Lions v Hurricanes (SF)
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@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Winger said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@nzzp said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
I quite like the idea of reducing travel by having the two conferences find a winner - ie an Australasian playoff, and then an African playoff. Kind of like the NFL playoffs - with NFC and AFC champs playing in a Superbowl. Would mean that the travel is inside the conference, and that one winner from each conference plays the Super Final. Cuts out the insanity of teams like the Chiefs having to potentially play Aus - SA - NZ - SA to win the comp.
That's one option. They really need to find a way to give all teams that make the finals a reasonable chance. So the finals becomes a fair contest not the farce it is now
Even with this current structure if the super rugby administrators had anyone with any common sense at all they would have set up a slight adjustment to ensure that one team having a travel schedule of SA >> back to NZ or Aust >>> back to SA or likewise for a SA team would never happen
It would have been so simple to do this. In the situation we have where the Chiefs are in SA they would always play the SA team. Its not difficult to work out that the Chiefs situation might occur and to inset a clause where if it does the Chiefs will play the SA team to reduce travel. as it is they have changed the structure and made it worse. Its makes it almost impossible for the Chiefs to win (as they are stuffed with the travel factor). So one semi is almost meaningless. as the Chiefs / Canes semi was last year. and if the Canes win likewise for the final. And it happened last year for the Chiefs too so its not a rare occurrence.
Under the current format, this years finals format is probably the best system. I don't think any team is disadvantaged commensurate to where they finished on the table.
And - of course - this will be the last year of the current format. Has anybody seen even a hint of how they're thinking about organising the whole comp next year, with 3 (maybe) teams dropped?
3 conferences of 5 teams each - NZ, Aus+Jp, Afr+Arg ?@Kruse said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Winger said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@nzzp said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
I quite like the idea of reducing travel by having the two conferences find a winner - ie an Australasian playoff, and then an African playoff. Kind of like the NFL playoffs - with NFC and AFC champs playing in a Superbowl. Would mean that the travel is inside the conference, and that one winner from each conference plays the Super Final. Cuts out the insanity of teams like the Chiefs having to potentially play Aus - SA - NZ - SA to win the comp.
That's one option. They really need to find a way to give all teams that make the finals a reasonable chance. So the finals becomes a fair contest not the farce it is now
Even with this current structure if the super rugby administrators had anyone with any common sense at all they would have set up a slight adjustment to ensure that one team having a travel schedule of SA >> back to NZ or Aust >>> back to SA or likewise for a SA team would never happen
It would have been so simple to do this. In the situation we have where the Chiefs are in SA they would always play the SA team. Its not difficult to work out that the Chiefs situation might occur and to inset a clause where if it does the Chiefs will play the SA team to reduce travel. as it is they have changed the structure and made it worse. Its makes it almost impossible for the Chiefs to win (as they are stuffed with the travel factor). So one semi is almost meaningless. as the Chiefs / Canes semi was last year. and if the Canes win likewise for the final. And it happened last year for the Chiefs too so its not a rare occurrence.
Under the current format, this years finals format is probably the best system. I don't think any team is disadvantaged commensurate to where they finished on the table.
And - of course - this will be the last year of the current format. Has anybody seen even a hint of how they're thinking about organising the whole comp next year, with 3 (maybe) teams dropped?
3 conferences of 5 teams each - NZ, Aus+Jp, Afr+Arg ?Ah - ignore me, a very quick google, and indeed - discover it was all announced months ago. And looks like it could address most of the issues/whinges people have currently.
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@Winger said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@nzzp said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
I quite like the idea of reducing travel by having the two conferences find a winner - ie an Australasian playoff, and then an African playoff. Kind of like the NFL playoffs - with NFC and AFC champs playing in a Superbowl. Would mean that the travel is inside the conference, and that one winner from each conference plays the Super Final. Cuts out the insanity of teams like the Chiefs having to potentially play Aus - SA - NZ - SA to win the comp.
That's one option. They really need to find a way to give all teams that make the finals a reasonable chance. So the finals becomes a fair contest not the farce it is now
Even with this current structure if the super rugby administrators had anyone with any common sense at all they would have set up a slight adjustment to ensure that one team having a travel schedule of SA >> back to NZ or Aust >>> back to SA or likewise for a SA team would never happen
It would have been so simple to do this. In the situation we have where the Chiefs are in SA they would always play the SA team. Its not difficult to work out that the Chiefs situation might occur and to inset a clause where if it does the Chiefs will play the SA team to reduce travel. as it is they have changed the structure and made it worse. Its makes it almost impossible for the Chiefs to win (as they are stuffed with the travel factor). So one semi is almost meaningless. as the Chiefs / Canes semi was last year. and if the Canes win likewise for the final. And it happened last year for the Chiefs too so its not a rare occurrence.
Under the current format, this years finals format is probably the best system. I don't think any team is disadvantaged commensurate to where they finished on the table.
@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Winger said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@nzzp said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
I quite like the idea of reducing travel by having the two conferences find a winner - ie an Australasian playoff, and then an African playoff. Kind of like the NFL playoffs - with NFC and AFC champs playing in a Superbowl. Would mean that the travel is inside the conference, and that one winner from each conference plays the Super Final. Cuts out the insanity of teams like the Chiefs having to potentially play Aus - SA - NZ - SA to win the comp.
That's one option. They really need to find a way to give all teams that make the finals a reasonable chance. So the finals becomes a fair contest not the farce it is now
Even with this current structure if the super rugby administrators had anyone with any common sense at all they would have set up a slight adjustment to ensure that one team having a travel schedule of SA >> back to NZ or Aust >>> back to SA or likewise for a SA team would never happen
It would have been so simple to do this. In the situation we have where the Chiefs are in SA they would always play the SA team. Its not difficult to work out that the Chiefs situation might occur and to inset a clause where if it does the Chiefs will play the SA team to reduce travel. as it is they have changed the structure and made it worse. Its makes it almost impossible for the Chiefs to win (as they are stuffed with the travel factor). So one semi is almost meaningless. as the Chiefs / Canes semi was last year. and if the Canes win likewise for the final. And it happened last year for the Chiefs too so its not a rare occurrence.
Under the current format, this years finals format is probably the best system. I don't think any team is disadvantaged commensurate to where they finished on the table.
For the Crusaders for sure it is (last year it was great for the Canes so I thought it was a great system
). They two other NZ teams that might beat the Crusaders (Chiefs and Canes) in the semis or finals are completely stuffed by travel. -
@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Winger said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@nzzp said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
I quite like the idea of reducing travel by having the two conferences find a winner - ie an Australasian playoff, and then an African playoff. Kind of like the NFL playoffs - with NFC and AFC champs playing in a Superbowl. Would mean that the travel is inside the conference, and that one winner from each conference plays the Super Final. Cuts out the insanity of teams like the Chiefs having to potentially play Aus - SA - NZ - SA to win the comp.
That's one option. They really need to find a way to give all teams that make the finals a reasonable chance. So the finals becomes a fair contest not the farce it is now
Even with this current structure if the super rugby administrators had anyone with any common sense at all they would have set up a slight adjustment to ensure that one team having a travel schedule of SA >> back to NZ or Aust >>> back to SA or likewise for a SA team would never happen
It would have been so simple to do this. In the situation we have where the Chiefs are in SA they would always play the SA team. Its not difficult to work out that the Chiefs situation might occur and to inset a clause where if it does the Chiefs will play the SA team to reduce travel. as it is they have changed the structure and made it worse. Its makes it almost impossible for the Chiefs to win (as they are stuffed with the travel factor). So one semi is almost meaningless. as the Chiefs / Canes semi was last year. and if the Canes win likewise for the final. And it happened last year for the Chiefs too so its not a rare occurrence.
Under the current format, this years finals format is probably the best system. I don't think any team is disadvantaged commensurate to where they finished on the table.
For the Crusaders for sure it is (last year it was great for the Canes so I thought it was a great system
). They two other NZ teams that might beat the Crusaders (Chiefs and Canes) in the semis or finals are completely stuffed by travel.@Winger I'm not worried mate we will travel to CHCH and beat the Saders to make it back to back championships
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@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Winger said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@nzzp said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
I quite like the idea of reducing travel by having the two conferences find a winner - ie an Australasian playoff, and then an African playoff. Kind of like the NFL playoffs - with NFC and AFC champs playing in a Superbowl. Would mean that the travel is inside the conference, and that one winner from each conference plays the Super Final. Cuts out the insanity of teams like the Chiefs having to potentially play Aus - SA - NZ - SA to win the comp.
That's one option. They really need to find a way to give all teams that make the finals a reasonable chance. So the finals becomes a fair contest not the farce it is now
Even with this current structure if the super rugby administrators had anyone with any common sense at all they would have set up a slight adjustment to ensure that one team having a travel schedule of SA >> back to NZ or Aust >>> back to SA or likewise for a SA team would never happen
It would have been so simple to do this. In the situation we have where the Chiefs are in SA they would always play the SA team. Its not difficult to work out that the Chiefs situation might occur and to inset a clause where if it does the Chiefs will play the SA team to reduce travel. as it is they have changed the structure and made it worse. Its makes it almost impossible for the Chiefs to win (as they are stuffed with the travel factor). So one semi is almost meaningless. as the Chiefs / Canes semi was last year. and if the Canes win likewise for the final. And it happened last year for the Chiefs too so its not a rare occurrence.
Under the current format, this years finals format is probably the best system. I don't think any team is disadvantaged commensurate to where they finished on the table.
For the Crusaders for sure it is (last year it was great for the Canes so I thought it was a great system
). They two other NZ teams that might beat the Crusaders (Chiefs and Canes) in the semis or finals are completely stuffed by travel.@Winger whether it's the Saders, Canes, Landers or Chiefs, whoever finishes top of the NZ conference are going to get an advantage come playoff time. If the Saders finished somewhere other than top I would expect the travel and the fate in the hands of other results.
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The Hurricanes repeat title hopes may well have died in the 54th minute of the Maori Vs Lions....
@Bones Please explain, you lost me.
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@Bones Please explain, you lost me.
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@Bones Please explain, you lost me.
@Wreck-Diver see above.
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@Wreck-Diver see above.
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@Bones Proctor your taking the piss.
@Wreck-Diver I'll be sure to pass it onto him?
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@Wreck-Diver I'll be sure to pass it onto him?
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@Bones please do because he doesn't make the starting 15 and is at best a bench player.
@Wreck-Diver said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Bones please do because he doesn't make the starting 15 and is at best a bench player.
Hah! Riiiight...what is that based on? The fact that until injured he was the starting centre for the Canes and their best player? Or the fact that they haven't quite been the same team since he got injured?
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@Wreck-Diver said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Bones please do because he doesn't make the starting 15 and is at best a bench player.
Hah! Riiiight...what is that based on? The fact that until injured he was the starting centre for the Canes and their best player? Or the fact that they haven't quite been the same team since he got injured?
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Proctor was a loss.
But Aso has really stepped up, right now I'm not sure that Proctor would just walk back in. -
@Darren-Nicholson I think his defence alone would walk him in, that's not even taking into account how good he is at distribution/using space.
@Bones Proctor played a couple of games at the beginning of the season got injured came back got injured against the Lions (BIL that is). He's named as a utility in the squad. Aso came in and has played consistent rugby all season based on his consistency and being joint top try scorer he holds is position ahead of Proctor even he was fit after the Maori game.
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@Bones Proctor played a couple of games at the beginning of the season got injured came back got injured against the Lions (BIL that is). He's named as a utility in the squad. Aso came in and has played consistent rugby all season based on his consistency and being joint top try scorer he holds is position ahead of Proctor even he was fit after the Maori game.
@Wreck-Diver yeah, 7 games is only a couple? Consistently selected ahead of Aso when fit, that's an odd one when according to you, Aso holds his place. That's not what I call holding your place.
He's been the number 13 when fit this year and last.
The stats are pretty telling too. Especially considering he's played less than half as many minutes as Aso ( who has been excellent on the wing, but pretty average at centre, especially when you look at defence, turnovers and breaking tackles).
https://www.alloutrugby.com/stats/?seasonid=32&view=player_vs_player&action=main
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@Wreck-Diver yeah, 7 games is only a couple? Consistently selected ahead of Aso when fit, that's an odd one when according to you, Aso holds his place. That's not what I call holding your place.
He's been the number 13 when fit this year and last.
The stats are pretty telling too. Especially considering he's played less than half as many minutes as Aso ( who has been excellent on the wing, but pretty average at centre, especially when you look at defence, turnovers and breaking tackles).
https://www.alloutrugby.com/stats/?seasonid=32&view=player_vs_player&action=main
@Bones Stats don't mean shit. You say the Canes wont win back to back because Proctor is injured, bullshit. You even have said you don't trust J Barrett because defence. Well sorry Aso on current form makes the team in my book and is joint top try scorer in the comp as you say playing an average game at centre
Oh and I nearly forgot Proctors got a fuckin top knock and that just rules him out -
@Bones Stats don't mean shit. You say the Canes wont win back to back because Proctor is injured, bullshit. You even have said you don't trust J Barrett because defence. Well sorry Aso on current form makes the team in my book and is joint top try scorer in the comp as you say playing an average game at centre
Oh and I nearly forgot Proctors got a fuckin top knock and that just rules him out@Wreck-Diver I agree and so do the selectors, Aso makes the team. On the wing.
Stats help tell a story. So does consistently getting selected ahead of another player.
No idea what Barrett has to do with it.
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@Bones Stats don't mean shit. You say the Canes wont win back to back because Proctor is injured, bullshit. You even have said you don't trust J Barrett because defence. Well sorry Aso on current form makes the team in my book and is joint top try scorer in the comp as you say playing an average game at centre
Oh and I nearly forgot Proctors got a fuckin top knock and that just rules him out@Wreck-Diver by the way you may want to re-read my post when the mania has passed. That word "may"....
