taranaki, but didn't make it to NPC level) is older or younger than Scott. Scott's tackle success rate is definitely higher, much higher, than Beauden en Jordie's, but could be a bit better compared to the best NZ locks.
Edited to add:
As far as they mean anything, their Super Rugby stats for tackle success rate thus far:
Scott 82.8%, Beauden 56.3%, Jordie 36.4%;
other full-backs: DMac 94.1%, Dagg 83.3%, Collins 71.4%, BFA 66.7%
other first-fives: West 81.8%, Cruden 77.1%, Hunt 76.9%, Sopoaga 75%
other locks: Fatialofa 92.3%, Retallick 88.6%, Whitelock 87.5%, Bird 86.1%
Team averages: Blues 86.1%, Highlanders 85.7%, Hurricanes 85.6%, Crusaders 84.7% and Chiefs 83.4%Source: Opta
Thread diversion here but on those stats Dmac has the highest % success in the tackle yet the common comment is that he is too small to play with the big boys.
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I don't want to be a party pooper and there is no doubt that Jordie of the Barretts has some real talent but I haven't seen the same level of acceleration, tackle avoidance or eye for a chance that came with BB or has been seen from Ben Smith.
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I don't want to be a party pooper and there is no doubt that Jordie of the Barretts has some real talent but I haven't seen the same level of acceleration, tackle avoidance or eye for a chance that came with BB or has been seen from Ben Smith.
Early days yet and I probably be proved wrong.@Crucial said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:
I don't want to be a party pooper and there is no doubt that Jordie of the Barretts has some real talent but I haven't seen the same level of acceleration, tackle avoidance or eye for a chance that came with BB or has been seen from Ben Smith.
Early days yet and I probably be proved wrong.I wonder whether his height might be/become a disadvantage in this respect?
If he becomes a bit heavier, they could change him into a forward when they move Ardie to the midfield
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I don't want to be a party pooper and there is no doubt that Jordie of the Barretts has some real talent but I haven't seen the same level of acceleration, tackle avoidance or eye for a chance that came with BB or has been seen from Ben Smith.
Early days yet and I probably be proved wrong.@Crucial He accelerated pretty well to catch and tackle Fekitoa.
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I don't want to be a party pooper and there is no doubt that Jordie of the Barretts has some real talent but I haven't seen the same level of acceleration, tackle avoidance or eye for a chance that came with BB or has been seen from Ben Smith.
Early days yet and I probably be proved wrong.@Crucial said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:
I don't want to be a party pooper and there is no doubt that Jordie of the Barretts has some real talent but I haven't seen the same level of acceleration, tackle avoidance or eye for a chance that came with BB or has been seen from Ben Smith.
Early days yet and I probably be proved wrong.How much have you actually seen him play? Clearly not a great deal.
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@Crucial said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:
I don't want to be a party pooper and there is no doubt that Jordie of the Barretts has some real talent but I haven't seen the same level of acceleration, tackle avoidance or eye for a chance that came with BB or has been seen from Ben Smith.
Early days yet and I probably be proved wrong.How much have you actually seen him play? Clearly not a great deal.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:
@Crucial said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:
I don't want to be a party pooper and there is no doubt that Jordie of the Barretts has some real talent but I haven't seen the same level of acceleration, tackle avoidance or eye for a chance that came with BB or has been seen from Ben Smith.
Early days yet and I probably be proved wrong.How much have you actually seen him play? Clearly not a great deal.
I'm more than happy for you to show me highlights that I have missed. It was more that likening to players such as Cully that had me baffled.
I am not disputing that the kid is a talent. I watch him and recognise that he is a cut above most that come along, but I haven't seen things that make me go 'wow, we have a superstar here' -
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:
@Crucial said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:
I don't want to be a party pooper and there is no doubt that Jordie of the Barretts has some real talent but I haven't seen the same level of acceleration, tackle avoidance or eye for a chance that came with BB or has been seen from Ben Smith.
Early days yet and I probably be proved wrong.How much have you actually seen him play? Clearly not a great deal.
I'm more than happy for you to show me highlights that I have missed. It was more that likening to players such as Cully that had me baffled.
I am not disputing that the kid is a talent. I watch him and recognise that he is a cut above most that come along, but I haven't seen things that make me go 'wow, we have a superstar here'@Crucial said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:
@Crucial said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:
I don't want to be a party pooper and there is no doubt that Jordie of the Barretts has some real talent but I haven't seen the same level of acceleration, tackle avoidance or eye for a chance that came with BB or has been seen from Ben Smith.
Early days yet and I probably be proved wrong.How much have you actually seen him play? Clearly not a great deal.
I'm more than happy for you to show me highlights that I have missed. It was more that likening to players such as Cully that had me baffled.
I am not disputing that the kid is a talent. I watch him and recognise that he is a cut above most that come along, but I haven't seen things that make me go 'wow, we have a superstar here'I didn't say he was the new Cullen, I said he excites me in the same way Cullen did. He's the kind of player you want to watch because you know special things can happen when he gets the ball. Just look at the last game he played. And he's still only 19.
Ffs the guy is a 195cm inside centre with the skillset of his world player of the year brother. He's potentially a bigger, better Beauden.
But sure, feel free to write him off like you did his brother.
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@Crucial said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:
I don't want to be a party pooper and there is no doubt that Jordie of the Barretts has some real talent but I haven't seen the same level of acceleration, tackle avoidance or eye for a chance that came with BB or has been seen from Ben Smith.
Early days yet and I probably be proved wrong.How much have you actually seen him play? Clearly not a great deal.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:
@Crucial said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:
I don't want to be a party pooper and there is no doubt that Jordie of the Barretts has some real talent but I haven't seen the same level of acceleration, tackle avoidance or eye for a chance that came with BB or has been seen from Ben Smith.
Early days yet and I probably be proved wrong.How much have you actually seen him play? Clearly not a great deal.
I just spent some time on youtube looking at highlights vids and haven't seen anything to make me change my statements. The kid does some outrageous offloads that come off (as he did the other night), but then so does SBW.
What I was getting at before was that with BB you will often see him create something when it appears like nothing is on. He has that ability to take advantage of quarter of a gap with a two step acceleration that leaves defenders looking at each other. When he plays 15 he will also appear from seemingly nowhere on a brilliant line (ala Cully).
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:
@Crucial said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:
I don't want to be a party pooper and there is no doubt that Jordie of the Barretts has some real talent but I haven't seen the same level of acceleration, tackle avoidance or eye for a chance that came with BB or has been seen from Ben Smith.
Early days yet and I probably be proved wrong.How much have you actually seen him play? Clearly not a great deal.
I just spent some time on youtube looking at highlights vids and haven't seen anything to make me change my statements. The kid does some outrageous offloads that come off (as he did the other night), but then so does SBW.
What I was getting at before was that with BB you will often see him create something when it appears like nothing is on. He has that ability to take advantage of quarter of a gap with a two step acceleration that leaves defenders looking at each other. When he plays 15 he will also appear from seemingly nowhere on a brilliant line (ala Cully).
Maybe JB will show us those talents as well.@Crucial said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:
@Crucial said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:
I don't want to be a party pooper and there is no doubt that Jordie of the Barretts has some real talent but I haven't seen the same level of acceleration, tackle avoidance or eye for a chance that came with BB or has been seen from Ben Smith.
Early days yet and I probably be proved wrong.How much have you actually seen him play? Clearly not a great deal.
I just spent some time on youtube looking at highlights vids and haven't seen anything to make me change my statements. The kid does some outrageous offloads that come off (as he did the other night), but then so does SBW.
What I was getting at before was that with BB you will often see him create something when it appears like nothing is on. He has that ability to take advantage of quarter of a gap with a two step acceleration that leaves defenders looking at each other. When he plays 15 he will also appear from seemingly nowhere on a brilliant line (ala Cully).
Maybe JB will show us those talents as well.Well if he does SBW like stuff then surely in your eyes that has to be superstar material. He's like a mega giga superstar isn't he? Weird comparison to make if you see no superstar potential. Or have you gone sour on Sonny these days?
I've always said JB is a 12 not a 15. Again he isn't a Cullen clone, unless Cullen was actually over 190cm and regularly played at inside centre.
You know what, maybe he will fade away. Maybe he'll play just 5 tests as a reserve. But what I see now is a massive talent and a massive lad who could be an even better player than his superstar brother. That excites the hell out of me and I'm hoping you'll be just as wrong about him as you were about BB.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel Wrong about BB? When I used to say he wasn't the finished article at 10 and didn't rank him as an AB starter at 10 I was backed up by the selection choice. I don't think you'll find me saying the same after both his defence and game management matured. I don't think you'll find anything where I doubted his attacking abilities.
As for SBW there's a big difference between defending a player against cries of being a show pony money grabber only looking out for himself and saying that (as yet) I don't see superstar written all over JB.
Of course he has the potential to be a very good AB but then so does Ardie Savea and that hasn't come to fruition just yet. Reiko Ioane excites me more on potential at the moment. If he can translate his abilities to a test level he has freakish abilities to beat a man. -
@Rancid-Schnitzel Wrong about BB? When I used to say he wasn't the finished article at 10 and didn't rank him as an AB starter at 10 I was backed up by the selection choice. I don't think you'll find me saying the same after both his defence and game management matured. I don't think you'll find anything where I doubted his attacking abilities.
As for SBW there's a big difference between defending a player against cries of being a show pony money grabber only looking out for himself and saying that (as yet) I don't see superstar written all over JB.
Of course he has the potential to be a very good AB but then so does Ardie Savea and that hasn't come to fruition just yet. Reiko Ioane excites me more on potential at the moment. If he can translate his abilities to a test level he has freakish abilities to beat a man.@Crucial said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:
@Rancid-Schnitzel Wrong about BB? When I used to say he wasn't the finished article at 10 and didn't rank him as an AB starter at 10 I was backed up by the selection choice. I don't think you'll find me saying the same after both his defence and game management matured. I don't think you'll find anything where I doubted his attacking abilities.
As for SBW there's a big difference between defending a player against cries of being a show pony money grabber only looking out for himself and saying that (as yet) I don't see superstar written all over JB.
Of course he has the potential to be a very good AB but then so does Ardie Savea and that hasn't come to fruition just yet. Reiko Ioane excites me more on potential at the moment. If he can translate his abilities to a test level he has freakish abilities to beat a man.RIEKO!
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@Crucial said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:
@Rancid-Schnitzel Wrong about BB? When I used to say he wasn't the finished article at 10 and didn't rank him as an AB starter at 10 I was backed up by the selection choice. I don't think you'll find me saying the same after both his defence and game management matured. I don't think you'll find anything where I doubted his attacking abilities.
As for SBW there's a big difference between defending a player against cries of being a show pony money grabber only looking out for himself and saying that (as yet) I don't see superstar written all over JB.
Of course he has the potential to be a very good AB but then so does Ardie Savea and that hasn't come to fruition just yet. Reiko Ioane excites me more on potential at the moment. If he can translate his abilities to a test level he has freakish abilities to beat a man.RIEKO!
@Stargazer said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:
@Crucial said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:
@Rancid-Schnitzel Wrong about BB? When I used to say he wasn't the finished article at 10 and didn't rank him as an AB starter at 10 I was backed up by the selection choice. I don't think you'll find me saying the same after both his defence and game management matured. I don't think you'll find anything where I doubted his attacking abilities.
As for SBW there's a big difference between defending a player against cries of being a show pony money grabber only looking out for himself and saying that (as yet) I don't see superstar written all over JB.
Of course he has the potential to be a very good AB but then so does Ardie Savea and that hasn't come to fruition just yet. Reiko Ioane excites me more on potential at the moment. If he can translate his abilities to a test level he has freakish abilities to beat a man.RIEKO!
That's the guy.
I before E except after R
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What impresses me most with Jordie is how much time he has. A lot of stuff that doesn't usually make the highlight reels.
He does the right thing at the right time and has no issues with playmaking near contact. He can offload in heavy traffic with ridiculous ease.He will be a different player to Beaudie but I don't think he'll be any less of a threat.
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@Crucial said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:
@Rancid-Schnitzel Wrong about BB? When I used to say he wasn't the finished article at 10 and didn't rank him as an AB starter at 10 I was backed up by the selection choice. I don't think you'll find me saying the same after both his defence and game management matured. I don't think you'll find anything where I doubted his attacking abilities.
As for SBW there's a big difference between defending a player against cries of being a show pony money grabber only looking out for himself and saying that (as yet) I don't see superstar written all over JB.
Of course he has the potential to be a very good AB but then so does Ardie Savea and that hasn't come to fruition just yet. Reiko Ioane excites me more on potential at the moment. If he can translate his abilities to a test level he has freakish abilities to beat a man.RIEKO!
@Stargazer said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:
@Crucial said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:
@Rancid-Schnitzel Wrong about BB? When I used to say he wasn't the finished article at 10 and didn't rank him as an AB starter at 10 I was backed up by the selection choice. I don't think you'll find me saying the same after both his defence and game management matured. I don't think you'll find anything where I doubted his attacking abilities.
As for SBW there's a big difference between defending a player against cries of being a show pony money grabber only looking out for himself and saying that (as yet) I don't see superstar written all over JB.
Of course he has the potential to be a very good AB but then so does Ardie Savea and that hasn't come to fruition just yet. Reiko Ioane excites me more on potential at the moment. If he can translate his abilities to a test level he has freakish abilities to beat a man.RIEKO!
Who gives a fuck. There are spelling mistakes thoughout the forum. It doesn't actually matter.
Don't be such a tosser with that bullshit
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@Rancid-Schnitzel Wrong about BB? When I used to say he wasn't the finished article at 10 and didn't rank him as an AB starter at 10 I was backed up by the selection choice. I don't think you'll find me saying the same after both his defence and game management matured. I don't think you'll find anything where I doubted his attacking abilities.
As for SBW there's a big difference between defending a player against cries of being a show pony money grabber only looking out for himself and saying that (as yet) I don't see superstar written all over JB.
Of course he has the potential to be a very good AB but then so does Ardie Savea and that hasn't come to fruition just yet. Reiko Ioane excites me more on potential at the moment. If he can translate his abilities to a test level he has freakish abilities to beat a man.Jordie 12 reiko 13 , both 19 years of age , pencil it in for the future .
What excites me about Jordie is his vision , ability to create and link with his supports , shows a maturity to think on his feet you don't see too often at his age , throw in his size and kicking game .
Could be everything you want from a 12 .
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@Crucial said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:
I don't want to be a party pooper and there is no doubt that Jordie of the Barretts has some real talent but I haven't seen the same level of acceleration, tackle avoidance or eye for a chance that came with BB or has been seen from Ben Smith.
Early days yet and I probably be proved wrong.I wonder whether his height might be/become a disadvantage in this respect?
If he becomes a bit heavier, they could change him into a forward when they move Ardie to the midfield@Stargazer said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:
@Crucial said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:
I don't want to be a party pooper and there is no doubt that Jordie of the Barretts has some real talent but I haven't seen the same level of acceleration, tackle avoidance or eye for a chance that came with BB or has been seen from Ben Smith.
Early days yet and I probably be proved wrong.I wonder whether his height might be/become a disadvantage in this respect?
If he becomes a bit heavier, they could change him into a forward when they move Ardie to the midfieldRight height to weight ratio for number 8? Just like Hayman ...
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@Stargazer said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:
@Crucial said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:
@Rancid-Schnitzel Wrong about BB? When I used to say he wasn't the finished article at 10 and didn't rank him as an AB starter at 10 I was backed up by the selection choice. I don't think you'll find me saying the same after both his defence and game management matured. I don't think you'll find anything where I doubted his attacking abilities.
As for SBW there's a big difference between defending a player against cries of being a show pony money grabber only looking out for himself and saying that (as yet) I don't see superstar written all over JB.
Of course he has the potential to be a very good AB but then so does Ardie Savea and that hasn't come to fruition just yet. Reiko Ioane excites me more on potential at the moment. If he can translate his abilities to a test level he has freakish abilities to beat a man.RIEKO!
Who gives a fuck. There are spelling mistakes thoughout the forum. It doesn't actually matter.
Don't be such a tosser with that bullshit
@Hooroo said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:
@Stargazer said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:
@Crucial said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:
@Rancid-Schnitzel Wrong about BB? When I used to say he wasn't the finished article at 10 and didn't rank him as an AB starter at 10 I was backed up by the selection choice. I don't think you'll find me saying the same after both his defence and game management matured. I don't think you'll find anything where I doubted his attacking abilities.
As for SBW there's a big difference between defending a player against cries of being a show pony money grabber only looking out for himself and saying that (as yet) I don't see superstar written all over JB.
Of course he has the potential to be a very good AB but then so does Ardie Savea and that hasn't come to fruition just yet. Reiko Ioane excites me more on potential at the moment. If he can translate his abilities to a test level he has freakish abilities to beat a man.RIEKO!
Who gives a fuck. There are spelling mistakes thoughout the forum. It doesn't actually matter.
Don't be such a tosser with that bullshit
Damn right. I'm a stickler for spelling but if it's a slightly odd spelling of a name that should be spelt Rico then I'm willing to let it slide, I think I'm more concerned that people are making excuses for his poor defence because apparently he's too tall.
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@Hooroo said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:
@Stargazer said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:
@Crucial said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:
@Rancid-Schnitzel Wrong about BB? When I used to say he wasn't the finished article at 10 and didn't rank him as an AB starter at 10 I was backed up by the selection choice. I don't think you'll find me saying the same after both his defence and game management matured. I don't think you'll find anything where I doubted his attacking abilities.
As for SBW there's a big difference between defending a player against cries of being a show pony money grabber only looking out for himself and saying that (as yet) I don't see superstar written all over JB.
Of course he has the potential to be a very good AB but then so does Ardie Savea and that hasn't come to fruition just yet. Reiko Ioane excites me more on potential at the moment. If he can translate his abilities to a test level he has freakish abilities to beat a man.RIEKO!
Who gives a fuck. There are spelling mistakes thoughout the forum. It doesn't actually matter.
Don't be such a tosser with that bullshit
Damn right. I'm a stickler for spelling but if it's a slightly odd spelling of a name that should be spelt Rico then I'm willing to let it slide, I think I'm more concerned that people are making excuses for his poor defence because apparently he's too tall.
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@Hooroo said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:
@Stargazer said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:
@Crucial said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:
@Rancid-Schnitzel Wrong about BB? When I used to say he wasn't the finished article at 10 and didn't rank him as an AB starter at 10 I was backed up by the selection choice. I don't think you'll find me saying the same after both his defence and game management matured. I don't think you'll find anything where I doubted his attacking abilities.
As for SBW there's a big difference between defending a player against cries of being a show pony money grabber only looking out for himself and saying that (as yet) I don't see superstar written all over JB.
Of course he has the potential to be a very good AB but then so does Ardie Savea and that hasn't come to fruition just yet. Reiko Ioane excites me more on potential at the moment. If he can translate his abilities to a test level he has freakish abilities to beat a man.RIEKO!
Who gives a fuck. There are spelling mistakes thoughout the forum. It doesn't actually matter.
Don't be such a tosser with that bullshit
Damn right. I'm a stickler for spelling but if it's a slightly odd spelling of a name that should be spelt Rico then I'm willing to let it slide, I think I'm more concerned that people are making excuses for his poor defence because apparently he's too tall.
@MN5 said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:
@Hooroo said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:
@Stargazer said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:
@Crucial said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:
@Rancid-Schnitzel Wrong about BB? When I used to say he wasn't the finished article at 10 and didn't rank him as an AB starter at 10 I was backed up by the selection choice. I don't think you'll find me saying the same after both his defence and game management matured. I don't think you'll find anything where I doubted his attacking abilities.
As for SBW there's a big difference between defending a player against cries of being a show pony money grabber only looking out for himself and saying that (as yet) I don't see superstar written all over JB.
Of course he has the potential to be a very good AB but then so does Ardie Savea and that hasn't come to fruition just yet. Reiko Ioane excites me more on potential at the moment. If he can translate his abilities to a test level he has freakish abilities to beat a man.RIEKO!
Who gives a fuck. There are spelling mistakes thoughout the forum. It doesn't actually matter.
Don't be such a tosser with that bullshit
Damn right. I'm a stickler for spelling but if it's a slightly odd spelling of a name that should be spelt Rico then I'm willing to let it slide, I think I'm more concerned that people are making excuses for his poor defence because apparently he's too tall.
Check out the hit on this prop at 0.42. That was some very solid contact.
The kid will be fine.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:
@Crucial said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:
I don't want to be a party pooper and there is no doubt that Jordie of the Barretts has some real talent but I haven't seen the same level of acceleration, tackle avoidance or eye for a chance that came with BB or has been seen from Ben Smith.
Early days yet and I probably be proved wrong.How much have you actually seen him play? Clearly not a great deal.
I just spent some time on youtube looking at highlights vids and haven't seen anything to make me change my statements. The kid does some outrageous offloads that come off (as he did the other night), but then so does SBW.
What I was getting at before was that with BB you will often see him create something when it appears like nothing is on. He has that ability to take advantage of quarter of a gap with a two step acceleration that leaves defenders looking at each other. When he plays 15 he will also appear from seemingly nowhere on a brilliant line (ala Cully).
Maybe JB will show us those talents as well.@Crucial said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:
@Crucial said in Hurricanes v Highlanders:
I don't want to be a party pooper and there is no doubt that Jordie of the Barretts has some real talent but I haven't seen the same level of acceleration, tackle avoidance or eye for a chance that came with BB or has been seen from Ben Smith.
Early days yet and I probably be proved wrong.How much have you actually seen him play? Clearly not a great deal.
I just spent some time on youtube looking at highlights vids and haven't seen anything to make me change my statements. The kid does some outrageous offloads that come off (as he did the other night), but then so does SBW.
What I was getting at before was that with BB you will often see him create something when it appears like nothing is on. He has that ability to take advantage of quarter of a gap with a two step acceleration that leaves defenders looking at each other. When he plays 15 he will also appear from seemingly nowhere on a brilliant line (ala Cully).
Maybe JB will show us those talents as well.Jordie Barrett dominated club rugby in Christchurch last year like nobody I've ever seen in the last 20 odd years. Single handedly won games on his own for Lincoln University.
In the final it was pretty obvious that New Brighton thought their best chance of winning was to take him out, only result of this was that a player was red carded in the first 10 minutes. The physical attention didnt phase him.
I think it's only a matter of time before he's as dominant at Super rugby and test level rugby.
But then again, everyone on this forum has been wrong at some point about a player potential.
