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Lions v Crusaders - Super Rugby Final

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  • mimicM mimic

    That's great, the only non south African ref is a hometown ref..

    RiP Crusaders

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    @mimic said in Lions v Crusaders - Super Rugby Final:

    That's great, the only non south African ref is a hometown ref..

    RiP Crusaders

    Someone's done a deal there

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      This is good for the Crusaders. Peyper is not a hometown ref IMO, and following last week if anything he will overcompensate to prove he isn't one.

      Also Peyper grew up in Bloemfontein and went to Grey College. There is every chance he grew up with as much loyalty to the Lions as a Crusaders fan would for the Blues. He isn't going to blow his international career over a relatively unimportant fixture like this.

      Probably should have had a neutral or NZ TMO from an optics stand point.

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        I like Peyper as a referee, I think he's excellent and anything but partisan. He's prone to the odd crap decision, but that's just the game of rugby being incredibly hard to referee. Gardner would have made more sense, but Peyper is still the choice I expected and think is an OK choice. I don't get the hate for Marius vdW, I think he's been very good this year (and the last, I believe).

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            Yeah I like how Peyper manages a game, probably in the top 3 going around IMO. I agree with SANZAR that it's merit based because he's an excellent ref. Congrats to him.

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              Jack O'Piper is a good ref and communicates well. I'm sure he won't be consciously biased. And all refs tend to favour the home team. I'd have preferred Gardner, who I rate a notch above Glen (Ireland's favourite ref).

              The bigger issue is the TMO, and, in particular, who controls the replays which are chosen. IMHO that is where the most heinous bias is shown. I'm recalling Messam tackle, which Burger did not complain about real time, but TV replays forced ref to come back to after the event.

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                What pisses me off is where was this merit based ref selection during the Lions series? Instead of having a guy like Nigel Owens in charge we get those french fucks because they are "neutral".

                I understand it's SANZAAR vs WR but some consistency wouldn't hurt.

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                  SuperSports analysis on lineout and mauls

                  https://streamable.com/04dxq

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                    Unchanged Lions squad for the final:

                    1 Jacques van Rooyen
                    2 Malcolm Marx
                    3 Ruan Dreyer
                    4 Andries Ferreira
                    5 Franco Mostert
                    6 Jaco Kriel ©
                    7 Albertus “Kwagga” Smith
                    8 Ruan Ackermann
                    9 Ross Cronje
                    10 Elton Jantjies
                    11 Courtnall Skosan
                    12 Harold Vorster
                    13 Lionel Mapoe
                    14 Ruan Combrinck
                    15 Andries Coetzee

                    Reserves
                    16 Akker vd Merwe
                    17 Corne Fourie
                    18 Johannes Jonker
                    19 Lourens Erasmus
                    20 Cyle Brink
                    21 Faf de Klerk
                    22 Rohan Janse van Re
                    23 Sylvian Mahuza

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                      SuperSports analysis on lineout and mauls

                      https://streamable.com/04dxq

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                      @antipodean

                      Am i missing something here, these guys keep on talking about sacking is tackling 1 player. But the maul laws is about tackling the ball carrier, whether the maul is set or not if the ball player is tackled its within the law

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                        Razor has also named an unchanged squad.

                        This is the Crusaders team for the final:

                        1 Joe Moody
                        2 Codie Taylor
                        3 Owen Franks
                        4 Scott Barrett
                        5 Sam Whitelock (C)
                        6 Jordan Taufua
                        7 Matt Todd (VC)
                        8 Kieran Read
                        9 Bryn Hall
                        10 Richie Mo'unga
                        11 Seta Tamanivalu
                        12 Ryan Crotty (VC)
                        13 Jack Goodhue
                        14 Israel Dagg
                        15 David Havili

                        RESERVES
                        16 Ben Funnell
                        17 Wyatt Crockett
                        18 Michael Alaalatoa
                        19 Luke Romano
                        20 Pete Samu
                        21 Mitchell Drummond
                        22 Mitchell Hunt
                        23 George Bridge

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                          @antipodean

                          Am i missing something here, these guys keep on talking about sacking is tackling 1 player. But the maul laws is about tackling the ball carrier, whether the maul is set or not if the ball player is tackled its within the law

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                          And the laws of the game does not clarify collapsing of the maul at all

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                            Razor's presser with the team naming:

                            http://www.facebook.com/crusadersrugby/videos/10155683738292147/

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                              Razor's presser with the team naming:

                              http://www.facebook.com/crusadersrugby/videos/10155683738292147/

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                              @Stargazer it's amazing to think that he's coached a side to the top of the comp. He comes across as a lanky laid back surfer who's coaching a social pub side, co-sponsored by the local hemp store and KFC.

                              Seems a really good coach though, and the pros love him just as much as the schoolboys.

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                                  Podcast: Sumo & Mils

                                  https://www.rugbypass.com/news/listen-short-ball-super-rugby-final-special-scotty-mils

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                                    @antipodean

                                    Am i missing something here, these guys keep on talking about sacking is tackling 1 player. But the maul laws is about tackling the ball carrier, whether the maul is set or not if the ball player is tackled its within the law

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                                    @Rebound said in Lions v Crusaders - Super Rugby Final:

                                    @Rebound

                                    And the laws of the game does not clarify collapsing of the maul at all

                                    Because you aren't collapsing a maul, you're tackling the ball carrier. Given the definition of a maul requires the ball carrier to be held by an opposition player, if you immediately tackle him, he isn't held.

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                                      Who remembers the first Super Rugby 10 final? I was 16. English and Afrikaans commentating.

                                      Loved how the crowd counts when Grant Fox takes his kick. So much memories that day.

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                                        @antipodean I saw something on TV today saying that no Crusader fans would likely have been unable to get to go to watch this game (unless they anticipated this game weeks ago) as it takes about a month for a SA Visa at present

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                                          @antipodean I saw something on TV today saying that no Crusader fans would likely have been unable to get to go to watch this game (unless they anticipated this game weeks ago) as it takes about a month for a SA Visa at present

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                                          @taniwharugby Lots of Crusaders fans already in SA!

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