Highlanders vs Blues
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From a neutral pot, you guys do realise that (apart from a draw) one team ends up winning and one team losing even when the both teams play well?
I get that it hurts to lose but that doesn't necessarily make the team rubbish. If the Blues had won that game should heads roll at the Highlanders? Of course not.
Yes, the Blues still need to find the way to get over the hurdle, I get that.
That was a soft YC away from a win IMO and that shows that above all they need support to finish the job not more sniping to erode confidence.
The other big difference in the game was AS. But then, we can't clone the worlds best halfback and give him to every franchise in NZ to even things up.
I thought it was an impressive losing performance, especially considering the makeshift loose forwards. Gatland made up for not being the very best 10 with a perfect kicking display.@crucial said in Highlanders vs Blues:
I thought it was an impressive losing performance, especially considering the makeshift loose forwards. Gatland made up for not being the very best 10 with a perfect kicking display.
Yup.. they did slightly better than I was expecting. Some positive signs in attack, last year I thought we looked extremely easy to defend against
A bonus point away loss given the loosie situation isn’t too bad. The first five weeks is about damage limitation, we only have one home game and the injuries are concentrated in a couple of positions.
Akira looked sharp. Eight is his correct position
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So good to have the rugby back. Great game to start. Both sides looked pretty good for their first game. A Smith and B Smith showing their class.
Funny to see people complain about the yellow. Last year at the start of the super seasonthat was red. Show how fucked the policing of that area is. I fully expect that same tackle will be both red and penalty only at some point this season.
The communicator pulled of probably his best ever play at super level for the Ioane try. He is still mud though.
Akira really needs to shelve his tough guy from the mean streets attitude. No need to come running in for a shove. It will cost him one day.
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Let's be honest here; Nutbrown is a clown of a ref. Highlander's try in the 30th minute was off a clearly forward pass and wtf at the maul call at the end? "I've had enough and that's technically a maul for .032 seconds so fuck you Auckland"?
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Let's be honest here; Nutbrown is a clown of a ref. Highlander's try in the 30th minute was off a clearly forward pass and wtf at the maul call at the end? "I've had enough and that's technically a maul for .032 seconds so fuck you Auckland"?
@antipodean said in Highlanders vs Blues:
Let's be honest here; Nutbrown is a clown of a ref. Highlander's try in the 30th minute was off a clearly forward pass and wtf at the maul call at the end? "I've had enough and that's technically a maul for .032 seconds so fuck you Auckland"?
What interested me about that last call is that if he determined a maul he must then determine whether it was collapsed or the ball carrier went to ground himself but failed to make the ball available. He blew the whistle very quickly and took the easy way out.
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Man, didn't realize how much I missed Super Rugby / the NZ derbies. Worth staying up late for on a school night. Watched the first two weeks of 6N and the difference in speed is still there.
Not sure about the new rules at the ruck. Although I do like the new 'swipping at the ball to attempt an unlikely catch' rule. -
From a neutral pot, you guys do realise that (apart from a draw) one team ends up winning and one team losing even when the both teams play well?
I get that it hurts to lose but that doesn't necessarily make the team rubbish. If the Blues had won that game should heads roll at the Highlanders? Of course not.
Yes, the Blues still need to find the way to get over the hurdle, I get that.
That was a soft YC away from a win IMO and that shows that above all they need support to finish the job not more sniping to erode confidence.
The other big difference in the game was AS. But then, we can't clone the worlds best halfback and give him to every franchise in NZ to even things up.
I thought it was an impressive losing performance, especially considering the makeshift loose forwards. Gatland made up for not being the very best 10 with a perfect kicking display. -
@crucial after the Blues performance last night, it's going to be extremely tough opening two weeks on the road for the Chiefs.
@jaycee said in Highlanders vs Blues:
@crucial after the Blues performance last night, it's going to be extremely tough opening two weeks on the road for the Chiefs.
Yeah. Always was going to be.
As I keep saying. The NZ conference is massively difficult and coming third, fourth or fifth can come down to a few moments, injures or calls. Someone has to come last and they aren’t necessarily shite -
No one going to comment on that nice piece of play from Collins at the end there? A nice step and offload that put the Landers under pressure at the next phases leading to a penalty.
@crucial said in Highlanders vs Blues:
No one going to comment on that nice piece of play from Collins at the end there? A nice step and offload that put the Landers under pressure at the next phases leading to a penalty.
Did a couple of good things to make half breaks. Imagine if Nanai had been in those positions ...
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So good to have the rugby back. Great game to start. Both sides looked pretty good for their first game. A Smith and B Smith showing their class.
Funny to see people complain about the yellow. Last year at the start of the super seasonthat was red. Show how fucked the policing of that area is. I fully expect that same tackle will be both red and penalty only at some point this season.
The communicator pulled of probably his best ever play at super level for the Ioane try. He is still mud though.
Akira really needs to shelve his tough guy from the mean streets attitude. No need to come running in for a shove. It will cost him one day.
@pukunui said in Highlanders vs Blues:
So good to have the rugby back. Great game to start. Both sides looked pretty good for their first game. A Smith and B Smith showing their class.
Funny to see people complain about the yellow. Last year at the start of the super seasonthat was red. Show how fucked the policing of that area is. I fully expect that same tackle will be both red and penalty only at some point this season.
The communicator pulled of probably his best ever play at super level for the Ioane try. He is still mud though.
Akira really needs to shelve his tough guy from the mean streets attitude. No need to come running in for a shove. It will cost him one day.
I agree with big-gut-guy here. Yellow at least. Direct forceful contact with the head. Lucky it wasn't red.
As for Squire good decision. Late and unnecessary. No head contact. Advantage played. Try scored. Move on.
Interesting to see how who you support skews you view on the above.
BTW I wanted the Blues to win.
Liked what i saw from Paddy T's few minutes. Looked angry.
Scrafton is bigger than I recall.
Good game to watch through a slight red win haze.
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You just no it’s not gonna be your night when when there’s daylight Reiko Ioane and the ball rolls over the touch line.
@steven-harris said in Highlanders vs Blues:
You just no it’s not gonna be your night when when there’s daylight Reiko Ioane and the ball rolls over the touch line.
I do wonder if the Blues should have been awarded a penalty for the Highlander (Squire?) pushed Ioane way back at the start of that chase?
If he hadn’t have been pushed off balance he would have collected that ball before it went into touch. -
Enjoyable first game. Thought Pulu was really poor. Collins was better than expected. Squire was good.
But my wet dream will be BFA. Looked super refreshed and ready to rumble.
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Some random thoughts
SBW is slow as hell in the open field. Strictly a 12 only - cant be considered for 13.
Naholo and Rieko were both excellent - brilliant to watch.
Rob 'Matchbox 20' Thompson really strong.
Akira made a statement - workrate up - looks bloody fit - x factor galore. Outplayed Luke Whitelock.
Pulu clearly outplayed by Aaron Smith but by no means was he poor - error free, was decisive at ruck time, made good captaincy choices.
Gatland's boot a huge step up from Ihaia.
Preston looked out of his depth - I had my suspicions when Steve Bates talked him up - sure enough.
Nutbrown wasnt atrocious but he isnt a very good ref - Highlanders got the rub of the green.
Cracking game considering first for both.
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Some random thoughts
SBW is slow as hell in the open field. Strictly a 12 only - cant be considered for 13.
Naholo and Rieko were both excellent - brilliant to watch.
Rob 'Matchbox 20' Thompson really strong.
Akira made a statement - workrate up - looks bloody fit - x factor galore. Outplayed Luke Whitelock.
Pulu clearly outplayed by Aaron Smith but by no means was he poor - error free, was decisive at ruck time, made good captaincy choices.
Gatland's boot a huge step up from Ihaia.
Preston looked out of his depth - I had my suspicions when Steve Bates talked him up - sure enough.
Nutbrown wasnt atrocious but he isnt a very good ref - Highlanders got the rub of the green.
Cracking game considering first for both.
I am not convinced about the "Akira workrate up" observation.
Will wait and see, think he drifts in and out of games a lot, hard to argue with two tries but they were not super difficult, the second against A Smith more difficult but he should be scoring those tries. His lineout work looked pretty good at times on opposition throw.
No question he outplayed Whitelock L, how is Whitelock an AB number 8, can't break tackles or beat a man, the only thing he seemed to offer last night that he didn't really make any stupid mistakes and turn the ball over when he went into contact, and goes into contact without much impact.
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As a neutral, I think the better side won. The Blues can be brilliant but they lack the necessary composure to be clinical.
Positives :Hodgman can scrum.
Scrafton was very effective in the rucks. Good game from him.
Tuipolutu was very good when he came in.
Akira's workate has greatly improved. Early days admittedly, but he's on his way into the AB squad if he can keep on playing like that.
Gatland is better and quicker than I expected.
Collins was not as awful as most ferners think he is. Solid game despite the early penalties.
Squire has shown why he is an All Black (Whitelock not so).
Really impressed by Aaron Smith. Damned, he is really fit to get behind every ruck so quickly !
Walden was sharp in his both tries. Otherwise, he was very quiet.Negatives :
Coltman can't throw.
George Moala was pretty ineffective. From what I saw in this game, the Blues best backline should be : Collins - Duffy - Ioane - SBW - Nanai (or Duffy at fullback and Moala on the wing).
The Blues bench props were not up to the standard in terms of scrummaging. -
Here are the Ioane and Whitelock stats:
Tries 2:0
Ball carries 9:9
Good passes 2:3
Line breaks 0:0
Offloads 0:1
Tackle breaks 2:1
Turnovers conceded 1:0
Turnovers won 0:0
Tackles dominant 1:3
Tackles made 8:11
Tackles missed 1:2
Handling errors 2:1
Penalties 0:0
Lineouts stollen 0:0
Lineouts won 3:0 -
Here are the Ioane and Whitelock stats:
Tries 2:0
Ball carries 9:9
Good passes 2:3
Line breaks 0:0
Offloads 0:1
Tackle breaks 2:1
Turnovers conceded 1:0
Turnovers won 0:0
Tackles dominant 1:3
Tackles made 8:11
Tackles missed 1:2
Handling errors 2:1
Penalties 0:0
Lineouts stollen 0:0
Lineouts won 3:0@username said in Highlanders vs Blues:
Here are the Ioane and Whitelock stats:
Tries 2:0
Ball carries 9:9
Good passes 2:3
Line breaks 0:0
Offloads 0:1
Tackle breaks 2:1
Turnovers conceded 1:0
Turnovers won 0:0
Tackles dominant 1:3
Tackles made 8:11
Tackles missed 1:2
Handling errors 2:1
Penalties 0:0
Lineouts stollen 0:0
Lineouts won 3:0What is that saying about statistics?
There's lies, damn lies, then statistics ...
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Here are the Ioane and Whitelock stats:
Tries 2:0
Ball carries 9:9
Good passes 2:3
Line breaks 0:0
Offloads 0:1
Tackle breaks 2:1
Turnovers conceded 1:0
Turnovers won 0:0
Tackles dominant 1:3
Tackles made 8:11
Tackles missed 1:2
Handling errors 2:1
Penalties 0:0
Lineouts stollen 0:0
Lineouts won 3:0@username said in Highlanders vs Blues:
Here are the Ioane and Whitelock stats:
Tries 2:0
Ball carries 9:9
Good passes 2:3
Line breaks 0:0
Offloads 0:1
Tackle breaks 2:1
Turnovers conceded 1:0
Turnovers won 0:0
Tackles dominant 1:3
Tackles made 8:11
Tackles missed 1:2
Handling errors 2:1
Penalties 0:0
Lineouts stollen 0:0
Lineouts won 3:0Here endeth today's lesson about your opinion vs objective data.
Can I suggest every citizen on the planet retains this lesson for all aspects of life
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Stats are for selectors who don’t really watch the game.
How effective were each persons carries? How many defenders did they take out of he game during that carry? How much did they each lift their team with each dominant tackle? Was their good passing under pressure, or was the opposite 20m away?
I could go on, but stats are only half the story.
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The most import stat is errors keep them to a minimum and there’s a good chance your on the winning side of the ledger.
