Hurricanes v Sunwolves
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@unite said in Hurricanes v Sunwolves:
Missed the game, how did NMS go when he came on?
Pulled off his step on his first run, took some heavy contact and don’t break. Great cheer from the crowd when he came on.
Didn’t do a lot, but a start.
Savea had a very good game.
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I kept napping off but from what I could tell we really misses Laumapes penetration in the centres, I'm guessing he is just being rested?
@rembrandt said in Hurricanes v Sunwolves:
I kept napping off but from what I could tell we really misses Laumapes penetration in the centres, I'm guessing he is just being rested?
You were fine when you had the ball, you just couldn’t get it off them. Awful lineout too.
You scored pretty much every time you held possession for more than three phases.
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I can never understand score was flattering or one team lost but deserved to win. The Sunwolves had 90% territory after 30 minutes of the second half and manufactured one streaky (but well taken) try. The Hurricanes then had ten minutes of ball and scored three times. That isn't flattering. That is one team having a backline which can take chances when they get good ball and the other team not having that. The Sunwolves were plucky and I think put in much better performances on this tour than we expected. However, if they felt they deserved a closer score line, they should have defended better in the last ten minutes or done a bit more with all of their ball and territory.
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I can never understand score was flattering or one team lost but deserved to win. The Sunwolves had 90% territory after 30 minutes of the second half and manufactured one streaky (but well taken) try. The Hurricanes then had ten minutes of ball and scored three times. That isn't flattering. That is one team having a backline which can take chances when they get good ball and the other team not having that. The Sunwolves were plucky and I think put in much better performances on this tour than we expected. However, if they felt they deserved a closer score line, they should have defended better in the last ten minutes or done a bit more with all of their ball and territory.
@hydro11 said in Hurricanes v Sunwolves:
I can never understand score was flattering or one team lost but deserved to win. The Sunwolves had 90% territory after 30 minutes of the second half and manufactured one streaky (but well taken) try. The Hurricanes then had ten minutes of ball and scored three times. That isn't flattering. That is one team having a backline which can take chances when they get good ball and the other team not having that. The Sunwolves were plucky and I think put in much better performances on this tour than we expected. However, if they felt they deserved a closer score line, they should have defended better in the last ten minutes or done a bit more with all of their ball and territory.
A guy mentioned to me that the Melbourne Storm lost out on the possession stakes to the Warriors. Does that mean the game deserved to he closer? I think not. You don't need to dominate possession when every time you get the ball you score
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I can never understand score was flattering or one team lost but deserved to win. The Sunwolves had 90% territory after 30 minutes of the second half and manufactured one streaky (but well taken) try. The Hurricanes then had ten minutes of ball and scored three times. That isn't flattering. That is one team having a backline which can take chances when they get good ball and the other team not having that. The Sunwolves were plucky and I think put in much better performances on this tour than we expected. However, if they felt they deserved a closer score line, they should have defended better in the last ten minutes or done a bit more with all of their ball and territory.
@hydro11 I'm the opposite - I think a lot of sport is subjective and the team that has generally played better often loses relatively close contests - as much through bad luck as anything.
But, a test for you:
One team is ahead by four points. 80 minutes is up on the clock - in the last play of the game, the opposition wing dives into the corner - he's very close to the touchline - may be in or out and the live angle you've seen is totally inconclusive.
The match is over, you've watched the whole thing and, before they go upstairs to review the excellent footage that will be available from another angle - can you form an opinion on who deserved to win?
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I like rugby in that generally speaking the better team wins, whether that's based on awesome D or great attacking play. Can't always say the same for other sports, especially soccer where a tin arse goal or two can win a match against the odds.
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@hydro11 I'm the opposite - I think a lot of sport is subjective and the team that has generally played better often loses relatively close contests - as much through bad luck as anything.
But, a test for you:
One team is ahead by four points. 80 minutes is up on the clock - in the last play of the game, the opposition wing dives into the corner - he's very close to the touchline - may be in or out and the live angle you've seen is totally inconclusive.
The match is over, you've watched the whole thing and, before they go upstairs to review the excellent footage that will be available from another angle - can you form an opinion on who deserved to win?
@chris-b said in Hurricanes v Sunwolves:
@hydro11 I'm the opposite - I think a lot of sport is subjective and the team that has generally played better often loses relatively close contests - as much through bad luck as anything.
But, a test for you:
One team is ahead by four points. 80 minutes is up on the clock - in the last play of the game, the opposition wing dives into the corner - he's very close to the touchline - may be in or out and the live angle you've seen is totally inconclusive.
The match is over, you've watched the whole thing and, before they go upstairs to review the excellent footage that will be available from another angle - can you form an opinion on who deserved to win?
@chris-b said in Hurricanes v Sunwolves:
@hydro11 I'm the opposite - I think a lot of sport is subjective and the team that has generally played better often loses relatively close contests - as much through bad luck as anything.
But, a test for you:
One team is ahead by four points. 80 minutes is up on the clock - in the last play of the game, the opposition wing dives into the corner - he's very close to the touchline - may be in or out and the live angle you've seen is totally inconclusive.
The match is over, you've watched the whole thing and, before they go upstairs to review the excellent footage that will be available from another angle - can you form an opinion on who deserved to win?
No, I honestly don't think you can. The exception is refereeing decisions because you can't control that. Maybe bounce of the ball is one thing you could argue about but even then i would probably say one team deserved it.
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@unite said in Hurricanes v Sunwolves:
Missed the game, how did NMS go when he came on?
Pulled off his step on his first run, took some heavy contact and don’t break. Great cheer from the crowd when he came on.
Didn’t do a lot, but a start.
Savea had a very good game.
Missed the game, which Savea had a good game? Surely not the bus?
Yep, they have swapped. Ardie was terrible, and Julian had a high work rate, looked trim and was bowling people over. Not quite his old pace yet, but he looked good to me.
@kirwan said in Hurricanes v Sunwolves:
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@unite said in Hurricanes v Sunwolves:
Missed the game, how did NMS go when he came on?
Pulled off his step on his first run, took some heavy contact and don’t break. Great cheer from the crowd when he came on.
Didn’t do a lot, but a start.
Savea had a very good game.
Missed the game, which Savea had a good game? Surely not the bus?
Yep, they have swapped. Ardie was terrible, and Julian had a high work rate, looked trim and was bowling people over. Not quite his old pace yet, but he looked good to me.
We have to remember it was the Sunwolves...
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I like Riccitelli;s endeavour his work ethic and his commitment, but jeebus he has improve his throwing....
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@chris-b said in Hurricanes v Sunwolves:
@hydro11 I'm the opposite - I think a lot of sport is subjective and the team that has generally played better often loses relatively close contests - as much through bad luck as anything.
But, a test for you:
One team is ahead by four points. 80 minutes is up on the clock - in the last play of the game, the opposition wing dives into the corner - he's very close to the touchline - may be in or out and the live angle you've seen is totally inconclusive.
The match is over, you've watched the whole thing and, before they go upstairs to review the excellent footage that will be available from another angle - can you form an opinion on who deserved to win?
@chris-b said in Hurricanes v Sunwolves:
@hydro11 I'm the opposite - I think a lot of sport is subjective and the team that has generally played better often loses relatively close contests - as much through bad luck as anything.
But, a test for you:
One team is ahead by four points. 80 minutes is up on the clock - in the last play of the game, the opposition wing dives into the corner - he's very close to the touchline - may be in or out and the live angle you've seen is totally inconclusive.
The match is over, you've watched the whole thing and, before they go upstairs to review the excellent footage that will be available from another angle - can you form an opinion on who deserved to win?
No, I honestly don't think you can. The exception is refereeing decisions because you can't control that. Maybe bounce of the ball is one thing you could argue about but even then i would probably say one team deserved it.
@hydro11 Well, the correct answer to the hypothetical is that the Crusaders deserved to win.
But, in the event that they're not playing - you've given the ultra-objective answer to the question. I reckon it's much more subjective...and that makes for much more interesting post-game discussions!
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Julian Savea might be finding his mojo. He may be playing well.
But players don't suddenly "find" their old pace, like it slipped down the back of the sofa and he didn't look hard enough.
If he is to "find" some pace it will be in the off-season.
And I have a lovely bridge that you might like to buy, if you fall for that. Only one owner, a lovely Nigerian Prince.
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Didn't watch this, just watching the package in Rugby Nation. After J Barret's try I think jeezus christ, how did that try not get scrubbed out for obstruction. Then at the end there's s little piece on Aso's ruled out tries and TJ musing the TMO got too involved in this game.
Did he let Jordies go out of pity? Or get sick of having to stick his oar in all the time ....
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Julian Savea might be finding his mojo. He may be playing well.
But players don't suddenly "find" their old pace, like it slipped down the back of the sofa and he didn't look hard enough.
If he is to "find" some pace it will be in the off-season.
And I have a lovely bridge that you might like to buy, if you fall for that. Only one owner, a lovely Nigerian Prince.
@chester-draws said in Hurricanes v Sunwolves:
Julian Savea might be finding his mojo. He may be playing well.
But players don't suddenly "find" their old pace, like it slipped down the back of the sofa and he didn't look hard enough.
If he is to "find" some pace it will be in the off-season.
And I have a lovely bridge that you might like to buy, if you fall for that. Only one owner, a lovely Nigerian Prince.
Losing the weight might be a start, he’s looking trim. I agree with you, have an old memory of Savea or was it the Rok being sent to sevens to sharpen up and came back quicker.
