Lions v Hurricanes (SF)
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@hydro11 said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Winger said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
Nah that's a YC all day. Hot on attack, and they had quick ball and Barrett impeded that. Doesn't matter that it was an accident.
Its not. Its just shocking reffing
Umm no, it's the right decision.
Why? It's inadvertent! You can't have a deterrent for inadvertent play. It's a joke.
You have to penalise regardless of intent - otherwise it becomes a game of who can "act the innocent" the best. Hence the wording around the new head-contact rules... it's not about intent, but "reckless", "avoidable", etc.
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Yes
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@antipodean said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@KiwiMurph said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@antipodean Impeded the Lions attack. Beaudie kicked the ball to the Canes side.
For a YC you'd have to be convinced that it was deliberate.
Yeah, my understanding is that it has to be a professional foul to be a YC - I.E. intentional. Tough call, can see why he thought it was cynical but the replay showed it was accidental. Shit happens, Peyper is generally pretty good.
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Fuck that is dodgy. That is fucking not on
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@Kruse said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@hydro11 said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Winger said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
Nah that's a YC all day. Hot on attack, and they had quick ball and Barrett impeded that. Doesn't matter that it was an accident.
Its not. Its just shocking reffing
Umm no, it's the right decision.
Why? It's inadvertent! You can't have a deterrent for inadvertent play. It's a joke.
You have to penalise regardless of intent - otherwise it becomes a game of who can "act the innocent" the best. Hence the wording around the new head-contact rules... it's not about intent, but "reckless", "avoidable", etc.
That what's the point of a YC! They exist to discourage deliberate and illegal infringements.
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@No-Quarter said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@antipodean said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@KiwiMurph said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@antipodean Impeded the Lions attack. Beaudie kicked the ball to the Canes side.
For a YC you'd have to be convinced that it was deliberate.
Yeah, my understanding is that it has to be a professional foul to be a YC - I.E. intentional. Tough call, can see why he thought it was cynical but the replay showed it was accidental. Shit happens, Peyper is generally pretty good.
He just shat the bed by not binning Riccitelli. Bizarrely inconsistent refereeing.
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@hydro11 said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Kruse said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@hydro11 said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Winger said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
Nah that's a YC all day. Hot on attack, and they had quick ball and Barrett impeded that. Doesn't matter that it was an accident.
Its not. Its just shocking reffing
Umm no, it's the right decision.
Why? It's inadvertent! You can't have a deterrent for inadvertent play. It's a joke.
You have to penalise regardless of intent - otherwise it becomes a game of who can "act the innocent" the best. Hence the wording around the new head-contact rules... it's not about intent, but "reckless", "avoidable", etc.
That what's the point of a YC! They exist to discourage deliberate and illegal infringements.
So Barrett deliberately moved his legs and it moved the ball out of the ruck. So yes it was deliberate.
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So...when the Lions came up against a nz team they'd be found out
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@gt12 said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
Well, I think the Lions have shown that they're at least one of the best two teams in the comp.
I'm off to bed, we'll see them next week.
Riccitelli yellow should get yellow for that. Terrible.
I think it shows they're one of the top 4 teams in the comp. Credit to them, but if they start like that in a match in NZ they're behind by 50 by now, so not convinced by top 2.
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@hydro11 said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Kruse said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@hydro11 said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Winger said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
Nah that's a YC all day. Hot on attack, and they had quick ball and Barrett impeded that. Doesn't matter that it was an accident.
Its not. Its just shocking reffing
Umm no, it's the right decision.
Why? It's inadvertent! You can't have a deterrent for inadvertent play. It's a joke.
You have to penalise regardless of intent - otherwise it becomes a game of who can "act the innocent" the best. Hence the wording around the new head-contact rules... it's not about intent, but "reckless", "avoidable", etc.
That what's the point of a YC! They exist to discourage deliberate and illegal infringements.
Yep - fair enough - apologies, hungover and drunk and didn't think through what you were suggesting.
Definitely - penalty, because... intent is irrelevant. YC - bullshit, and yes - that's where intent, or recklessness-re-player-safety is relevant. -
@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@hydro11 said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Kruse said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@hydro11 said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Winger said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
Nah that's a YC all day. Hot on attack, and they had quick ball and Barrett impeded that. Doesn't matter that it was an accident.
Its not. Its just shocking reffing
Umm no, it's the right decision.
Why? It's inadvertent! You can't have a deterrent for inadvertent play. It's a joke.
You have to penalise regardless of intent - otherwise it becomes a game of who can "act the innocent" the best. Hence the wording around the new head-contact rules... it's not about intent, but "reckless", "avoidable", etc.
That what's the point of a YC! They exist to discourage deliberate and illegal infringements.
So Barrett deliberately moved his legs and it moved the ball out of the ruck. So yes it was deliberate.
Don't be obtuse. He didn't intentionally touch the ball.
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@Kruse said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@hydro11 said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Winger said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
Nah that's a YC all day. Hot on attack, and they had quick ball and Barrett impeded that. Doesn't matter that it was an accident.
Its not. Its just shocking reffing
Umm no, it's the right decision.
Why? It's inadvertent! You can't have a deterrent for inadvertent play. It's a joke.
You have to penalise regardless of intent - otherwise it becomes a game of who can "act the innocent" the best. Hence the wording around the new head-contact rules... it's not about intent, but "reckless", "avoidable", etc.
Nonsense. The laws and relevant guidelines permit a simple penalty for a head high tackle.
@hydro11 said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@No-Quarter said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@antipodean said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@KiwiMurph said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@antipodean Impeded the Lions attack. Beaudie kicked the ball to the Canes side.
For a YC you'd have to be convinced that it was deliberate.
Yeah, my understanding is that it has to be a professional foul to be a YC - I.E. intentional. Tough call, can see why he thought it was cynical but the replay showed it was accidental. Shit happens, Peyper is generally pretty good.
He just shat the bed by not binning Riccitelli. Bizarrely inconsistent refereeing.
Agreed. That's a clear YC. Riccitelli never on side to play at that ball.
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Rubbish tactics and coaching. Lost kicking batttle and Boyd waaaaay too late with the subs.
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@hydro11 said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@hydro11 said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Kruse said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@hydro11 said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Winger said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
Nah that's a YC all day. Hot on attack, and they had quick ball and Barrett impeded that. Doesn't matter that it was an accident.
Its not. Its just shocking reffing
Umm no, it's the right decision.
Why? It's inadvertent! You can't have a deterrent for inadvertent play. It's a joke.
You have to penalise regardless of intent - otherwise it becomes a game of who can "act the innocent" the best. Hence the wording around the new head-contact rules... it's not about intent, but "reckless", "avoidable", etc.
That what's the point of a YC! They exist to discourage deliberate and illegal infringements.
So Barrett deliberately moved his legs and it moved the ball out of the ruck. So yes it was deliberate.
Don't be obtuse. He didn't intentionally touch the ball.
So someone or something else forced him to touch the ball?
Don't be so ignorant.
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@antipodean said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Kruse said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@hydro11 said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@Winger said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@ACT-Crusader said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
Nah that's a YC all day. Hot on attack, and they had quick ball and Barrett impeded that. Doesn't matter that it was an accident.
Its not. Its just shocking reffing
Umm no, it's the right decision.
Why? It's inadvertent! You can't have a deterrent for inadvertent play. It's a joke.
You have to penalise regardless of intent - otherwise it becomes a game of who can "act the innocent" the best. Hence the wording around the new head-contact rules... it's not about intent, but "reckless", "avoidable", etc.
Nonsense. The laws and relevant guidelines permit a simple penalty for a head high tackle.
@hydro11 said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@No-Quarter said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@antipodean said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@KiwiMurph said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
@antipodean Impeded the Lions attack. Beaudie kicked the ball to the Canes side.
For a YC you'd have to be convinced that it was deliberate.
Yeah, my understanding is that it has to be a professional foul to be a YC - I.E. intentional. Tough call, can see why he thought it was cynical but the replay showed it was accidental. Shit happens, Peyper is generally pretty good.
He just shat the bed by not binning Riccitelli. Bizarrely inconsistent refereeing.
Agreed. That's a clear YC. Riccitelli never on side to play at that ball.
It makes up for them "not having any other angles"
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@Billy-Tell said in Lions v Hurricanes (SF):
So...when the Lions came up against a nz team they'd be found out
They were. Game should have been over after 30 minutes. The reason we lost is because of stupid strategic decisions we made around the half time period. I think if NMS releases the ball after 35 minutes, we win. If BB doesn't do the grubber kick after 42 minutes, we also win.
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Fuck you TJ.
I'm going to bed.
Well done Lions. I hope the Crusaders pump you.
