Stormers v Blues
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@Kruse I just completed an analysis and the results point to Crusaders fans being the most level headed, unbiased, least ref whinging fans on here. Who would have thought?
@Crazy-Horse Cheers - anecdotal memory led me to suspect as much, but good to know the numbers support it.
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@Kruse I just completed an analysis and the results point to Crusaders fans being the most level headed, unbiased, least ref whinging fans on here. Who would have thought?
@Crazy-Horse said in Stormers vs. Blues:
@Kruse I just completed an analysis and the results point to Crusaders fans being the most level headed, unbiased, least ref whinging fans on here. Who would have thought?
Yup wonderful fans, and just great people in general are those mighty Crusaders fans. A credit not only to the Canterbury region, but NZ in general.
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@Bones said in Stormers vs. Blues:
@African-Monkey to the extent of blues fans, every week and every loss? Methinks not. Remarkable difference between blues threads and other NZ teams when the blues lose. Check the Crusaders-Chiefs thread...
The kiwi equivalent of Reds fans
@mariner4life said in Stormers vs. Blues:
@Bones said in Stormers vs. Blues:
@African-Monkey to the extent of blues fans, every week and every loss? Methinks not. Remarkable difference between blues threads and other NZ teams when the blues lose. Check the Crusaders-Chiefs thread...
The kiwi equivalent of Reds fans
I was leaning towards Irish...
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Blues lose, blues fans whinge and blame ref. Quelle surprise!
Funny the people whinging about Treeby not being carded are remarkably quiet on Ofa not seeing a card...
@Bones said in Stormers vs. Blues:
Blues lose, blues fans whinge and blame ref. Quelle surprise!
Funny the people whinging about Treeby not being carded are remarkably quiet on Ofa not seeing a card...
I think we remained quiet on Ofa not getting carded because it was balanced by the stormers player not getting carded for the tackle on pulu.. both similar and we had no complaints..
Treeby is a card every day of the week.. and every day of 2017 should've been a red.. unless ur playing in Wales against the All Blacks (was it Powell on McCaw? Can't remember)
Treeby getting red carded at that point would've put the game in the Blues favour..
Instead of the stormers losing a player, the Blues lost Francis and had to settle for Gatland sending hospital passes all night..It didn't help that our bench got monstered in the set piece as well..
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For me the Duffie yellows were both erroneous. And there's something plain wrong were a yellow for a non-yellow offence (i.e. a repeated foul team offence' can be turned into a red by an individual yellow. Think the ref realised his blue and was overenthusiastic with Etzebeth for handbagging. Having rewatched Treeby for me a yellow. Seems quite likely that Francis's head hitting the SA turf knocked him out.
Final try was a penalty to Blues for handling in ruck, albeit I seem to recall there was an existing penalty advantage to Stormers. And Duffie red cost three when our seven man scrum got mullered.
Against all that, in last 15, when Stormers just spread out across the field, Blues lacked the nous to organise some one off runners to keep defence honest. No, instead they kept spinning it to Turnover Alley.
Blues were better team but can't relly complain.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Stormers vs. Blues:
@Kruse I just completed an analysis and the results point to Crusaders fans being the most level headed, unbiased, least ref whinging fans on here. Who would have thought?
Yup wonderful fans, and just great people in general are those mighty Crusaders fans. A credit not only to the Canterbury region, but NZ in general.
@African-Monkey said in Stormers vs. Blues:
Yup wonderful fans, and just great people in general are those mighty Crusaders fans. A credit not only to the Canterbury region, but NZ in general.
Exactly. Couldn't have said it better myself.....
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For me the Duffie yellows were both erroneous. And there's something plain wrong were a yellow for a non-yellow offence (i.e. a repeated foul team offence' can be turned into a red by an individual yellow. Think the ref realised his blue and was overenthusiastic with Etzebeth for handbagging. Having rewatched Treeby for me a yellow. Seems quite likely that Francis's head hitting the SA turf knocked him out.
Final try was a penalty to Blues for handling in ruck, albeit I seem to recall there was an existing penalty advantage to Stormers. And Duffie red cost three when our seven man scrum got mullered.
Against all that, in last 15, when Stormers just spread out across the field, Blues lacked the nous to organise some one off runners to keep defence honest. No, instead they kept spinning it to Turnover Alley.
Blues were better team but can't relly complain.
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Have only watched the vid posted above.
Was Duffie's second yellow for a professional foul, ie diving on a player on the ground rather than a high tackle whilst hot on attack? I get that. 2 yellows regardless of why = red. Unfortunate.
Treeby and Ofa should have had some pine time.
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Have only watched the vid posted above.
Was Duffie's second yellow for a professional foul, ie diving on a player on the ground rather than a high tackle whilst hot on attack? I get that. 2 yellows regardless of why = red. Unfortunate.
Treeby and Ofa should have had some pine time.
@booboo said in Stormers vs. Blues:
Was Duffie's second yellow for a professional foul, ie diving on a player on the ground rather than a high tackle whilst hot on attack? I get that.
He dropped on someone crawling on hands and knees. Very weird situation - but Law 14 probably applies:
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A player with the ball must immediately do one of three things:
Get up with the ball
Pass the ball
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@booboo said in Stormers vs. Blues:
Was Duffie's second yellow for a professional foul, ie diving on a player on the ground rather than a high tackle whilst hot on attack? I get that.
He dropped on someone crawling on hands and knees. Very weird situation - but Law 14 probably applies:
(a)
A player with the ball must immediately do one of three things:
Get up with the ball
Pass the ball
Release the ball.@nzzp yeah he appeared to go to get up with a crawl, saw him coming and went back down and braced for the contact
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Ayoub and Veldsman should not be allowed into rugby grounds, even as spectators. Just disgraceful.
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In his finding, Sanzaar Foul Play Review Committee chairman Nigel Hampton, QC, ruled the tackle was worthy of a six-week ban. Treeby's "excellent" judicial record and early guilty plea resulted in the suspension being reduced to three weeks.
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@Bones said in Stormers vs. Blues:
Blues lose, blues fans whinge and blame ref. Quelle surprise!
Funny the people whinging about Treeby not being carded are remarkably quiet on Ofa not seeing a card...
I think we remained quiet on Ofa not getting carded because it was balanced by the stormers player not getting carded for the tackle on pulu.. both similar and we had no complaints..
Treeby is a card every day of the week.. and every day of 2017 should've been a red.. unless ur playing in Wales against the All Blacks (was it Powell on McCaw? Can't remember)
Treeby getting red carded at that point would've put the game in the Blues favour..
Instead of the stormers losing a player, the Blues lost Francis and had to settle for Gatland sending hospital passes all night..It didn't help that our bench got monstered in the set piece as well..
@mimic said in Stormers vs. Blues:
@Bones said in Stormers vs. Blues:
Blues lose, blues fans whinge and blame ref. Quelle surprise!
Funny the people whinging about Treeby not being carded are remarkably quiet on Ofa not seeing a card...
I think we remained quiet on Ofa not getting carded because it was balanced by the stormers player not getting carded for the tackle on pulu.. both similar and we had no complaints..
Treeby is a card every day of the week.. and every day of 2017 should've been a red.. unless ur playing in Wales against the All Blacks (was it Powell on McCaw? Can't remember)
Treeby getting red carded at that point would've put the game in the Blues favour..
Instead of the stormers losing a player, the Blues lost Francis and had to settle for Gatland sending hospital passes all night..It didn't help that our bench got monstered in the set piece as well..
To say our bench got monstered in the set-piece is an exagerration. I know of one scrum where Sione Mafiloe got turned because the LH had not hit square. And the other was after we lost Duffie to a BS red card and we packed down with 7 men. All up I think the benched forwards went well.
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@mimic said in Stormers vs. Blues:
@Bones said in Stormers vs. Blues:
Blues lose, blues fans whinge and blame ref. Quelle surprise!
Funny the people whinging about Treeby not being carded are remarkably quiet on Ofa not seeing a card...
I think we remained quiet on Ofa not getting carded because it was balanced by the stormers player not getting carded for the tackle on pulu.. both similar and we had no complaints..
Treeby is a card every day of the week.. and every day of 2017 should've been a red.. unless ur playing in Wales against the All Blacks (was it Powell on McCaw? Can't remember)
Treeby getting red carded at that point would've put the game in the Blues favour..
Instead of the stormers losing a player, the Blues lost Francis and had to settle for Gatland sending hospital passes all night..It didn't help that our bench got monstered in the set piece as well..
To say our bench got monstered in the set-piece is an exagerration. I know of one scrum where Sione Mafiloe got turned because the LH had not hit square. And the other was after we lost Duffie to a BS red card and we packed down with 7 men. All up I think the benched forwards went well.
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@mimic said in Stormers vs. Blues:
@Bones said in Stormers vs. Blues:
Blues lose, blues fans whinge and blame ref. Quelle surprise!
Funny the people whinging about Treeby not being carded are remarkably quiet on Ofa not seeing a card...
I think we remained quiet on Ofa not getting carded because it was balanced by the stormers player not getting carded for the tackle on pulu.. both similar and we had no complaints..
Treeby is a card every day of the week.. and every day of 2017 should've been a red.. unless ur playing in Wales against the All Blacks (was it Powell on McCaw? Can't remember)
Treeby getting red carded at that point would've put the game in the Blues favour..
Instead of the stormers losing a player, the Blues lost Francis and had to settle for Gatland sending hospital passes all night..It didn't help that our bench got monstered in the set piece as well..
To say our bench got monstered in the set-piece is an exagerration. I know of one scrum where Sione Mafiloe got turned because the LH had not hit square. And the other was after we lost Duffie to a BS red card and we packed down with 7 men. All up I think the benched forwards went well.
@fiamacho said in Stormers vs. Blues:
@mimic said in Stormers vs. Blues:
@Bones said in Stormers vs. Blues:
Blues lose, blues fans whinge and blame ref. Quelle surprise!
Funny the people whinging about Treeby not being carded are remarkably quiet on Ofa not seeing a card...
I think we remained quiet on Ofa not getting carded because it was balanced by the stormers player not getting carded for the tackle on pulu.. both similar and we had no complaints..
Treeby is a card every day of the week.. and every day of 2017 should've been a red.. unless ur playing in Wales against the All Blacks (was it Powell on McCaw? Can't remember)
Treeby getting red carded at that point would've put the game in the Blues favour..
Instead of the stormers losing a player, the Blues lost Francis and had to settle for Gatland sending hospital passes all night..It didn't help that our bench got monstered in the set piece as well..
To say our bench got monstered in the set-piece is an exagerration. I know of one scrum where Sione Mafiloe got turned because the LH had not hit square. And the other was after we lost Duffie to a BS red card and we packed down with 7 men. All up I think the benched forwards went well.
Can't remember if we had 7 in the scrum.. I just remember breathing a sigh of relief when they opted for 3 instead of going for a penalty try and potential yellow card..
Quite a contrast compared to when the Stormers had 7..@pakman said in Stormers vs. Blues:
@fiamacho One thing which I haven't seen commented on is how much better the Blues forwards seem to be
when Scrafton is on. And worse when subbed. I thought he stood comparison with the Bok locks.I think people have posted in the past that Scrafton has been the find of the season. Is it a coincidence that our lineout problems went away when Scrafton started?
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http://www.sareferees.co.za/News/law-discussion-double-movement-etc/2830894/
Some interesting discussion on the match winning try.
It sucks being a Blues fan somedays
@nzzp It's an utter disgrace that Veldsman is still employed as a TMO. He has form and his form makes Ayoub look like a genius.
