England v Wales
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@Bones said in England v Wales:
@mooshld right, but the difference being at club level - you're generally not close to or friends with the guy giving you a tickle. Not saying Marler and AWJ are friends, but they are likely to know each other very well.
Fuck, bags not knowing you "very well" if that's an option with your acquaintances.
An uninvited grab of genitals is acceptably rebutted with a punch in the head anywhere on the planet. Same with spitting.
Don't want to get punched? Don't grope or fondle.
Even people who know each other well wtf?
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@Siam said in England v Wales:
@Bones said in England v Wales:
@mooshld right, but the difference being at club level - you're generally not close to or friends with the guy giving you a tickle. Not saying Marler and AWJ are friends, but they are likely to know each other very well.
Fuck, bags not knowing you "very well" if that's an option with your acquaintances.
An uninvited grab of genitals is acceptably rebutted with a punch in the head anywhere on the planet. Same with spitting.
Don't want to get punched? Don't grope or fondle.
Even people who know each other well wtf?
That's cool that works for me. I'm inclined to think you're definitely in the minority if you've never had tomfoolery around dick flicks, etc.
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@MiketheSnow said in England v Wales:
@Tim said in England v Wales:
Lawes cited for the following. Could be saved by missing (?) contact with his shoulder?
Fuck me
Owen Farrell, Tom Curry, Ken Owens, Hadleigh Parks and Tuiglagi can count themselves very fucking lucky.
FIFY
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@Victor-Meldrew said in England v Wales:
@Crucial said in England v Wales:
It's just a weird thing to have associated with your sport.
Definitely. Mrs Meldrew's niece & boyfriend called it "gross".
It just ain't a good look and can't be laughed off as "part of the game".
Surprised you'd care what Mrs Meldrew's boyfriend thought
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@booboo He lives in Cornwall it is likely that niece and boyfriend are one person.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in England v Wales:
@Crucial said in England v Wales:
It's just a weird thing to have associated with your sport.
... It just ain't a good look and can't be laughed off as "part of the game".
I'm in agreement here, as someone else so ably put it, it's a dick move. But I don't really understand the frothing of the mouth by so many people about what amounted to a flick on the todger. It wasn't even a grab. No danger to life or limb. Just a stupid and invasive move. Some of the tackles in that game and of course the Frenchman's punch were far worse in the potential outcomes.
Sure cite the idiot and likely sanction him but ffs tone down the hysteria (not directly aimed at you, but I reserve the right to change my mind on that).
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Yeah, this is kind of surprising. I fully acknowledge that I'm completely outdated here (and not really bothered) but from Alun WJ stating that WR need to look into it, to Thomas feeling the need to apologise for his actions, I find this whole thing very sad indeed.
Rather a cheeky testicle grab than a sly elbow / knee to the head in a ruck. Although I'm sure little Johnny's Mummy doesn't want little Johnny playing in a game like this, I'd expect little Johnny's Daddy to pipe up and say "boys will be boys".
If I was Marler, I'd double down and say how disappointed I was that AWJ didn't play along with the gag ....
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@Catogrande said in England v Wales:
@booboo He lives in Cornwall it is likely that niece and boyfriend are one person.
Leun a konines blewek yw an gwiasva ma......
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@Catogrande said in England v Wales:
But I don't really understand the frothing of the mouth by so many people about what amounted to a flick on the todger
Yeah, a sense of perspective is needed, but the outrage is understandable - particularly in this uber-sensitive day and age.
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@Victor-Meldrew Something about a full rabbit that pales? At least that's what I'm hoping. It's probably a threat to send Joe Marler round to touch me up.
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@Catogrande said in England v Wales:
Sure cite the idiot and likely sanction him but ffs tone down the hysteria
Yep, great call.
Question for you - do you think that's a red card on the field if it gets seen?
I don't remember ever seeing anything like that (except Hopoate in league for a while). The reaction to Hopoate was feral as well
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@Bones said in England v Wales:
@Siam said in England v Wales:
@Bones said in England v Wales:
@mooshld right, but the difference being at club level - you're generally not close to or friends with the guy giving you a tickle. Not saying Marler and AWJ are friends, but they are likely to know each other very well.
Fuck, bags not knowing you "very well" if that's an option with your acquaintances.
An uninvited grab of genitals is acceptably rebutted with a punch in the head anywhere on the planet. Same with spitting.
Don't want to get punched? Don't grope or fondle.
Even people who know each other well wtf?
That's cool that works for me. I'm inclined to think you're definitely in the minority if you've never had tomfoolery around dick flicks, etc.
At Twickenham in front of an audience in the millions? Defo in the minority.
Very little equivalence in tomfoolery in a room vs a dumb act in a televised sport looking to attract people.
"Everyone does it" can't really apply to this situation
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@Victor-Meldrew said in England v Wales:
@Catogrande said in England v Wales:
@booboo He lives in Cornwall it is likely that niece and boyfriend are one person.
Leun a konines blewek yw an gwiasva ma......
Sadly Google translate doesn't do Kernewek
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This incident doesn't need comparisons to foul play causing injury. It's like spitting or abusing a ref ( both which also cause no injury - as do 90% of red cards).
Injury or personal pain are not relevant here.
Neither is this a zero sum situation- it's not a choice between a thug act and this - surely we can continue to stamp out all acts of unsportsmanlike behavior.Give him 2 to 6 weeks and make it clear that this category of behaviour is not acceptable.
Not a lot different to spitting and name calling.
A difference of opinion and perspective is now outrage?
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@nzzp said in England v Wales:
@Catogrande said in England v Wales:
Sure cite the idiot and likely sanction him but ffs tone down the hysteria
...Question for you - do you think that's a red card on the field if it gets seen? ...
I really don’t know. On the one hand it’s sort of innocuous but it’s also bang out of order. The thing is that this is not a scourge that is blighting rugby and “steps must be taken to stop this from continuing “. It’s a one off act of stupidity and by all means punish him for that but don’t pretend it’s a big issue.
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@Catogrande said in England v Wales:
@nzzp said in England v Wales:
@Catogrande said in England v Wales:
Sure cite the idiot and likely sanction him but ffs tone down the hysteria
...Question for you - do you think that's a red card on the field if it gets seen? ...
I really don’t know. On the one hand it’s sort of innocuous but it’s also bang out of order. The thing is that this is not a scourge that is blighting rugby and “steps must be taken to stop this from continuing “. It’s a one off act of stupidity and by all means punish him for that but don’t pretend it’s a big issue.
I don’t think that anyone here is saying this is a scourge that is blighting rugby. Save your argument on that front for some uneducated non fan down the pub.
Should a message be sent though? Absolutely.
Not a big issue, just one that should be condemned straight away to send a clear message that this isn’t part of the game.
I do wonder that if there wasn’t an outcry whether this would have been sidestepped by not meeting the red card threshold though. -
@Bones said in England v Wales:
Unbiased opinion.
I would suggest it was a deliberate attempt to get a reaction
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