Blues v Force
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@Duluth said in Blues v Force:
Just checked what he did in his 27mins vs the Crusaders
He carried the ball at a far higher rate to any other forward in the match. Impressively, despite playing only a portion of the match, he carried for the 2nd most metres of any forward in the match (1m behind Kaino). No missed tackles, although he didn't have to make many because the Blues had a good roll on when he subbed on.
FFS is ball carries the only stat you guys ever quote on here?
everytime a players workrate is critiscised someone pipes up and quotes that stat.
I'm more interested in his (non-existant) work at the breakdown (where the blues were getting destroyed)
@SammyC said in Blues v Force:
I'm more interested in his (non-existant) work at the breakdown (where the blues were getting destroyed)
When Ioane was on the Blues were mounting their comeback and we had a run of good possession. The rucks were not such an issue at that stage (as for actual ruck turnovers that was only 3-2 to the Crusaders)
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@Wally said in Crusaders v Blues:
I was at the game. I couldn't believe how lazy A Ioane was when he came on.
The Blues forwards were gone
at about 60 minutes.@antipodean said in Crusaders v Blues:
@Wally said in Crusaders v Blues:
I was at the game. I couldn't believe how lazy A Ioane was when he came on.
He'll never be an All Black.
@Crazy-Horse said in Crusaders v Blues:
@SammyC said in Crusaders v Blues:
@Wally said in Crusaders v Blues:
I was at the game. I couldn't believe how lazy A Ioane was when he came on.
The Blues forwards were gone
at about 60 minutes.He looked so disinterested, walked around the field with a sorry expression on his face.
What has happened to the dynamic player we saw last year?
Maybe he is trying to play for a Warriors contract. The way he is going he will fit right in.
@Stargazer said in Crusaders v Blues:
I think the last few posts perfectly sum up why Akira Ioane may not have what it takes to be an All Black. Contrast that to Jordan Taufua, who is exactly the opposite. Don't think there are many players who are more motivated and have a higher work rate than him. I know some think he's too small, but I'm not convinced that his height (or lack of it) should be barrier. He has plenty of other things to offer.
A few observations from the Crusaders Blues thread after a quick look (not inlcuding my own of course)
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Yup lots of silly comments there about facial expressions or saying that the forwards were shot at 60m (he subbed on at 53 and was a large part of the comeback after 60mins)
Carrying more than any Crusader forward and more than any forward not called Kaino is not a bad effort (in just 27mins) But did you see his expression
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Yup lots of silly comments there about facial expressions or saying that the forwards were shot at 60m (he subbed on at 53 and was a large part of the comeback after 60mins)
Carrying more than any Crusader forward and more than any forward not called Kaino is not a bad effort (in just 27mins) But did you see his expression
@Duluth said in Blues v Force:
Yup lots of silly comments there about facial expressions or saying that the forwards were shot at 60m (he subbed on at 53 and was a large part of the comeback after 60mins)
Carrying more than any Crusader forward and more than any forward not called Kaino is not a bad effort. But did you see his expression :lol:
He carried the ball 4 times in 27 minutes? that's not as impressive as you are making out
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@Duluth said in Blues v Force:
Yup lots of silly comments there about facial expressions or saying that the forwards were shot at 60m (he subbed on at 53 and was a large part of the comeback after 60mins)
Carrying more than any Crusader forward and more than any forward not called Kaino is not a bad effort. But did you see his expression :lol:
He carried the ball 4 times in 27 minutes? that's not as impressive as you are making out
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5 carries for 34m
Tafua for instance 4 carries for 3m and he started
He has a silly expression on his face too
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Yup lots of silly comments there about facial expressions or saying that the forwards were shot at 60m (he subbed on at 53 and was a large part of the comeback after 60mins)
Carrying more than any Crusader forward and more than any forward not called Kaino is not a bad effort (in just 27mins) But did you see his expression
@Duluth said in Blues v Force:
Yup lots of silly comments there about facial expressions or saying that the forwards were shot at 60m (he subbed on at 53 and was a large part of the comeback after 60mins)
Also, what comeback? did the blues score again after Francis missed the penalty around 60minutes?
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@Duluth said in Blues v Force:
Yup lots of silly comments there about facial expressions or saying that the forwards were shot at 60m (he subbed on at 53 and was a large part of the comeback after 60mins)
Also, what comeback? did the blues score again after Francis missed the penalty around 60minutes?
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5 carries for 34m
Tafua for instance 4 carries for 3m and he started
He has a silly expression on his face too
@Duluth said in Blues v Force:
5 carries for 34m
Tafua for instance 4 carries for 3m and he started
He has a silly expression on his face too
Taufua was excellent in that game, shows how stupid it is to judge a players performance on the basis of ball carries alone.
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@Duluth said in Blues v Force:
5 carries for 34m
Tafua for instance 4 carries for 3m and he started
He has a silly expression on his face too
Taufua was excellent in that game, shows how stupid it is to judge a players performance on the basis of ball carries alone.
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Speaking of Ioanes, it annoys me that the media gets lazy - as soon as anyone plays from the bench such as Rieko they are 'dropped' or 'dumped'.
Listening to Tana it's quite clear he's giving Rieko a bit of a spell after playing every minute/game so far and they can't pick everyone to play every week, they only have so many backline spots.
Saying Rieko has been 'dropped' is wrong. Just because he isn't scoring 3 tries a game doesn't mean he hasn't been playing well - he has been really strong at centre and last week made breaks once Faiane came on and he was able to get some ball in space (heavily involved in two final Blues tries).
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Speaking of Ioanes, it annoys me that the media gets lazy - as soon as anyone plays from the bench such as Rieko they are 'dropped' or 'dumped'.
Listening to Tana it's quite clear he's giving Rieko a bit of a spell after playing every minute/game so far and they can't pick everyone to play every week, they only have so many backline spots.
Saying Rieko has been 'dropped' is wrong. Just because he isn't scoring 3 tries a game doesn't mean he hasn't been playing well - he has been really strong at centre and last week made breaks once Faiane came on and he was able to get some ball in space (heavily involved in two final Blues tries).
@KiwiMurph Yes, I noticed that, too. All for the clicks, obviously, because 'being dropped' sounds so much more dramatic than 'getting a rest'. That's why I usually prefer to read the media releases with the team naming (if available), rather than articles on the NZH or Stuff website.
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Yup lots of silly comments there about facial expressions or saying that the forwards were shot at 60m (he subbed on at 53 and was a large part of the comeback after 60mins)
Carrying more than any Crusader forward and more than any forward not called Kaino is not a bad effort (in just 27mins) But did you see his expression
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My comment silly?
I was at the game.
The Blues forwards were completely outplayed from about 60 minutes. They looked shell shocked. Their heads were down.
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@Wally said in Blues v Force:
I don't recall a comeback.
You don't?? apparently Akira was instrumental
I think the score was 21-0 to the crusaders after he came on.
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@SammyC Clearly all his fault then.
@antipodean said in Blues v Force:
@SammyC Clearly all his fault then.
Never said nor implied that
You guys love to put words in peoples mouth, I was responding to a specific comment that said he was a "large part of the blues comeback"
Clearly there was no comeback
Hard to take someone seriously when their memory of the game is so wrong.
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I've said there was no comeback
He gets through a lot of work for a lazy guy. To carry so many metres in a beaten pack was a good effort
I thought it was worth comparing lazy Ioane with the highly praised Tufua
Note that Ioane has played a lot less minutes:
If you change the comparison to Douglas the stats even up on defence but they are comparable
It's strange that in the Crusaders game when the entire Blues tight five stunk it up in the second half and the maul defence was incredibly disorganised, the player getting the most blame is a loosie that subbed on
Now I'm not even saying that Akira should start, as I said earlier he has been flat since midway through the 2016 NPC. However calling him lazy is overstating things, or else there are a lot of lazy players around. He's just been less effective since recently. The 'lazy' criticism has followed him around even when he was at his peak and on top of almost every metric
It's almost like some people don't like the look on his face
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@antipodean said in Blues v Force:
@SammyC Clearly all his fault then.
Never said nor implied that
You guys love to put words in peoples mouth, I was responding to a specific comment that said he was a "large part of the blues comeback"
Clearly there was no comeback
Hard to take someone seriously when their memory of the game is so wrong.
@SammyC said in Blues v Force:
@antipodean said in Blues v Force:
@SammyC Clearly all his fault then.
You guys love to put words in peoples mouth,
That should be the TSF tagline.
The Silver Fern
We will put words in your mouth, and then argue all day that you are wrongSure, it's not catchy, but it's accurate!
