Blues v Sunwolves
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@taniwharugby Fair enough. I disagree.
@KiwiMurph tis funny how we can be watching the same player and have different views of how they played
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@Duluth said in Blues v Sunwolves:
@nzzp So Plummer should not start all season?
I don't think he shoudl start in Round 4, after a big travel game, in a team that's copped multiple changes, in a must win game, unless he's our new starting 10.
@nzzp said in Blues v Sunwolves:
@Duluth said in Blues v Sunwolves:
@nzzp So Plummer should not start all season?
I don't think he shoudl start in Round 4, after a big travel game, in a team that's copped multiple changes, in a must win game, unless he's our new starting 10.
What happens if Black gets injured in a few weeks? You need game time in your backups, and games against teams like the Sunwolves is when you do it.
Black will get on the field, so it’s not like he’s getting rusty.
The big plus with Plummer is he’s a very vocal player, and really drives the team around. Should give us good direction and isn’t afraid to take the line on.
Also won’t have to dick around hiding Black on the wing in defence as well.
Downside is goal kicking form.
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@KiwiMurph I thought Pulu was all over the shop, yes Ruru wasnt great either, but thought he still looked better than Pulu.
@taniwharugby said in Blues v Sunwolves:
@KiwiMurph I thought Pulu was all over the shop, yes Ruru wasnt great either, but thought he still looked better than Pulu.
Main problem with pulu still is how slow he is to clear the ball. He’s like trying to race with the handbrake on.
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@nzzp said in Blues v Sunwolves:
@Duluth said in Blues v Sunwolves:
@nzzp So Plummer should not start all season?
I don't think he shoudl start in Round 4, after a big travel game, in a team that's copped multiple changes, in a must win game, unless he's our new starting 10.
What happens if Black gets injured in a few weeks? You need game time in your backups, and games against teams like the Sunwolves is when you do it.
Black will get on the field, so it’s not like he’s getting rusty.
The big plus with Plummer is he’s a very vocal player, and really drives the team around. Should give us good direction and isn’t afraid to take the line on.
Also won’t have to dick around hiding Black on the wing in defence as well.
Downside is goal kicking form.
@Kirwan said in Blues v Sunwolves:
@nzzp said in Blues v Sunwolves:
@Duluth said in Blues v Sunwolves:
@nzzp So Plummer should not start all season?
I don't think he shoudl start in Round 4, after a big travel game, in a team that's copped multiple changes, in a must win game, unless he's our new starting 10.
What happens if Black gets injured in a few weeks? You need game time in your backups, and games against teams like the Sunwolves is when you do it.
Fark that, we need to start winning, and we need to start building that habit. Look, I'd be delighted if Plummer is the goods - but I don't think he should be starting this game unless he's our number one 10. And if Leon doesn't know who is best 10 is, then I'm worried.
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@Kirwan said in Blues v Sunwolves:
@nzzp said in Blues v Sunwolves:
@Duluth said in Blues v Sunwolves:
@nzzp So Plummer should not start all season?
I don't think he shoudl start in Round 4, after a big travel game, in a team that's copped multiple changes, in a must win game, unless he's our new starting 10.
What happens if Black gets injured in a few weeks? You need game time in your backups, and games against teams like the Sunwolves is when you do it.
Fark that, we need to start winning, and we need to start building that habit. Look, I'd be delighted if Plummer is the goods - but I don't think he should be starting this game unless he's our number one 10. And if Leon doesn't know who is best 10 is, then I'm worried.
@nzzp said in Blues v Sunwolves:
@Kirwan said in Blues v Sunwolves:
@nzzp said in Blues v Sunwolves:
@Duluth said in Blues v Sunwolves:
@nzzp So Plummer should not start all season?
I don't think he shoudl start in Round 4, after a big travel game, in a team that's copped multiple changes, in a must win game, unless he's our new starting 10.
What happens if Black gets injured in a few weeks? You need game time in your backups, and games against teams like the Sunwolves is when you do it.
Fark that, we need to start winning, and we need to start building that habit. Look, I'd be delighted if Plummer is the goods - but I don't think he should be starting this game unless he's our number one 10. And if Leon doesn't know who is best 10 is, then I'm worried.
I’m sure he knows, and like with other positions that are using the full squad, you can’t play every game.
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@Kirwan said in Blues v Sunwolves:
@nzzp said in Blues v Sunwolves:
@Duluth said in Blues v Sunwolves:
@nzzp So Plummer should not start all season?
I don't think he shoudl start in Round 4, after a big travel game, in a team that's copped multiple changes, in a must win game, unless he's our new starting 10.
What happens if Black gets injured in a few weeks? You need game time in your backups, and games against teams like the Sunwolves is when you do it.
Fark that, we need to start winning, and we need to start building that habit. Look, I'd be delighted if Plummer is the goods - but I don't think he should be starting this game unless he's our number one 10. And if Leon doesn't know who is best 10 is, then I'm worried.
@nzzp said in Blues v Sunwolves:
@Kirwan said in Blues v Sunwolves:
@nzzp said in Blues v Sunwolves:
@Duluth said in Blues v Sunwolves:
@nzzp So Plummer should not start all season?
I don't think he shoudl start in Round 4, after a big travel game, in a team that's copped multiple changes, in a must win game, unless he's our new starting 10.
What happens if Black gets injured in a few weeks? You need game time in your backups, and games against teams like the Sunwolves is when you do it.
Fark that, we need to start winning, and we need to start building that habit. Look, I'd be delighted if Plummer is the goods - but I don't think he should be starting this game unless he's our number one 10. And if Leon doesn't know who is best 10 is, then I'm worried.
Look at this way, we’ve rotated the props, locks, back row, halfback, centres, and back three so far, but swapping the ten is what’s going to do us in?
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Some interesting stuff on the Shortball podcast this week about where the Blues are not quite clicking.
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@KiwiMurph tis funny how we can be watching the same player and have different views of how they played
@taniwharugby said in Blues v Sunwolves:
@KiwiMurph tis funny how we can be watching the same player and have different views of how they played
Haha agreed. It beats watching Collins and having the same view!
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@Tim said in Blues v Sunwolves:
Some interesting stuff on the Shortball podcast this week about where the Blues are not quite clicking.
Bullet point summary?
@dK Comments (from Mils, Ali Williams, and Stevenson) were that (mostly on attack) they look like they're trying hard to replicate the drills from practice, rather than playing what's in front of them. Possibly this is due to a lack of self confidence and experienced leadership. The confidence issue is also exposed by hesitancy on counter-attack, when they're just not backing themselves. Might take some wins to crack this.
Ali Williams also commented that Karl T blew the last scrum by "smoking" his opposing prop, rather than concentrating on stability.
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@nzzp said in Blues v Sunwolves:
@Kirwan said in Blues v Sunwolves:
@nzzp said in Blues v Sunwolves:
@Duluth said in Blues v Sunwolves:
@nzzp So Plummer should not start all season?
I don't think he shoudl start in Round 4, after a big travel game, in a team that's copped multiple changes, in a must win game, unless he's our new starting 10.
What happens if Black gets injured in a few weeks? You need game time in your backups, and games against teams like the Sunwolves is when you do it.
Fark that, we need to start winning, and we need to start building that habit. Look, I'd be delighted if Plummer is the goods - but I don't think he should be starting this game unless he's our number one 10. And if Leon doesn't know who is best 10 is, then I'm worried.
Look at this way, we’ve rotated the props, locks, back row, halfback, centres, and back three so far, but swapping the ten is what’s going to do us in?
@Kirwan said in Blues v Sunwolves:
Look at this way, we’ve rotated the props, locks, back row, halfback, centres, and back three so far, but swapping the ten is what’s going to do us in?
Fair point.
I just felt triggered seeing a new 10 ... brings back the bad old days
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on Plummer
There is also confidence that the 20-year-old Plummer can shake off his goalkicking misfires from week one, which cost the Blues a result against the Crusaders, and excel in his first start for the franchise. "We've got a lot of faith in Harry," added MacDonald. "He was right in contention for game one with his pre-season form, and we'd pencilled this opportunity in for him a while back, because of the travel and wanting a few fresh legs out there and a little bit more energy. We're looking forward to seeing how he goes, because he's a real talent." -
Big game for Cowley-Tuioti. Hasn't impressed so far this season. We've lacked grunt off the bench from him.
Looking forward to seeing Renata off the bench. Be interesting to see what kind of shape Aumua is in.
@Tim Yeah been disappointed with Cowley Tuioti so far. He needs a big one with Scrafton back, and yes, the first point you make from the podcast you watched is dead right imo. In a funny sort of way, we seemed to play with a bit too much structure out there. Great to have a plan in place, but there seemed to be no plan B out there when the Jaguares were containing us on defence.
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Sunwolves
1 Pauliasi MANU
2 Atsushi SAKATE
3 Hiroshi YAMASHITA
4 Tom Rowe
5 James MOORE
6 Hendrik TUI
7 Shuhei MATSUHASHI
8 Rahboni WARREN VOSAYACO
9 Jamie BOOTH
10 Rikiya MATSUDA
11 Jamie HENRY
12 Michael LITTLE (C)
13 Jason EMERY
14 Gerhard van den HEEVER
15 Semisi MASIREWAReserves
16 Nathan VELLA
17 Alex WOONTON
18 Asaeli Ai VALU
19 Uwe HELU
20 Dan PRYOR
21 Keisuke UCHIDA
22 Hayden PARKER
23 Phil BURLEIGH -
@Kirwan said in Blues v Sunwolves:
@nzzp said in Blues v Sunwolves:
@Duluth said in Blues v Sunwolves:
@nzzp So Plummer should not start all season?
I don't think he shoudl start in Round 4, after a big travel game, in a team that's copped multiple changes, in a must win game, unless he's our new starting 10.
What happens if Black gets injured in a few weeks? You need game time in your backups, and games against teams like the Sunwolves is when you do it.
Fark that, we need to start winning, and we need to start building that habit. Look, I'd be delighted if Plummer is the goods - but I don't think he should be starting this game unless he's our number one 10. And if Leon doesn't know who is best 10 is, then I'm worried.
@nzzp said in Blues v Sunwolves:
@Kirwan said in Blues v Sunwolves:
@nzzp said in Blues v Sunwolves:
@Duluth said in Blues v Sunwolves:
@nzzp So Plummer should not start all season?
I don't think he shoudl start in Round 4, after a big travel game, in a team that's copped multiple changes, in a must win game, unless he's our new starting 10.
What happens if Black gets injured in a few weeks? You need game time in your backups, and games against teams like the Sunwolves is when you do it.
Fark that, we need to start winning, and we need to start building that habit. Look, I'd be delighted if Plummer is the goods - but I don't think he should be starting this game unless he's our number one 10. And if Leon doesn't know who is best 10 is, then I'm worried.
On the other hand - panicking against the Sunwolves and thinking you've got to roll out the A1 number one team to try to snatch a win isn't really sending the right signal.
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@nzzp said in Blues v Sunwolves:
@Kirwan said in Blues v Sunwolves:
@nzzp said in Blues v Sunwolves:
@Duluth said in Blues v Sunwolves:
@nzzp So Plummer should not start all season?
I don't think he shoudl start in Round 4, after a big travel game, in a team that's copped multiple changes, in a must win game, unless he's our new starting 10.
What happens if Black gets injured in a few weeks? You need game time in your backups, and games against teams like the Sunwolves is when you do it.
Fark that, we need to start winning, and we need to start building that habit. Look, I'd be delighted if Plummer is the goods - but I don't think he should be starting this game unless he's our number one 10. And if Leon doesn't know who is best 10 is, then I'm worried.
On the other hand - panicking against the Sunwolves and thinking you've got to roll out the A1 number one team to try to snatch a win isn't really sending the right signal.
@Chris-B said in Blues v Sunwolves:
@nzzp said in Blues v Sunwolves:
@Kirwan said in Blues v Sunwolves:
@nzzp said in Blues v Sunwolves:
@Duluth said in Blues v Sunwolves:
@nzzp So Plummer should not start all season?
I don't think he shoudl start in Round 4, after a big travel game, in a team that's copped multiple changes, in a must win game, unless he's our new starting 10.
What happens if Black gets injured in a few weeks? You need game time in your backups, and games against teams like the Sunwolves is when you do it.
Fark that, we need to start winning, and we need to start building that habit. Look, I'd be delighted if Plummer is the goods - but I don't think he should be starting this game unless he's our number one 10. And if Leon doesn't know who is best 10 is, then I'm worried.
On the other hand - panicking against the Sunwolves and thinking you've got to roll out the A1 number one team to try to snatch a win isn't really sending the right signal.
yeah, those bastards would never tip over a kiwi side at home.
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@Chris-B said in Blues v Sunwolves:
@nzzp said in Blues v Sunwolves:
@Kirwan said in Blues v Sunwolves:
@nzzp said in Blues v Sunwolves:
@Duluth said in Blues v Sunwolves:
@nzzp So Plummer should not start all season?
I don't think he shoudl start in Round 4, after a big travel game, in a team that's copped multiple changes, in a must win game, unless he's our new starting 10.
What happens if Black gets injured in a few weeks? You need game time in your backups, and games against teams like the Sunwolves is when you do it.
Fark that, we need to start winning, and we need to start building that habit. Look, I'd be delighted if Plummer is the goods - but I don't think he should be starting this game unless he's our number one 10. And if Leon doesn't know who is best 10 is, then I'm worried.
On the other hand - panicking against the Sunwolves and thinking you've got to roll out the A1 number one team to try to snatch a win isn't really sending the right signal.
yeah, those bastards would never tip over a kiwi side at home.
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@Machpants I make it 12 if you count Vella who is an Aucklander playing in Canterbury, and a few players Auckland born like Hendrik Tui, Will Tupou and Jamie Henry. I think that is more than there are indigenous Japanese players.
