Wellington vs Canterbury
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Agree we can win all our remaining games, qualify for the finals, and then anything can happen particularly if we gel as a team. And that for me is the biggest issue.
We've been fucking hard to watch thus far. I think our biggest issue is combinations, or lack there of. I think we've had three different midfield combinations thus far or certainly two and also changes in midfield cover off the bench. 12 seems to be a problem area and really shouldn't be given the options available. It might be that development goes out the window from next week and we see Ennor at 13 and Bateman shift in one spot. Then either Poihipi, Finau or McLeod takes the bench spot. We've also used three different guys to partner Romano but now Dunshea is back and performing as he did last night we should be right there. But for fucks sake, Prinsep is not a lock or lock cover. Give Will Tucker a go off the bench.
There are other niggles too, but i think we improved last night, just need to stick with some combinations and get a good win on the board Saturday vs the Stags and we should be away.
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Going back through the last few years, it looks like 6 wins and about 31-34 points is needed to get into the playoffs. So really Canterbury is now in double elimination - lose 1 and it's likely to make playoffs; lose 2 and that's all she wrote.
That said, in a 7 team comp, getting to the top 4 should be achievable, even with an 0-3 start.
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@SammyC said in Wellington vs Canterbury:
After all the hype on here Dallas Mcleod was bloody terrible.
I was looking forward to seeing how he'd go. Don't know if I've seen any actual hype though. But yeah he was very ordinary. Fell off an important tackle and just looked out of his depth in general, but not a terribly big snapshot.
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@SammyC I already said that during the JWC on the NZ U20s thread. He and Burke, not up to NPC level yet, let alone SR level. No doubt, will get a chance to improve and should be assessed at the end of the season to see how much they've learned. Agree with @shark that I haven't seen any hype on the Fern.
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As I said last week, this is not a strong Canterbury side compared to teams of the past..there not the worst by any stretch they just don’t have the real super rugby quality players they have had in recent times..
On saying that all the talk of them as being relegated is just rubbish..These are their cross over games..
Southland
Manawatu
Northland (away)
Otago (RS) (away)And their remaining Premiership games.
Nth Harbour (home)
Counties (home)
Auckland (away)More than capable of winning all these games ..
@Steven-Harris said in Wellington vs Canterbury:
As I said last week, this is not a strong Canterbury side compared to teams of the past..there not the worst by any stretch they just don’t have the real super rugby quality players they have had in recent times..
On saying that all the talk of them as being relegated is just rubbish..These are their cross over games..
Southland
Manawatu
Northland (away)
Otago (RS) (away)And their remaining Premiership games.
Nth Harbour (home)
Counties (home)
Auckland (away)More than capable of winning all these games ..
Capable, yes. But after losing to Waikato and Wellington, I wouldn't bet my house on it. The Mooloos are worse than most of the teams listed.
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I don't think anyone thinks they'll be relegated.
What i do think is that they'll not be able to cruise the rest of the season. So unlike most years they'll not head into any potential knockout fresher than the competition.
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A bit premature talk of Canterbury getting relegated,
Wishful thinking by some I think.
Canterbury will be in the top division next season not sure about top 4 but I am sure they won’t get relegated.@CO Would be nice if they did get relegated even though it won't happen.
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@CO Would be nice if they did get relegated even though it won't happen.
@African-Monkey said in Wellington vs Canterbury:
@CO Would be nice if they did get relegated even though it won't happen.
Maybe for you,but that is as much of a chance of happening as Akira being in the WC squad
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@African-Monkey said in Wellington vs Canterbury:
@CO Would be nice if they did get relegated even though it won't happen.
Maybe for you,but that is as much of a chance of happening as Akira being in the WC squad
@CO Good call.
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@African-Monkey said in Wellington vs Canterbury:
@CO Would be nice if they did get relegated even though it won't happen.
Maybe for you,but that is as much of a chance of happening as Akira being in the WC squad
@CO said in Wellington vs Canterbury:
@African-Monkey said in Wellington vs Canterbury:
@CO Would be nice if they did get relegated even though it won't happen.
Maybe for you,but that is as much of a chance of happening as Akira being in the WC squad
I'm a huge Auckland and Blues fan, and I wouldn't ahve current Akira in my RWC squad.
2017 akira though, different story ... he needs to find his feet and get cracking. Jerome managed it; he can too, if he gets the top 2 inches right.
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@CO said in Wellington vs Canterbury:
@African-Monkey said in Wellington vs Canterbury:
@CO Would be nice if they did get relegated even though it won't happen.
Maybe for you,but that is as much of a chance of happening as Akira being in the WC squad
I'm a huge Auckland and Blues fan, and I wouldn't ahve current Akira in my RWC squad.
2017 akira though, different story ... he needs to find his feet and get cracking. Jerome managed it; he can too, if he gets the top 2 inches right.
@nzzp said in Wellington vs Canterbury:
@CO said in Wellington vs Canterbury:
@African-Monkey said in Wellington vs Canterbury:
@CO Would be nice if they did get relegated even though it won't happen.
Maybe for you,but that is as much of a chance of happening as Akira being in the WC squad
I'm a huge Auckland and Blues fan, and I wouldn't ahve current Akira in my RWC squad.
2017 akira though, different story ... he needs to find his feet and get cracking. Jerome managed it; he can too, if he gets the top 2 inches right.
Blerk. Don't come onto a Canterbury v Wellington thread and start banging on about Akira Ioane. What a fucking hoax.
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There were patches in this game that we probably looked the best we’ve been this season. But credit to Welly for applying scoreboard pressure.
Our tight forwards struggling with the pace and our loosies aren’t really impacting at the collisions.
Backs are ho-hum. We don’t have any real imagination out there with someone to create with little space. We are relying on good ball to make impact. We’ve at least had game breakers in previous seasons.
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@nzzp said in Wellington vs Canterbury:
@CO said in Wellington vs Canterbury:
@African-Monkey said in Wellington vs Canterbury:
@CO Would be nice if they did get relegated even though it won't happen.
Maybe for you,but that is as much of a chance of happening as Akira being in the WC squad
I'm a huge Auckland and Blues fan, and I wouldn't ahve current Akira in my RWC squad.
2017 akira though, different story ... he needs to find his feet and get cracking. Jerome managed it; he can too, if he gets the top 2 inches right.
Blerk. Don't come onto a Canterbury v Wellington thread and start banging on about Akira Ioane. What a fucking hoax.
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There were patches in this game that we probably looked the best we’ve been this season. But credit to Welly for applying scoreboard pressure.
Our tight forwards struggling with the pace and our loosies aren’t really impacting at the collisions.
Backs are ho-hum. We don’t have any real imagination out there with someone to create with little space. We are relying on good ball to make impact. We’ve at least had game breakers in previous seasons.
@ACT-Crusader said in Wellington vs Canterbury:
There were patches in this game that we probably looked the best we’ve been this season. But credit to Welly for applying scoreboard pressure.
Our tight forwards struggling with the pace and our loosies aren’t really impacting at the collisions.
Backs are ho-hum. We don’t have any real imagination out there with someone to create with little space. We are relying on good ball to make impact. We’ve at least had game breakers in previous seasons.
All bang on. In the loose forwards it all looks good on paper when you can pick Whitelock, Douglas, Prinsep, Harmon and Christie but in reality there are issues. Harmon has guts in droves but he's small, his back up is yet to show anything at this level, Prinsep is no more than a workmanlike journeyman, Douglas isn't having the same impact he's had for the Crusaders and Whitelock is also struggling to assert himself. What we really need in that trio is someone like an Ethan Blackadder to throw himself into the collision and blow over rucks. Is Cullen Grace worth a crack on the blindside?
I think the second row is fine with Dunshea back. We're not getting much around the field from our props though which is odd given we can select from a bunch of Super rugby players there too.
Enari has been good aside from a propensity to put up ineffective box kicks, and we have Drummond to come back in and share duties as well.
Cameron looks like a guy who pulled out one really good season as a relatively unknown quantity, and his midget stature is really starting to hurt him. He's reluctant to challenge the line, probably because he gets tossed around too easily, and it's a pop gun punt he's packing so we struggle to exert field position pressure or clear well.
Midfield I've covered. Ennor at 13, Bateman 12 should give us more punch and having Bateman ourside him can only help the dwarf running the cutter. Poihipi offers grunt off the bench.
There's pace out wide in McKay, Gilbert and Punivai but the latter needs to back himself more in half gaps, and the former needs to run it up harder from the back. Really lacking depth here though. If only we'd hung onto Alaimalo and/or Will Jordan.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Wellington vs Canterbury:
There were patches in this game that we probably looked the best we’ve been this season. But credit to Welly for applying scoreboard pressure.
Our tight forwards struggling with the pace and our loosies aren’t really impacting at the collisions.
Backs are ho-hum. We don’t have any real imagination out there with someone to create with little space. We are relying on good ball to make impact. We’ve at least had game breakers in previous seasons.
All bang on. In the loose forwards it all looks good on paper when you can pick Whitelock, Douglas, Prinsep, Harmon and Christie but in reality there are issues. Harmon has guts in droves but he's small, his back up is yet to show anything at this level, Prinsep is no more than a workmanlike journeyman, Douglas isn't having the same impact he's had for the Crusaders and Whitelock is also struggling to assert himself. What we really need in that trio is someone like an Ethan Blackadder to throw himself into the collision and blow over rucks. Is Cullen Grace worth a crack on the blindside?
I think the second row is fine with Dunshea back. We're not getting much around the field from our props though which is odd given we can select from a bunch of Super rugby players there too.
Enari has been good aside from a propensity to put up ineffective box kicks, and we have Drummond to come back in and share duties as well.
Cameron looks like a guy who pulled out one really good season as a relatively unknown quantity, and his midget stature is really starting to hurt him. He's reluctant to challenge the line, probably because he gets tossed around too easily, and it's a pop gun punt he's packing so we struggle to exert field position pressure or clear well.
Midfield I've covered. Ennor at 13, Bateman 12 should give us more punch and having Bateman ourside him can only help the dwarf running the cutter. Poihipi offers grunt off the bench.
There's pace out wide in McKay, Gilbert and Punivai but the latter needs to back himself more in half gaps, and the former needs to run it up harder from the back. Really lacking depth here though. If only we'd hung onto Alaimalo and/or Will Jordan.
@shark said in Wellington vs Canterbury:
@ACT-Crusader said in Wellington vs Canterbury:
There were patches in this game that we probably looked the best we’ve been this season. But credit to Welly for applying scoreboard pressure.
Our tight forwards struggling with the pace and our loosies aren’t really impacting at the collisions.
Backs are ho-hum. We don’t have any real imagination out there with someone to create with little space. We are relying on good ball to make impact. We’ve at least had game breakers in previous seasons.
All bang on. In the loose forwards it all looks good on paper when you can pick Whitelock, Douglas, Prinsep, Harmon and Christie but in reality there are issues. Harmon has guts in droves but he's small, his back up is yet to show anything at this level, Prinsep is no more than a workmanlike journeyman, Douglas isn't having the same impact he's had for the Crusaders and Whitelock is also struggling to assert himself. What we really need in that trio is someone like an Ethan Blackadder to throw himself into the collision and blow over rucks. Is Cullen Grace worth a crack on the blindside?
I think the second row is fine with Dunshea back. We're not getting much around the field from our props though which is odd given we can select from a bunch of Super rugby players there too.
Enari has been good aside from a propensity to put up ineffective box kicks, and we have Drummond to come back in and share duties as well.
Cameron looks like a guy who pulled out one really good season as a relatively unknown quantity, and his midget stature is really starting to hurt him. He's reluctant to challenge the line, probably because he gets tossed around too easily, and it's a pop gun punt he's packing so we struggle to exert field position pressure or clear well.
Midfield I've covered. Ennor at 13, Bateman 12 should give us more punch and having Bateman ourside him can only help the dwarf running the cutter. Poihipi offers grunt off the bench.
There's pace out wide in McKay, Gilbert and Punivai but the latter needs to back himself more in half gaps, and the former needs to run it up harder from the back. Really lacking depth here though. If only we'd hung onto Alaimalo and/or Will Jordan.
yep agree with all of that pretty much how we look in 2019
