What are your training goals for 2013?
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unless you crank up the incline you are essentially jumping up and down, you aren't actually pushing your body forward via your legs as you would if you were running on the ground. In my experience unless you have the incline set you don't feel it as much in your calf muscles compared to running off a treadmill. At least that is my understanding of it
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I read, many years ago I might add, that studies had shown treadmill running was better for you than road running (like for like) due to your sub-conscious knowing when you are on the treadmill, your body is there to exercise, whereas road running there are trees, dogs, cars etc...that said, IIRC the difference was only like 5% or so...
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better as in more effective or less chance of injury?? When I am on a treadmill I can't help but fixate on the time - really screws me over. But running outside I target a set distance and running feels easier.
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Was going to say the PBs are good by a social runners standard but when you look at the elites its a different world.<br />
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Marathon for instance 4 hours is a good marathon time for Joe average. I ran a 3:09 placed me 164th out of 2000 so well inside top 10 % of runners. The elites however are under 2:30 and the top pros are under 2:10. Its literraly a different sport at that level.<br />
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My training at the moment consists of<br />
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8Km Run Tuesday morning before work<br />
10Km Run Thursday morning before work<br />
Rugby on Saturday (Till April then I retire the boots)<br />
Long Run Sunday Morning At the moment about 16K but it varies. Beofe a Marathon I build this up to around the 35 - 38 k length<br />
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All training is done at about 4:45 to 5 min Ks though occassionally a bit faster. Thats just my comfortable pace.<br />
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What are the police fit test requirements? Might be a good goal to add.<br />
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EDIT: Just looked it up 2.4K in 10:50 so probably not that challanging at my current fitness level.<br />
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better as in more effective or less chance of injury?? When I am on a treadmill I can't help but fixate on the time - really screws me over. But running outside I target a set distance and running feels easier.<br />
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better as in for your training...improvement, fitness etc...not sure on injuries. -
my goal is just for my wife to get a lady-boner when i take my shirt off.<br />
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my goal is just for my wife to get a lady-boner when i take my shirt off.<br />
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i may be biting off more than i can chew<br />
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Understatement of the year. Perhaps the century.<br />
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[quote name='Paekakboyz' timestamp='1359491022' post='340368']<br />
unless you crank up the incline you are essentially jumping up and down, you aren't actually pushing your body forward via your legs as you would if you were running on the ground. In my experience unless you have the incline set you don't feel it as much in your calf muscles compared to running off a treadmill. At least that is my understanding of it<br />
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I've been told by a few PTs that on a treadmill you should ALWAYS have the incline at least 1.5 so that it mimics leaning into the road.<br />
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Personally, I friggen hate the treadmill. Just standing in one spot, no wind, nothing to focus on but that annoying noise and the stupid clock.<br />
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Treadmill is a great option for me personally, Ive had three major knee operations through rugby. I can run barefoot on my TM with all the comfort in the world. I run at a 2% incline.<br />
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Understatement of the year. Perhaps the century.<br />
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easy tubby....<br />
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I always hated road running. The only thing i was ever any good at, and i hated it. Got bored.<br />
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I don't know how any of you are still able to hit the pavement. Even in brand new runners, these days all i get is pains in my ankles and knees. -
[quote]unless you crank up the incline you are essentially jumping up and down, you aren't actually pushing your body forward via your legs as you would if you were running on the ground. In my experience unless you have the incline set you don't feel it as much in your calf muscles compared to running off a treadmill. At least that is my understanding of it[/quote]<br />
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Yeah, you are not having to propel yourself forward basically. mariner, yeah, I have rapidly found 2 runs a week is all my joints and tendons can handle! But treadmill not so bad, can pound away on that more, springy as a springy thing. And unless I have the inlcine on, it feels like I am running downhill! So this morning when walking was at 9 (out of 15), don't know if that is degress or what), and when running 1.5, any lower and it's the downhill thing again. -
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I don't know how any of you are still able to hit the pavement. Even in brand new runners, these days all i get is pains in my ankles and knees.<br />
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I dont really enjoy road running...off road, tracks and the like, love it!
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[quote name='mariner4life' timestamp='1359501629' post='340414']my goal is just for my wife to get a lady-boner when i take my shirt off.<br />
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i may be biting off more than i can chew[/quote]Seems Raz thinks so too. <br />
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I fucking hate running. Haven't been for a run in years. Don't recall going for one at all since being over here so at least 5 years. -
Only got into running as once MR jnr came along the 4 hours or so it took to go for a bike ride disappeared into a pile of shit, piss, vomit, nappies & tears.<br />
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I also had to spend time looking after my son.<br />
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Am well into running now though. Running 20k's last week in one go probably gave me one of the biggest buzzes I've had in years. -
Not sure about the exact amount of incline but yes basically if its flat you don't need to push off as much so its easier. I once tried to run at 4 min mile pace on a treadmill, needless to say I was not able to for more then about 30 seconds.<br />
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I am not a major fan of hitting the roads but you run where you can and you accept that its just part of the training. Trail running is the bomb, as is hill running. If you find it hard the best thing is to get a training partner and chat as you run. Arthur Lydiard used to say if you can't hold a conversation while on a training run then your going to fast. Had an awesome run the other day here in Paris along the Seine through the snow was early and it was all powder and still snowing. Those are the days that you live for.<br />
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As for injuries I adopted the barefoot style nearly 2 years ago now and it has massively decreased the amount of injuries I get. Plus saved me a load of dosh in shoes, I still have the salme pair from 2 years ago. Its not for everyone but it works for me. It has actually made me a bit slower but I don't really care.<br />
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I would like to say there are not many places where you can admit to recording your weight every single day for 5 years and 2 months and it does not get a comment as being a bit odd. Thats what I love about this forum -
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Not sure about the exact amount of incline but yes basically if its flat you don't need to push off as much so its easier. I once tried to run at 4 min mile pace on a treadmill, needless to say I was not able to for more then about 30 seconds.<br />
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I am not a major fan of hitting the roads but you run where you can and you accept that its just part of the training. Trail running is the bomb, as is hill running. If you find it hard the best thing is to get a training partner and chat as you run. Arthur Lydiard used to say if you can't hold a conversation while on a training run then your going to fast. Had an awesome run the other day here in Paris along the Seine through the snow was early and it was all powder and still snowing. Those are the days that you live for.<br />
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As for injuries I adopted the barefoot style nearly 2 years ago now and it has massively decreased the amount of injuries I get. Plus saved me a load of dosh in shoes, I still have the salme pair from 2 years ago. Its not for everyone but it works for me. It has actually made me a bit slower but I don't really care.<br />
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I would like to say there are not many places where you can admit to recording your weight every single day for 5 years and 2 months and it does not get a comment as being a bit odd. Thats what I love about this forum<br />
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Do you run barefoot in parks around Paris bro? You must be nimble to sidestep all those land mine left by the poodle population!!! -
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Do you run barefoot in parks around Paris bro? You must be nimble to sidestep all those land mine left by the poodle population!!!<br />
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I live just on the outskirts and normally run up and down the river. I don't actually often whip the shoes off I have the Merrel Trail Glove shoes 4mm of sole ( when they were new, less now) no drop and totally flexible. -
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Yeah I find I'm not able to do the times that a mate of mine does in runners, but I love the barefoot thing. Current main shoes are the Vibram Bikila LS but I'm looking at another pair soonish based on the last 400km or so.<br />
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Never tried the 5 finger thing but they are on Amazon here for 65 euros, that's at least 30 euros cheaper then my other shoes so for that alone may be worth a try, what do you do about the sock situation there Nick, it actually gets quite cold here in the winter!
