Hurricanes vs Highlanders
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@Machpants said in Hurricanes vs Highlanders:
Nisbo didn't work on mobile, unless you're careful
I'll be Captain Obvious then.
Grant
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@Tim said in Hurricanes vs Highlanders:
@mariner4life Yep, his passing is terrible.
Absolutely bombed that.
It's because he lacks "time" so panics and rushes stuff. He's just good enough.
@mariner4life said in Hurricanes vs Highlanders:
@Tim said in Hurricanes vs Highlanders:
@mariner4life Yep, his passing is terrible.
Absolutely bombed that.
It's because he lacks "time" so panics and rushes stuff. He's just good enough.
Que? Missing "not"?
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@canefan The three weaknesses in that Canes starting pack were the two journeyman props (Eves and Toomaga Allen) & Blackwell. Blackwell still isn't big enough to be a lock and I hope he is replaced by that Safa lock moving forward. Mitchell has impressed me though and he will only get better. His playing style is like a younger and slightly shorter Sam Whitelock.
@Canes4life said in Hurricanes vs Highlanders:
@canefan The three weaknesses in that Canes starting pack were the two journeyman props (Eves and Toomaga Allen) & Blackwell. Blackwell still isn't big enough to be a lock and I hope he is replaced by that Safa lock moving forward. Mitchell has impressed me though and he will only get better. His playing style is like a younger and slightly shorter Sam Whitelock.
The pack will scare no one. But we've never had the most dominant pack in the comp, ever. All we can hope for is to get as close to parity as possible to give our backs a chance to win the game
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@Machpants said in Hurricanes vs Highlanders:
Nisbo didn't work on mobile, unless you're careful
I'll be Captain Obvious then.
Grant
@booboo said in Hurricanes vs Highlanders:
@Machpants said in Hurricanes vs Highlanders:
Nisbo didn't work on mobile, unless you're careful
I'll be Captain Obvious then.
Grant
Yeah I know, I'm using finger sweeping typing, when I did nisbo (without picking individual letters) the in built dictionary gave me Tony. And I didn't check
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@Canes4life said in Hurricanes vs Highlanders:
@canefan The three weaknesses in that Canes starting pack were the two journeyman props (Eves and Toomaga Allen) & Blackwell. Blackwell still isn't big enough to be a lock and I hope he is replaced by that Safa lock moving forward. Mitchell has impressed me though and he will only get better. His playing style is like a younger and slightly shorter Sam Whitelock.
The pack will scare no one. But we've never had the most dominant pack in the comp, ever. All we can hope for is to get as close to parity as possible to give our backs a chance to win the game
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@canefan if the Canes get parity the odds of us winning sky rocket. We just need to find 3 or 4 hard nosed props and a couple big boffa locks and we will be away laughing.
@Canes4life said in Hurricanes vs Highlanders:
@canefan if the Canes get parity the odds of us winning sky rocket. We just need to find 3 or 4 hard nosed props and a couple big boffa locks and we will be away laughing.
So basically you are saying we need a tight 5 that doesn't suck....
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@Canes4life said in Hurricanes vs Highlanders:
@canefan if the Canes get parity the odds of us winning sky rocket. We just need to find 3 or 4 hard nosed props and a couple big boffa locks and we will be away laughing.
So basically you are saying we need a tight 5 that doesn't suck....
@canefan Pretty much.
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Re - Jordie I personally think now with the benefit of hindsight ,
Too much too young has been thrown his way , in the way of glowing media attention before he had hardly played a game , selection in the ABs very young etc etc
Maybe he would’ve been better off being allowed to ease into things , step by step , do his apprenticeship gradually, and allowed to tick the boxes one at a time , in the way most young players do.
Might be wrong but got a feeling the abs may cut him loose this year and allow him to go back and do that
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@mariner4life said in Hurricanes vs Highlanders:
@Tim said in Hurricanes vs Highlanders:
@mariner4life Yep, his passing is terrible.
Absolutely bombed that.
It's because he lacks "time" so panics and rushes stuff. He's just good enough.
Que? Missing "not"?
@booboo said in Hurricanes vs Highlanders:
@mariner4life said in Hurricanes vs Highlanders:
@Tim said in Hurricanes vs Highlanders:
@mariner4life Yep, his passing is terrible.
Absolutely bombed that.
It's because he lacks "time" so panics and rushes stuff. He's just good enough.
Que? Missing "not"?
Yea. I thought that would have been obvious given my earlier posts
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Re - Jordie I personally think now with the benefit of hindsight ,
Too much too young has been thrown his way , in the way of glowing media attention before he had hardly played a game , selection in the ABs very young etc etc
Maybe he would’ve been better off being allowed to ease into things , step by step , do his apprenticeship gradually, and allowed to tick the boxes one at a time , in the way most young players do.
Might be wrong but got a feeling the abs may cut him loose this year and allow him to go back and do that
@kiwiinmelb said in Hurricanes vs Highlanders:
Re - Jordie I personally think now with the benefit of hindsight ,
Too much too young has been thrown his way , in the way of glowing media attention before he had hardly played a game , selection in the ABs very young etc etc
Maybe he would’ve been better off being allowed to ease into things , step by step , do his apprenticeship gradually, and allowed to tick the boxes one at a time , in the way most young players do.
Might be wrong but got a feeling the abs may cut him loose this year and allow him to go back and do that
He also played the house down on debut against the Lions which took the hype to the next level. He just needs to go back to basics for a while and make sure he's nailing the core parts of his role, the other stuff will come naturally with confidence.
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@kiwiinmelb said in Hurricanes vs Highlanders:
Re - Jordie I personally think now with the benefit of hindsight ,
Too much too young has been thrown his way , in the way of glowing media attention before he had hardly played a game , selection in the ABs very young etc etc
Maybe he would’ve been better off being allowed to ease into things , step by step , do his apprenticeship gradually, and allowed to tick the boxes one at a time , in the way most young players do.
Might be wrong but got a feeling the abs may cut him loose this year and allow him to go back and do that
He also played the house down on debut against the Lions which took the hype to the next level. He just needs to go back to basics for a while and make sure he's nailing the core parts of his role, the other stuff will come naturally with confidence.
@No-Quarter said in Hurricanes vs Highlanders:
@kiwiinmelb said in Hurricanes vs Highlanders:
Re - Jordie I personally think now with the benefit of hindsight ,
Too much too young has been thrown his way , in the way of glowing media attention before he had hardly played a game , selection in the ABs very young etc etc
Maybe he would’ve been better off being allowed to ease into things , step by step , do his apprenticeship gradually, and allowed to tick the boxes one at a time , in the way most young players do.
Might be wrong but got a feeling the abs may cut him loose this year and allow him to go back and do that
He also played the house down on debut against the Lions which took the hype to the next level. He just needs to go back to basics for a while and make sure he's nailing the core parts of his role, the other stuff will come naturally with confidence.
He was excellent for the Canes vs Lions as well. Iirc he ended up playing at 10.
I think he's a tremendous talent but he's not a 15. He's also still very young and is perhaps struggling to merge his natural instincts with the discipline and focus required of a top professional player. Some players are brilliant in their first season and then fall off the radar. I hope JB isn't one of them. I really hope he heads back south and re-establishes that midfield partnership with Goodhue. That would be the best both for him and NZ rugby.
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You've gotta wonder if he's going to be Ice Mk 2. I don;t think so, as he is not a shy PI kid, but part of a very useful bunch of rugby players - but yeah hype + position changes is not great for a young player trying to establish themselves.
@Machpants said in Hurricanes vs Highlanders:
You've gotta wonder if he's going to be Ice Mk 2. I don;t think so, as he is not a shy PI kid, but part of a very useful bunch of rugby players - but yeah hype + position changes is not great for a young player trying to establish themselves.
IIRC there was also talk of Ice's best position being 12...
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Biggest difference between Jordie's debut year and now is his error rate. He used to be a pretty safe player with enough upside to make him a good fit for test rugby.
He now gets close attention from opposing teams and he hasn't been able to adjust. He seems to be trying to make plays using low % plays and it's not coming off as much. He's turned from a 3-1 (three good things for every one) to a 2-4 player. Just not good enough and he shouldn't be on the plane to Japan if he continues on this trajectory.
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Biggest difference between Jordie's debut year and now is his error rate. He used to be a pretty safe player with enough upside to make him a good fit for test rugby.
He now gets close attention from opposing teams and he hasn't been able to adjust. He seems to be trying to make plays using low % plays and it's not coming off as much. He's turned from a 3-1 (three good things for every one) to a 2-4 player. Just not good enough and he shouldn't be on the plane to Japan if he continues on this trajectory.
@Toddy and the mistakes are around core tasks, passing, catching, etc. Not so much about making errors pushing the envelope. I agree he's looked more pressured and he needs to work on how to manage that.
Have to say I'm waiting for a Carlos 2.0 knee kick though
I think he's too talented to fall away. But it would be a big knock to his development and career if he didn't make the WC squad. But that's unlikely imo.
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Considering his lack of form, they should keep Jordie at fullback for now, where he has played most of his games the last few years and give him regular game time; replace him if he's not playing well. The Canes' coaches unnessarily moved him to 13 in two games last year. One of those games was a poor game (but a win) at home against the Reds in which they used Peter U-J on debut at 12 (they could have moved Jordie there); and the other the loss against the Crusaders in Chch. He had never played at centre before, as far as I know.
Then the ABs suddenly start him at 14 against Italy. Yes, he was great in that game, but it was Italy. He's not a winger; they shouldn't shift him around, just to find a place for him in the RWC squad. The fact is, the ABs don't really need him for the RWC, if Rieko, Naholo, Bridge, BFA (and Dmac) are all playing well, fit and available. And now the Canes play him at 14 and name Aso on the bench? Can't convince me that has nothing to do with the ABs ...
The ABs coaches love for versatility is fine if they pick a player who has regularly played in both his preferred and the other position, or if they train a player in another position to have a back-up in emergencies (for example, Dmac at 9). But they shouldn't move a player out of position to justify his selection.
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Good for NZ rugby? Hyperbole much?
@mariner4life said in Hurricanes vs Highlanders:
Good for NZ rugby? Hyperbole much?
Yes it's hyperbole to suggest that a talented young player at his best is good for NZ rugby. After all, what do the players actually contribute right?
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Considering his lack of form, they should keep Jordie at fullback for now, where he has played most of his games the last few years and give him regular game time; replace him if he's not playing well. The Canes' coaches unnessarily moved him to 13 in two games last year. One of those games was a poor game (but a win) at home against the Reds in which they used Peter U-J on debut at 12 (they could have moved Jordie there); and the other the loss against the Crusaders in Chch. He had never played at centre before, as far as I know.
Then the ABs suddenly start him at 14 against Italy. Yes, he was great in that game, but it was Italy. He's not a winger; they shouldn't shift him around, just to find a place for him in the RWC squad. The fact is, the ABs don't really need him for the RWC, if Rieko, Naholo, Bridge, BFA (and Dmac) are all playing well, fit and available. And now the Canes play him at 14 and name Aso on the bench? Can't convince me that has nothing to do with the ABs ...
The ABs coaches love for versatility is fine if they pick a player who has regularly played in both his preferred and the other position, or if they train a player in another position to have a back-up in emergencies (for example, Dmac at 9). But they shouldn't move a player out of position to justify his selection.
@Stargazer I agree that his place in the word cup squad is in doubt, as a specialist fullback, he would be a luxury. And, he's not in good enough form to deserve the place right now, assuming they take three specialist wings plus Dmac and Barrett (one of whom could be the starter anyway).
I don't mind the idea of him having runs at 14, to see if he can show more versatility (especially, since he doesn't play for the chiefs).
