Chiefs v Blues
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@steven-harris said in Chiefs v Blues:
@duluth agree,Parsons speaks of indiscipline,and the yellow card being the difference,No James,not having a strategy to get out of your own half was the big issue..,the high box kick was over used,what’s the definition of madness..?doing the same thing an expecting a different result..!
Jezz this frustrating...!,
Can’t wait for the Mitre 10 Cup to start.So reckon that they're coached to box kick and then completely ignore where the ball is going? Pretty sure that wouldn't be the case, seems like laziness to me.
@bones said in Chiefs v Blues:
@steven-harris said in Chiefs v Blues:
@duluth agree,Parsons speaks of indiscipline,and the yellow card being the difference,No James,not having a strategy to get out of your own half was the big issue..,the high box kick was over used,what’s the definition of madness..?doing the same thing an expecting a different result..!
Jezz this frustrating...!,
Can’t wait for the Mitre 10 Cup to start.So reckon that they're coached to box kick and then completely ignore where the ball is going? Pretty sure that wouldn't be the case, seems like laziness to me.
The ruck and kicking tactics had us making way more tackles than the Chiefs, and the players were fatigued. Amazed the score was so close, but that was down to this being a poor Chiefs team.
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@nzzp said in Chiefs v Blues:
@tim said in Chiefs v Blues:
Such a frustrating team. Keep the opposition scoreless for 43 minutes, but forget to use the ball.
We kick a shedload of ball away. Tough being in this conference - anywhere else and we'd be comfortably mid pack (and still not plaing great footy)
Thing is, Ruru's kicks didn't seem the greatest, but then they weren't going far so plenty of Blues players underneath...yet not one looking at the ball let alone attempting to catch (e.g. When Ofa almost got binned). What the fuck is up with that? Surely that's not the coach to blame.
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@stargazer said in Chiefs v Blues:
@hooroo Injured.
Cheers. I saw that part of the game but he looked pissed off so I was wondering if he was tactically subbed.
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@stargazer That's not difficult. Sam Nock would be afraid to touch the ball in a womens game.
We might have bee able to use the ball in the 2nd half if Perofeta stayed at 10 but Umaga stuffed that up by playing a 6-2 bench forcing Gatland to play at 10 once Moala went off which led to a lot of kicking.
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You could that result coming a mile off.
Chiefs did their best to stuff it but got there in the end.
Blues kicking game was bad. Stuck in their own half constantly and paid the price.
Much better ticker from the Blues but never really seriously looked like winning.
I cant get my head around those excusing the coach who is in year 3 with the Blues. What evidence is there that he should be excused from criticism?
Akira and Ruru the Blues standouts.
Duffie is awful now.
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@bones said in Chiefs v Blues:
@steven-harris said in Chiefs v Blues:
@duluth agree,Parsons speaks of indiscipline,and the yellow card being the difference,No James,not having a strategy to get out of your own half was the big issue..,the high box kick was over used,what’s the definition of madness..?doing the same thing an expecting a different result..!
Jezz this frustrating...!,
Can’t wait for the Mitre 10 Cup to start.So reckon that they're coached to box kick and then completely ignore where the ball is going? Pretty sure that wouldn't be the case, seems like laziness to me.
The ruck and kicking tactics had us making way more tackles than the Chiefs, and the players were fatigued. Amazed the score was so close, but that was down to this being a poor Chiefs team.
@kirwan said in Chiefs v Blues:
@bones said in Chiefs v Blues:
@steven-harris said in Chiefs v Blues:
@duluth agree,Parsons speaks of indiscipline,and the yellow card being the difference,No James,not having a strategy to get out of your own half was the big issue..,the high box kick was over used,what’s the definition of madness..?doing the same thing an expecting a different result..!
Jezz this frustrating...!,
Can’t wait for the Mitre 10 Cup to start.So reckon that they're coached to box kick and then completely ignore where the ball is going? Pretty sure that wouldn't be the case, seems like laziness to me.
The ruck and kicking tactics had us making way more tackles than the Chiefs, and the players were fatigued. Amazed the score was so close, but that was down to this being a poor Chiefs team.
I don't get it though, why not try and retrieve the ball from the kick? It was certainly achievable. That's not going to be down to the coach.
Plus leads to less tackling...
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Time for Tana to look in the mirror and do the right thing.. there’s an awesome forward coach in the shape of Tom Coventry who has been taking the development team and has got an impressive track record with Hawkes Bay,The Chiefs and North Harbour.
The guy within the Blues organisation that seems to escape any criticism is the high performance manager Tony Hanks who a bit to do with recruitment..
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@duluth said in Chiefs v Blues:
No improvement. Chiefs were terrible.
The other NZ sides would have won by 20
What rubbish.
@crucial said in Chiefs v Blues:
@duluth said in Chiefs v Blues:
No improvement. Chiefs were terrible.
The other NZ sides would have won by 20
What rubbish.
Completely agreed. Blues showed a lot of heart. The defensive system still looked terrible though. They couldn't get out of their half in the second half but I don't think that was really Gatland's fault. I think if the Chiefs had scored early in the half, the game could have been different. Perhaps the Blues could have got field position and got into the game.
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@tim Obviously it was to kick the ball straight to Alaimalo all night so he and their back 3 could run back 50 metres every time.
@african-monkey said in Chiefs v Blues:
@tim Obviously it was to kick the ball straight to Alaimalo all night so he and their back 3 could run back 50 metres every time.
I think in the last thirty they kicked it straight to Wainui five times in a row. It may have been stupid, but you have to admire their accuracy -- he barely needled to take a step before catching!
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I just think that comments along the line of 'Chiefs were shit, Blues were shitter' do both sides a disservice in a game with massive effort from both sides and flashes of brilliance here and there.
Yeah, Blues had a patch in the first half where they had their heads down and stopped communicating but they fought their way out of that scenario, got back in front and put in an excellent defensive effort.
Chiefs were smarter, and in a way the loss of DMac for his skill challenged brother actually hindered the Blues. Chiefs knew that the only way they would win from that point was to play very low risk rugby and maintain possession. When the Blues eventually got the ball in hand it was always in a bad position and the Chiefs would apply pressure to force errors. I hate to admit it, but it was a Crusaders like game after 30 minutes from the Chiefs.
I just can't see how the Chiefs were supposedly rubbish yet BBBR, Cane, Ardron, The front row, TTT and all the backs actually had good games. Again Messam made a difference helping with leadership and graft just when it was needed.
A post earlier said DMac had an alright game. FFS, that first Chiefs try was an absolute piece of first-five brilliance. He doubled around a 20 metre pass to create an overlap then executed a flick on overhead pass to set it away. I couldn't even work out how he featured twice at first. Aside from that his decision making and kicking from hand was looking good to that point.
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I just think that comments along the line of 'Chiefs were shit, Blues were shitter' do both sides a disservice in a game with massive effort from both sides and flashes of brilliance here and there.
Yeah, Blues had a patch in the first half where they had their heads down and stopped communicating but they fought their way out of that scenario, got back in front and put in an excellent defensive effort.
Chiefs were smarter, and in a way the loss of DMac for his skill challenged brother actually hindered the Blues. Chiefs knew that the only way they would win from that point was to play very low risk rugby and maintain possession. When the Blues eventually got the ball in hand it was always in a bad position and the Chiefs would apply pressure to force errors. I hate to admit it, but it was a Crusaders like game after 30 minutes from the Chiefs.
I just can't see how the Chiefs were supposedly rubbish yet BBBR, Cane, Ardron, The front row, TTT and all the backs actually had good games. Again Messam made a difference helping with leadership and graft just when it was needed.
A post earlier said DMac had an alright game. FFS, that first Chiefs try was an absolute piece of first-five brilliance. He doubled around a 20 metre pass to create an overlap then executed a flick on overhead pass to set it away. I couldn't even work out how he featured twice at first. Aside from that his decision making and kicking from hand was looking good to that point.
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@crucial Agree on effort. And DMac was superb in that try.
Sad to say, but I thought Blues were a lot better when JK went off. One of my faves, but seems a shadow of his former self.
@pakman said in Chiefs v Blues:
@crucial Agree on effort. And DMac was superb in that try.
Sad to say, but I thought Blues were a lot better when JK went off. One of my faves, but seems a shadow of his former self.
Looks to have fallen off the Rodders cliff, sadly.
Kind of highlights the performances of Messam in a way. 160 odd super games and adding value still.
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@pakman said in Chiefs v Blues:
@crucial Agree on effort. And DMac was superb in that try.
Sad to say, but I thought Blues were a lot better when JK went off. One of my faves, but seems a shadow of his former self.
Looks to have fallen off the Rodders cliff, sadly.
Kind of highlights the performances of Messam in a way. 160 odd super games and adding value still.
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@crucial Fairly old now, but disappointing that he doesn't APPEAR to be providing much leadership either.
@pakman said in Chiefs v Blues:
@crucial Fairly old now, but disappointing that he doesn't APPEAR to be providing much leadership either.
Possibly his little domestic troubles may have lowered his mana somewhat.
I know that is off-field, but I doubt he wanted to put his head up for a long while.
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I couldn't make out much of the Chiefs tactics in that 2nd half. The first half they had adopted a pretty much un-Chiefs like approach, that of direct, gutsy endless pick-and-gos not without profit having led to the first try; (good homework on the Blues deficiencies on D) but then in the 2nd half they went away from that completely, onto some fairly indirect headless chicken stuff, with plenty of spilled ball.
Yet AGAIN pulled out of the fire by BBBR (that guy is just godamn awesomeness on a plate) and I am loving the new-look dynamic young fulla Messam, with Cane as well = such committment to the cause every bloody week. Can I also just mention the efforts of Ta'avao who has really dug in for the Chiefs this season.
