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  • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

    @nzzp said in Blues v Hurricanes:

    @Rancid-Schnitzel said in Blues v Hurricanes:

    And Jordie Barrett (of all people) showed why Akira Ioane doesn't get selected for the ABs. He's an absolutely phenomenonal talent but who would bet against him doing something dumb in a big game?

    Akira had one of the worst games I've seen from him in ages -- but he didn't (and doesn't) get penalised for his off the ball stuff. It's largely disappeared from his game.

    Also, I understand he had 24 carries last night. Twenty four!!! Clearly lazy

    His ability to get his hands on the ball has never been an issue at age grade level and now in senior rugby. There are two issues I see (I know everyone’s an expert on Akira), it’s what he does with the ball and also on the defensive side of the game. Things that can be developed and worked on.

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    @ACT-Crusader said in Blues v Hurricanes:

    @nzzp said in Blues v Hurricanes:

    @Rancid-Schnitzel said in Blues v Hurricanes:

    And Jordie Barrett (of all people) showed why Akira Ioane doesn't get selected for the ABs. He's an absolutely phenomenonal talent but who would bet against him doing something dumb in a big game?

    Akira had one of the worst games I've seen from him in ages -- but he didn't (and doesn't) get penalised for his off the ball stuff. It's largely disappeared from his game.

    Also, I understand he had 24 carries last night. Twenty four!!! Clearly lazy

    His ability to get his hands on the ball has never been an issue at age grade level and now in senior rugby. There are two issues I see (I know everyone’s an expert on Akira), it’s what he does with the ball and also on the defensive side of the game. Things that can be developed and worked on.

    I'm dirty because his work at 8 in the scrum was woeful. Disrupted by TJ, but the slow, signalled pickups followed by fumbles were a stain on my soul. I've been such a fan of Akira, but last night wasn't a game that made me feel good about anything meaningful

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    • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

      @Rancid-Schnitzel

      The last time Akira played 6 for the Blues I think was 2017 vs Sunwolves when Luatua was around. There have been nearly 2 seasons gone since then. Akira would have played 25 odd games for the Blues at 8 since then.

      In addition - probably 25 more since then at 8 in Mitre 10 Cup for Auckland.

      So thats his last 50 odd first class games at 8.

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      @KiwiMurph said in Blues v Hurricanes:

      So thats his last 50 odd first class games at 8.

      With pretty much the same cohort of back row partners at both provincial and Super level. The division of responsibilities is always going to be similar. Outside of the scrimmaging considerations the AB selectors have usually picked the back row on overall balance rather than picking for individual jerseys.

      Somehow Akira and Read are specialists in the same position who could not be selected elsewhere, yet in no way is Akira a like for like swap for Read. But don't worry boys he is very comfortable with the digit eight on his jersey. I will need to watch the tape from the Maori tour to see if wearing a black shirt, shorts and socks has a noticeable effect on his game and report back.

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      • nzzpN nzzp

        @ACT-Crusader said in Blues v Hurricanes:

        @nzzp said in Blues v Hurricanes:

        @Rancid-Schnitzel said in Blues v Hurricanes:

        And Jordie Barrett (of all people) showed why Akira Ioane doesn't get selected for the ABs. He's an absolutely phenomenonal talent but who would bet against him doing something dumb in a big game?

        Akira had one of the worst games I've seen from him in ages -- but he didn't (and doesn't) get penalised for his off the ball stuff. It's largely disappeared from his game.

        Also, I understand he had 24 carries last night. Twenty four!!! Clearly lazy

        His ability to get his hands on the ball has never been an issue at age grade level and now in senior rugby. There are two issues I see (I know everyone’s an expert on Akira), it’s what he does with the ball and also on the defensive side of the game. Things that can be developed and worked on.

        I'm dirty because his work at 8 in the scrum was woeful. Disrupted by TJ, but the slow, signalled pickups followed by fumbles were a stain on my soul. I've been such a fan of Akira, but last night wasn't a game that made me feel good about anything meaningful

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        wrote on last edited by Chris B.
        #443

        @nzzp said in Blues v Hurricanes:

        @ACT-Crusader said in Blues v Hurricanes:

        @nzzp said in Blues v Hurricanes:

        @Rancid-Schnitzel said in Blues v Hurricanes:

        And Jordie Barrett (of all people) showed why Akira Ioane doesn't get selected for the ABs. He's an absolutely phenomenonal talent but who would bet against him doing something dumb in a big game?

        Akira had one of the worst games I've seen from him in ages -- but he didn't (and doesn't) get penalised for his off the ball stuff. It's largely disappeared from his game.

        Also, I understand he had 24 carries last night. Twenty four!!! Clearly lazy

        His ability to get his hands on the ball has never been an issue at age grade level and now in senior rugby. There are two issues I see (I know everyone’s an expert on Akira), it’s what he does with the ball and also on the defensive side of the game. Things that can be developed and worked on.

        I'm dirty because his work at 8 in the scrum was woeful. Disrupted by TJ, but the slow, signalled pickups followed by fumbles were a stain on my soul. I've been such a fan of Akira, but last night wasn't a game that made me feel good about anything meaningful

        Was just listening to Mexted on Radiosport. Mex is one of those people who sounds very authorative and very sure of what he's saying, but I'm never sure if he's quite as expert as he sounds. I guess he's been running that IRANZ academy for a long time, he's probably learned something.

        Anyway, he said the scrum management of the Blues was woeful and that was primarily down to Akira along with the halfback. He reckons Akira isn't good enough at that "bread and butter" aspect of the No. 8's game and he also doesn't get wide in support, which he also says is the 8s job (I'd have some question marks about this in the AB set-up).

        Anyway, to howls of outrage, Mex wants him in the AB squad because he's a beast of a man, but he wants him picked as a 6 and not an 8. 🙂

        Mex also picked his midfielders - Crotty, Nonu, Goodhue and ALB. Said his choice was between Nonu and Laumape - who offer the same game, but Nonu's ability to put his outsides in space tips the balance. Was pretty dismissive of SBW - said he's not sure he should even be in frame because while he can give you a couple of offloads a game, he's a liability on defence (and always has been) and is always broken.

        http://120.138.20.16/WeekOnDemand/radiosport/2019.05.12-12.30.00-S.mp3

        http://120.138.20.16/WeekOnDemand/radiosport/2019.05.12-12.45.00-S.mp3

        8.15 in this for anyone who's interested.

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        • Chris B.C Chris B.

          @nzzp said in Blues v Hurricanes:

          @ACT-Crusader said in Blues v Hurricanes:

          @nzzp said in Blues v Hurricanes:

          @Rancid-Schnitzel said in Blues v Hurricanes:

          And Jordie Barrett (of all people) showed why Akira Ioane doesn't get selected for the ABs. He's an absolutely phenomenonal talent but who would bet against him doing something dumb in a big game?

          Akira had one of the worst games I've seen from him in ages -- but he didn't (and doesn't) get penalised for his off the ball stuff. It's largely disappeared from his game.

          Also, I understand he had 24 carries last night. Twenty four!!! Clearly lazy

          His ability to get his hands on the ball has never been an issue at age grade level and now in senior rugby. There are two issues I see (I know everyone’s an expert on Akira), it’s what he does with the ball and also on the defensive side of the game. Things that can be developed and worked on.

          I'm dirty because his work at 8 in the scrum was woeful. Disrupted by TJ, but the slow, signalled pickups followed by fumbles were a stain on my soul. I've been such a fan of Akira, but last night wasn't a game that made me feel good about anything meaningful

          Was just listening to Mexted on Radiosport. Mex is one of those people who sounds very authorative and very sure of what he's saying, but I'm never sure if he's quite as expert as he sounds. I guess he's been running that IRANZ academy for a long time, he's probably learned something.

          Anyway, he said the scrum management of the Blues was woeful and that was primarily down to Akira along with the halfback. He reckons Akira isn't good enough at that "bread and butter" aspect of the No. 8's game and he also doesn't get wide in support, which he also says is the 8s job (I'd have some question marks about this in the AB set-up).

          Anyway, to howls of outrage, Mex wants him in the AB squad because he's a beast of a man, but he wants him picked as a 6 and not an 8. 🙂

          Mex also picked his midfielders - Crotty, Nonu, Goodhue and ALB. Said his choice was between Nonu and Laumape - who offer the same game, but Nonu's ability to put his outsides in space tips the balance. Was pretty dismissive of SBW - said he's not sure he should even be in frame because while he can give you a couple of offloads a game, he's a liability on defence (and always has been) and is always broken.

          http://120.138.20.16/WeekOnDemand/radiosport/2019.05.12-12.30.00-S.mp3

          http://120.138.20.16/WeekOnDemand/radiosport/2019.05.12-12.45.00-S.mp3

          8.15 in this for anyone who's interested.

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          #444

          @Chris-B yeah I heard that too.

          Agree, he says the things that make you think he knows his shit, but dont always agree with his analysis.

          With his comments on SBW it made me wonder if he has any contact with the upper echelon of NZ Rugby these days, while many of us struggle to see what SBW brings any more, it seems clear the coaches rate him, and if fit, I simply cannot see him not being on the plane.

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          • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

            @Chris-B yeah I heard that too.

            Agree, he says the things that make you think he knows his shit, but dont always agree with his analysis.

            With his comments on SBW it made me wonder if he has any contact with the upper echelon of NZ Rugby these days, while many of us struggle to see what SBW brings any more, it seems clear the coaches rate him, and if fit, I simply cannot see him not being on the plane.

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            @taniwharugby I can't either.

            The only thing that might mitigate against SBW is that - the way I see it - you've SBW, Crotty, Nonu and Laumape contending for two 2nd five slots. So, they could pick two experienced options in Crotty and Nonu. I can't really see them picking Laumape ahead of SBW.

            But, I think it will be the glass brothers! 🙂

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            • Chris B.C Chris B.

              @taniwharugby I can't either.

              The only thing that might mitigate against SBW is that - the way I see it - you've SBW, Crotty, Nonu and Laumape contending for two 2nd five slots. So, they could pick two experienced options in Crotty and Nonu. I can't really see them picking Laumape ahead of SBW.

              But, I think it will be the glass brothers! 🙂

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              @Chris-B maybe NZR should offer Nonu a free all expenses paid holiday in JApan for his long service, and Ngani the same trip for most promising player...that way, when Crotty and/or SBW break, they can be there.

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              • Chris B.C Chris B.

                @nzzp said in Blues v Hurricanes:

                @ACT-Crusader said in Blues v Hurricanes:

                @nzzp said in Blues v Hurricanes:

                @Rancid-Schnitzel said in Blues v Hurricanes:

                And Jordie Barrett (of all people) showed why Akira Ioane doesn't get selected for the ABs. He's an absolutely phenomenonal talent but who would bet against him doing something dumb in a big game?

                Akira had one of the worst games I've seen from him in ages -- but he didn't (and doesn't) get penalised for his off the ball stuff. It's largely disappeared from his game.

                Also, I understand he had 24 carries last night. Twenty four!!! Clearly lazy

                His ability to get his hands on the ball has never been an issue at age grade level and now in senior rugby. There are two issues I see (I know everyone’s an expert on Akira), it’s what he does with the ball and also on the defensive side of the game. Things that can be developed and worked on.

                I'm dirty because his work at 8 in the scrum was woeful. Disrupted by TJ, but the slow, signalled pickups followed by fumbles were a stain on my soul. I've been such a fan of Akira, but last night wasn't a game that made me feel good about anything meaningful

                Was just listening to Mexted on Radiosport. Mex is one of those people who sounds very authorative and very sure of what he's saying, but I'm never sure if he's quite as expert as he sounds. I guess he's been running that IRANZ academy for a long time, he's probably learned something.

                Anyway, he said the scrum management of the Blues was woeful and that was primarily down to Akira along with the halfback. He reckons Akira isn't good enough at that "bread and butter" aspect of the No. 8's game and he also doesn't get wide in support, which he also says is the 8s job (I'd have some question marks about this in the AB set-up).

                Anyway, to howls of outrage, Mex wants him in the AB squad because he's a beast of a man, but he wants him picked as a 6 and not an 8. 🙂

                Mex also picked his midfielders - Crotty, Nonu, Goodhue and ALB. Said his choice was between Nonu and Laumape - who offer the same game, but Nonu's ability to put his outsides in space tips the balance. Was pretty dismissive of SBW - said he's not sure he should even be in frame because while he can give you a couple of offloads a game, he's a liability on defence (and always has been) and is always broken.

                http://120.138.20.16/WeekOnDemand/radiosport/2019.05.12-12.30.00-S.mp3

                http://120.138.20.16/WeekOnDemand/radiosport/2019.05.12-12.45.00-S.mp3

                8.15 in this for anyone who's interested.

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                #447

                @Chris-B said in Blues v Hurricanes:

                Mex also picked his midfielders - Crotty, Nonu, Goodhue and ALB. Said his choice was between Nonu and Laumape - who offer the same game, but Nonu's ability to put his outsides in space tips the balance.

                In this I'm in complete agreement. There simply isn't a better second five-eighth in New Zealand at carrying, passing and kicking. It's just a pity his pace has deserted him now he's old.

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                • antipodeanA antipodean

                  @Chris-B said in Blues v Hurricanes:

                  Mex also picked his midfielders - Crotty, Nonu, Goodhue and ALB. Said his choice was between Nonu and Laumape - who offer the same game, but Nonu's ability to put his outsides in space tips the balance.

                  In this I'm in complete agreement. There simply isn't a better second five-eighth in New Zealand at carrying, passing and kicking. It's just a pity his pace has deserted him now he's old.

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                  #448

                  @antipodean said in Blues v Hurricanes:

                  @Chris-B said in Blues v Hurricanes:

                  Mex also picked his midfielders - Crotty, Nonu, Goodhue and ALB. Said his choice was between Nonu and Laumape - who offer the same game, but Nonu's ability to put his outsides in space tips the balance.

                  In this I'm in complete agreement. There simply isn't a better second five-eighth in New Zealand at carrying, passing and kicking. It's just a pity his pace has deserted him now he's old.

                  Laumape has pace though. Nonu would get brutally exposed a level up - even at this level, some people are runnign around him.

                  Well, I should say 'were'. I think he's adjusted to the pace of game more, but having pace can get you out of a bad situation offensively or defensively. Realistically, I think he's behind both SBW and Laumape in the AB selector's eyes ... will take a couple of injuries to get into squad contention

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                    So after watching this game I’ve decided that Tony Johnson is either @Rancid-Schnitzel or Jordie Barrett’s publicist. I swear if JB had crouched down and taken a dump in the middle of the field Johnson would have been praising him for the consistency of the tutae (hopefully the advertisers algorithms don’t speak Maori).

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                      #450

                      Besides a possible loss of pace the other thing I have noticed is that Nonu appears to have been less involved in the second half of games this season. My imagination?

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                      • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

                        Besides a possible loss of pace the other thing I have noticed is that Nonu appears to have been less involved in the second half of games this season. My imagination?

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                        @Crazy-Horse Good Observation I was thinking the same thing

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                        • nzzpN nzzp

                          @antipodean said in Blues v Hurricanes:

                          @Chris-B said in Blues v Hurricanes:

                          Mex also picked his midfielders - Crotty, Nonu, Goodhue and ALB. Said his choice was between Nonu and Laumape - who offer the same game, but Nonu's ability to put his outsides in space tips the balance.

                          In this I'm in complete agreement. There simply isn't a better second five-eighth in New Zealand at carrying, passing and kicking. It's just a pity his pace has deserted him now he's old.

                          Laumape has pace though. Nonu would get brutally exposed a level up - even at this level, some people are runnign around him.

                          Well, I should say 'were'. I think he's adjusted to the pace of game more, but having pace can get you out of a bad situation offensively or defensively. Realistically, I think he's behind both SBW and Laumape in the AB selector's eyes ... will take a couple of injuries to get into squad contention

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                          @nzzp said in Blues v Hurricanes:

                          @antipodean said in Blues v Hurricanes:

                          @Chris-B said in Blues v Hurricanes:

                          Mex also picked his midfielders - Crotty, Nonu, Goodhue and ALB. Said his choice was between Nonu and Laumape - who offer the same game, but Nonu's ability to put his outsides in space tips the balance.

                          In this I'm in complete agreement. There simply isn't a better second five-eighth in New Zealand at carrying, passing and kicking. It's just a pity his pace has deserted him now he's old.

                          Laumape has pace though. Nonu would get brutally exposed a level up - even at this level, some people are runnign around him.

                          Well, I should say 'were'. I think he's adjusted to the pace of game more, but having pace can get you out of a bad situation offensively or defensively. Realistically, I think he's behind both SBW and Laumape in the AB selector's eyes ... will take a couple of injuries to get into squad contention

                          It's a pity that in two aspects there's such a difference between Ma'a and Ngani.

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                          • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

                            Besides a possible loss of pace the other thing I have noticed is that Nonu appears to have been less involved in the second half of games this season. My imagination?

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                            @Crazy-Horse said in Blues v Hurricanes:

                            Besides a possible loss of pace the other thing I have noticed is that Nonu appears to have been less involved in the second half of games this season. My imagination?

                            The influence of Pulu?

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                            • antipodeanA antipodean

                              @Crazy-Horse said in Blues v Hurricanes:

                              Besides a possible loss of pace the other thing I have noticed is that Nonu appears to have been less involved in the second half of games this season. My imagination?

                              The influence of Pulu?

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                              @antipodean can't remember how much Pulu has been playing in the second half of the games I have seen.

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                              • Chris B.C Chris B.

                                @nzzp said in Blues v Hurricanes:

                                @ACT-Crusader said in Blues v Hurricanes:

                                @nzzp said in Blues v Hurricanes:

                                @Rancid-Schnitzel said in Blues v Hurricanes:

                                And Jordie Barrett (of all people) showed why Akira Ioane doesn't get selected for the ABs. He's an absolutely phenomenonal talent but who would bet against him doing something dumb in a big game?

                                Akira had one of the worst games I've seen from him in ages -- but he didn't (and doesn't) get penalised for his off the ball stuff. It's largely disappeared from his game.

                                Also, I understand he had 24 carries last night. Twenty four!!! Clearly lazy

                                His ability to get his hands on the ball has never been an issue at age grade level and now in senior rugby. There are two issues I see (I know everyone’s an expert on Akira), it’s what he does with the ball and also on the defensive side of the game. Things that can be developed and worked on.

                                I'm dirty because his work at 8 in the scrum was woeful. Disrupted by TJ, but the slow, signalled pickups followed by fumbles were a stain on my soul. I've been such a fan of Akira, but last night wasn't a game that made me feel good about anything meaningful

                                Was just listening to Mexted on Radiosport. Mex is one of those people who sounds very authorative and very sure of what he's saying, but I'm never sure if he's quite as expert as he sounds. I guess he's been running that IRANZ academy for a long time, he's probably learned something.

                                Anyway, he said the scrum management of the Blues was woeful and that was primarily down to Akira along with the halfback. He reckons Akira isn't good enough at that "bread and butter" aspect of the No. 8's game and he also doesn't get wide in support, which he also says is the 8s job (I'd have some question marks about this in the AB set-up).

                                Anyway, to howls of outrage, Mex wants him in the AB squad because he's a beast of a man, but he wants him picked as a 6 and not an 8. 🙂

                                Mex also picked his midfielders - Crotty, Nonu, Goodhue and ALB. Said his choice was between Nonu and Laumape - who offer the same game, but Nonu's ability to put his outsides in space tips the balance. Was pretty dismissive of SBW - said he's not sure he should even be in frame because while he can give you a couple of offloads a game, he's a liability on defence (and always has been) and is always broken.

                                http://120.138.20.16/WeekOnDemand/radiosport/2019.05.12-12.30.00-S.mp3

                                http://120.138.20.16/WeekOnDemand/radiosport/2019.05.12-12.45.00-S.mp3

                                8.15 in this for anyone who's interested.

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                                @Chris-B said in Blues v Hurricanes:

                                @nzzp said in Blues v Hurricanes:

                                @ACT-Crusader said in Blues v Hurricanes:

                                @nzzp said in Blues v Hurricanes:

                                @Rancid-Schnitzel said in Blues v Hurricanes:

                                And Jordie Barrett (of all people) showed why Akira Ioane doesn't get selected for the ABs. He's an absolutely phenomenonal talent but who would bet against him doing something dumb in a big game?

                                Akira had one of the worst games I've seen from him in ages -- but he didn't (and doesn't) get penalised for his off the ball stuff. It's largely disappeared from his game.

                                Also, I understand he had 24 carries last night. Twenty four!!! Clearly lazy

                                His ability to get his hands on the ball has never been an issue at age grade level and now in senior rugby. There are two issues I see (I know everyone’s an expert on Akira), it’s what he does with the ball and also on the defensive side of the game. Things that can be developed and worked on.

                                I'm dirty because his work at 8 in the scrum was woeful. Disrupted by TJ, but the slow, signalled pickups followed by fumbles were a stain on my soul. I've been such a fan of Akira, but last night wasn't a game that made me feel good about anything meaningful

                                Was just listening to Mexted on Radiosport. Mex is one of those people who sounds very authorative and very sure of what he's saying, but I'm never sure if he's quite as expert as he sounds. I guess he's been running that IRANZ academy for a long time, he's probably learned something.

                                Anyway, he said the scrum management of the Blues was woeful and that was primarily down to Akira along with the halfback. He reckons Akira isn't good enough at that "bread and butter" aspect of the No. 8's game and he also doesn't get wide in support, which he also says is the 8s job (I'd have some question marks about this in the AB set-up).

                                Anyway, to howls of outrage, Mex wants him in the AB squad because he's a beast of a man, but he wants him picked as a 6 and not an 8. 🙂

                                Mex also picked his midfielders - Crotty, Nonu, Goodhue and ALB. Said his choice was between Nonu and Laumape - who offer the same game, but Nonu's ability to put his outsides in space tips the balance. Was pretty dismissive of SBW - said he's not sure he should even be in frame because while he can give you a couple of offloads a game, he's a liability on defence (and always has been) and is always broken.

                                http://120.138.20.16/WeekOnDemand/radiosport/2019.05.12-12.30.00-S.mp3

                                http://120.138.20.16/WeekOnDemand/radiosport/2019.05.12-12.45.00-S.mp3

                                8.15 in this for anyone who's interested.

                                Is Ioane really anymore beastly than Frizzel, Fifita, Squire etc?

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                                • MN5M MN5

                                  @Chris-B said in Blues v Hurricanes:

                                  @nzzp said in Blues v Hurricanes:

                                  @ACT-Crusader said in Blues v Hurricanes:

                                  @nzzp said in Blues v Hurricanes:

                                  @Rancid-Schnitzel said in Blues v Hurricanes:

                                  And Jordie Barrett (of all people) showed why Akira Ioane doesn't get selected for the ABs. He's an absolutely phenomenonal talent but who would bet against him doing something dumb in a big game?

                                  Akira had one of the worst games I've seen from him in ages -- but he didn't (and doesn't) get penalised for his off the ball stuff. It's largely disappeared from his game.

                                  Also, I understand he had 24 carries last night. Twenty four!!! Clearly lazy

                                  His ability to get his hands on the ball has never been an issue at age grade level and now in senior rugby. There are two issues I see (I know everyone’s an expert on Akira), it’s what he does with the ball and also on the defensive side of the game. Things that can be developed and worked on.

                                  I'm dirty because his work at 8 in the scrum was woeful. Disrupted by TJ, but the slow, signalled pickups followed by fumbles were a stain on my soul. I've been such a fan of Akira, but last night wasn't a game that made me feel good about anything meaningful

                                  Was just listening to Mexted on Radiosport. Mex is one of those people who sounds very authorative and very sure of what he's saying, but I'm never sure if he's quite as expert as he sounds. I guess he's been running that IRANZ academy for a long time, he's probably learned something.

                                  Anyway, he said the scrum management of the Blues was woeful and that was primarily down to Akira along with the halfback. He reckons Akira isn't good enough at that "bread and butter" aspect of the No. 8's game and he also doesn't get wide in support, which he also says is the 8s job (I'd have some question marks about this in the AB set-up).

                                  Anyway, to howls of outrage, Mex wants him in the AB squad because he's a beast of a man, but he wants him picked as a 6 and not an 8. 🙂

                                  Mex also picked his midfielders - Crotty, Nonu, Goodhue and ALB. Said his choice was between Nonu and Laumape - who offer the same game, but Nonu's ability to put his outsides in space tips the balance. Was pretty dismissive of SBW - said he's not sure he should even be in frame because while he can give you a couple of offloads a game, he's a liability on defence (and always has been) and is always broken.

                                  http://120.138.20.16/WeekOnDemand/radiosport/2019.05.12-12.30.00-S.mp3

                                  http://120.138.20.16/WeekOnDemand/radiosport/2019.05.12-12.45.00-S.mp3

                                  8.15 in this for anyone who's interested.

                                  Is Ioane really anymore beastly than Frizzel, Fifita, Squire etc?

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                                  @MN5 said in Blues v Hurricanes:

                                  @Chris-B said in Blues v Hurricanes:

                                  @nzzp said in Blues v Hurricanes:

                                  @ACT-Crusader said in Blues v Hurricanes:

                                  @nzzp said in Blues v Hurricanes:

                                  @Rancid-Schnitzel said in Blues v Hurricanes:

                                  And Jordie Barrett (of all people) showed why Akira Ioane doesn't get selected for the ABs. He's an absolutely phenomenonal talent but who would bet against him doing something dumb in a big game?

                                  Akira had one of the worst games I've seen from him in ages -- but he didn't (and doesn't) get penalised for his off the ball stuff. It's largely disappeared from his game.

                                  Also, I understand he had 24 carries last night. Twenty four!!! Clearly lazy

                                  His ability to get his hands on the ball has never been an issue at age grade level and now in senior rugby. There are two issues I see (I know everyone’s an expert on Akira), it’s what he does with the ball and also on the defensive side of the game. Things that can be developed and worked on.

                                  I'm dirty because his work at 8 in the scrum was woeful. Disrupted by TJ, but the slow, signalled pickups followed by fumbles were a stain on my soul. I've been such a fan of Akira, but last night wasn't a game that made me feel good about anything meaningful

                                  Was just listening to Mexted on Radiosport. Mex is one of those people who sounds very authorative and very sure of what he's saying, but I'm never sure if he's quite as expert as he sounds. I guess he's been running that IRANZ academy for a long time, he's probably learned something.

                                  Anyway, he said the scrum management of the Blues was woeful and that was primarily down to Akira along with the halfback. He reckons Akira isn't good enough at that "bread and butter" aspect of the No. 8's game and he also doesn't get wide in support, which he also says is the 8s job (I'd have some question marks about this in the AB set-up).

                                  Anyway, to howls of outrage, Mex wants him in the AB squad because he's a beast of a man, but he wants him picked as a 6 and not an 8. 🙂

                                  Mex also picked his midfielders - Crotty, Nonu, Goodhue and ALB. Said his choice was between Nonu and Laumape - who offer the same game, but Nonu's ability to put his outsides in space tips the balance. Was pretty dismissive of SBW - said he's not sure he should even be in frame because while he can give you a couple of offloads a game, he's a liability on defence (and always has been) and is always broken.

                                  http://120.138.20.16/WeekOnDemand/radiosport/2019.05.12-12.30.00-S.mp3

                                  http://120.138.20.16/WeekOnDemand/radiosport/2019.05.12-12.45.00-S.mp3

                                  8.15 in this for anyone who's interested.

                                  Is Ioane really anymore beastly than Frizzel, Fifita, Squire etc?

                                  He averages more run metres than them per game - if that's the kind of thing that points to that (then again he may have more runs), but Frizzell has slightly better tackle bust average.

                                  You can't really get stats on smashing tackles though.

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                                  • MN5M MN5

                                    @Chris-B said in Blues v Hurricanes:

                                    @nzzp said in Blues v Hurricanes:

                                    @ACT-Crusader said in Blues v Hurricanes:

                                    @nzzp said in Blues v Hurricanes:

                                    @Rancid-Schnitzel said in Blues v Hurricanes:

                                    And Jordie Barrett (of all people) showed why Akira Ioane doesn't get selected for the ABs. He's an absolutely phenomenonal talent but who would bet against him doing something dumb in a big game?

                                    Akira had one of the worst games I've seen from him in ages -- but he didn't (and doesn't) get penalised for his off the ball stuff. It's largely disappeared from his game.

                                    Also, I understand he had 24 carries last night. Twenty four!!! Clearly lazy

                                    His ability to get his hands on the ball has never been an issue at age grade level and now in senior rugby. There are two issues I see (I know everyone’s an expert on Akira), it’s what he does with the ball and also on the defensive side of the game. Things that can be developed and worked on.

                                    I'm dirty because his work at 8 in the scrum was woeful. Disrupted by TJ, but the slow, signalled pickups followed by fumbles were a stain on my soul. I've been such a fan of Akira, but last night wasn't a game that made me feel good about anything meaningful

                                    Was just listening to Mexted on Radiosport. Mex is one of those people who sounds very authorative and very sure of what he's saying, but I'm never sure if he's quite as expert as he sounds. I guess he's been running that IRANZ academy for a long time, he's probably learned something.

                                    Anyway, he said the scrum management of the Blues was woeful and that was primarily down to Akira along with the halfback. He reckons Akira isn't good enough at that "bread and butter" aspect of the No. 8's game and he also doesn't get wide in support, which he also says is the 8s job (I'd have some question marks about this in the AB set-up).

                                    Anyway, to howls of outrage, Mex wants him in the AB squad because he's a beast of a man, but he wants him picked as a 6 and not an 8. 🙂

                                    Mex also picked his midfielders - Crotty, Nonu, Goodhue and ALB. Said his choice was between Nonu and Laumape - who offer the same game, but Nonu's ability to put his outsides in space tips the balance. Was pretty dismissive of SBW - said he's not sure he should even be in frame because while he can give you a couple of offloads a game, he's a liability on defence (and always has been) and is always broken.

                                    http://120.138.20.16/WeekOnDemand/radiosport/2019.05.12-12.30.00-S.mp3

                                    http://120.138.20.16/WeekOnDemand/radiosport/2019.05.12-12.45.00-S.mp3

                                    8.15 in this for anyone who's interested.

                                    Is Ioane really anymore beastly than Frizzel, Fifita, Squire etc?

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                                    @MN5 watch a few games and form your own opinion... :astonished_face:

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                                    • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                                      @MN5 watch a few games and form your own opinion... :astonished_face:

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                                      @taniwharugby said in Blues v Hurricanes:

                                      @MN5 watch a few games and form your own opinion... :astonished_face:

                                      Life gets far too busy to watch games willy nilly....that’s why I consult with all the ‘experts’ on here

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                                      • MN5M MN5

                                        @taniwharugby said in Blues v Hurricanes:

                                        @MN5 watch a few games and form your own opinion... :astonished_face:

                                        Life gets far too busy to watch games willy nilly....that’s why I consult with all the ‘experts’ on here

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                                        @MN5 the 'experts' here dont always agree on thier preference after they watch games

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                                          @Crazy-Horse Did a skim watch of the 2nd halves of the last 4 games and I can't say it's his fault in these games.

                                          Against the Canes, the ball barely went past the 10. Our attack was so forward dominated.

                                          Last week against the Brumbies, the Brumbies had all the ball in the 2nd half. A lot of time was wasted in the setpieces.

                                          Against the Highlanders, we could barely get through a few phases without losing the ball. We couldn't really work into our attacking plan because of it.

                                          Had a lot of involvement in the Chiefs game in the 2nd half. Better ball security and discipline a big part of that.

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