England v Wales
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@Siam said in England v Wales:
@Kirwan the whole Marler thing creeps me out big time. Throw the book at him and get this nonsense out of rugby
One of the drawbacks to getting kids involved in our sport is the perceived culture. Years ago in NZ it was the boozing and thuggery that needed cleaning up.
I always found it quite strange that rugby has a culture that involves some strange behaviours around nudity. I've seen naked laps of the field as punishment, dick shaped drinking vessels for compulsory skulls, awrds handed out to biggest dick in the showers etc etc.
It is very 'laddish' and has largely died out in NZ due to the numbers of Polynesian players that won't participate in these 'games'. From what I saw in the UK it is still part of the game at certain levels, especially in areas with a contingent of ex public schoolboys in the clubs.
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will be interesting to see what sort of punishment is handed down to him.
So will be about the action, as there didnt appear to be malice or intent to injure or didnt appear to cause any pain, it looked like a, well, for want of a better word, playful grab...but a seriously messed up action...
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@taniwharugby said in England v Wales:
will be interesting to see what sort of punishment is handed down to him.
So will be about the action, as there didnt appear to be malice or intent to injure or didnt appear to cause any pain, it looked like a, well, for want of a better word, playful grab...but a seriously messed up action...
I think the clause is about 'unsportsmanlike behaviour' rather than injury or pain.
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@Crucial but you could be charged with that for calling someone a f#cking dick as well as touching his...
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@taniwharugby said in England v Wales:
@Crucial but you could be charged with that for calling someone a f#cking dick as well as touching his...
Yep, same category as spitting and hair-pulling. First rule to dispute though is whether the citing officer was correct that the act met the RC threshold.
Given the public reaction and repute of the game that will be a difficult one to push aside. -
For the good of the game, Marler and Eddie need to be sanctioned.
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Actually this could get interesting as although Marler has been cited for an alleged infringement of Law 9.27( A Player must not do anything that is against the spirit of good sportsmanship – Hair pulling or grabbing; Spitting at anyone; Grabbing, twisting or squeezing the genitals.....) the regulations, or rather the appendix that outlines the sanctions expressly says "Testicle grabbing or twisting or squeezing" rather than genitals.
From what I saw it looked like Marler grabbed the meat rather than the veg.
Should they win that technicality then the act falls under "Any other acts (not previously referred to) which are contrary to good sportsmanship" which has a medium entry point of 7 weeks rather than 18 -
@Bones said in England v Wales:
oh, just based on that photo, he could be in trouble. He's not even looking at the balls, that's reckless
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I'm guessing Piers boarded...
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Lawes cited for the following. Could be saved by missing (?) contact with his shoulder?
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@Tim said in England v Wales:
Lawes cited for the following. Could be saved by missing (?) contact with his shoulder?
see, for all the chat over the past couple of pages of things that should be stamped out of the game, this is what they should be looking at.
Lawes has one intention, and one intention only there, to hurt his opponent. The tackle is already made, he wants nothing more than to smash the other guy. Shoulder tucked, it's luck rather than management that AWJ didn't get fucked up. Suspend, send a message. This kind of tackle is so easy to take out of the game.
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@mariner4life said in England v Wales:
@Tim said in England v Wales:
Lawes cited for the following. Could be saved by missing (?) contact with his shoulder?
see, for all the chat over the past couple of pages of things that should be stamped out of the game, this is what they should be looking at.
Lawes has one intention, and one intention only there, to hurt his opponent. The tackle is already made, he wants nothing more than to smash the other guy. Shoulder tucked, it's luck rather than management that AWJ didn't get fucked up. Suspend, send a message. This kind of tackle is so easy to take out of the game.
Using the 'always illegal' concept, he was leading with the shoulder and was never going to do anything except smash with it. Will get a low end start point for only brushing contact although going just by that clip AWJ wasn't too impressed with what contact was made.
Hopefully his ban will raise more comment from Eddie and double whatever he has coming -
@Crucial said in England v Wales:
WR (or is it 6N?) don’t do themselves any favours when it comes to public perception do they?
A whole day to address the question of Marlers actions and nothing forthcoming.
I get that it was a Sunday but that shouldn’t play any part when there are citing deadlines.
They should have front-footed this even if it was just to say that the citing officials will be looking at it and have until x to report back.
Instead they let the media run with allsorts.
I don’t know many jobs where doing what he did wouldn’t result in severe disciplinary action. To act like “it’s part of the game” does rugby a disservice. It may be part of the public schoolboy culture that still hangs around the sport in England but that’s all the more reason to actThis really pisses me off because, when I played, a scrotum grab immediately led to a dust-up - it was not part of the game at all and, without exception, caused a fight (some minor some very major). I would expect that a scrotum grab would be a yellow card offence, but I don't know if it warrants a ban.
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@Crucial said in England v Wales:
It's just a weird thing to have associated with your sport.
Definitely. Mrs Meldrew's niece & boyfriend called it "gross".
It just ain't a good look and can't be laughed off as "part of the game".
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The Marler case is super interesting in how it has divided people.
Its an odd one in that as some have said on here already you do that at amateur level its a full on brawl and nobody would have an issue with it. I have seen fights start over someone accidentally catching a low blow. But never when I was playing did I see anyone give someone a tickle up.
But the Pros can't do that like AWJ said he has to just take it? Thats crazy. I know people go on about wanting players to have personalities and not be robots. But I think some people like Marler are just trying way to hard on this front. This whole its a joke thing just falls flat when you are the only one who thinks its funny.
As for Piers Morgan hes just being the contrarian arsehole he is. He would change his tune so quickly if this happened to one of his kids.
I think he will get a long ban to send a message. A message that no one would have thought needed to be sent a week ago.
