Chiefs v Highlanders
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@Toddy said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
Wasn't it ALB all at sea in the last play
i thought it was the 23? But i could be mistaken because i had walked away in disgust
@mariner4life said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
i could be mistaken because i had walked away in disgust
And said "fuck" to your quests at your young son's birthday party.
We definitely need to meet for a beer.
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@mariner4life said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
i could be mistaken because i had walked away in disgust
And said "fuck" to your quests at your young son's birthday party.
We definitely need to meet for a beer.
@Snowy said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@mariner4life said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
i could be mistaken because i had walked away in disgust
And said "fuck" to your quests at your young son's birthday party.
We definitely need to meet for a beer.
it just came out! honest!
wait, that sounds worse...
I was so pissed though.
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@nzzp said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@pukunui said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
On the Dmac non try. The fuck up was them missing the offside in the first place. Having a whinge about them correcting the mistake is stupid.
remember George Clancy in SA and the Forward Pass?
https://www.rugbydump.com/news/tmo-calls-a-forward-pass-after-all-blacks-appear-to-have-scored/OK with the protocols being ignored? What if it was 5 phases back, or 6 ... or offside at the kickoff? How far back do you go?
http://www.rugbyrefs.com/content.php?184-George-Clancy-the-TMO&langid=3
It’s not ideal i agree. However, making the correct call is 1000x more important IMO. This game was a perfect example. If they ignore their initial fuck up, which the touch judge clearly saw because he subsequently pointed it out, because it went through one phase too many then the game is over and we never get to see one of the best comebacks in years. Or they go back 10-20m and make the correct call.
This situation also highlights that the two phase protocol is a stupid arbitrary line. Why two phases? That is hardly anything in the context of the game. Why isn’t it the last break in play like they do with foul play? Two phases is likely to lead to legitimate infringements getting missed
or the ref being over cautious and blowing a play up when he otherwise could have let it go and checked back.@pukunui said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@nzzp said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@pukunui said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
On the Dmac non try. The fuck up was them missing the offside in the first place. Having a whinge about them correcting the mistake is stupid.
remember George Clancy in SA and the Forward Pass?
https://www.rugbydump.com/news/tmo-calls-a-forward-pass-after-all-blacks-appear-to-have-scored/OK with the protocols being ignored? What if it was 5 phases back, or 6 ... or offside at the kickoff? How far back do you go?
http://www.rugbyrefs.com/content.php?184-George-Clancy-the-TMO&langid=3
It’s not ideal i agree. However, making the correct call is 1000x more important IMO. This game was a perfect example. If they ignore their initial fuck up, which the touch judge clearly saw because he subsequently pointed it out, because it went through one phase too many then the game is over and we never get to see one of the best comebacks in years. Or they go back 10-20m and make the correct call.
It sways the argument IMO because the touch judge saw it. That's different from the TMO going back to review everything because someone complained or the broadcaster keeps playing it on the big screen.
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@KiwiMurph Sorry, when I said all at sea I meant the one that complexity fucked up which was #13. He went in to take Smith when Smith was already covered. #23 was left hanging out there but it was because he trusted his inside man.
@Toddy said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@KiwiMurph Sorry, when I said all at sea I meant the one that complexity fucked up which was #13. He went in to take Smith when Smith was already covered. #23 was left hanging out there but it was because he trusted his inside man.
yep, found the highlights. ALB bites hard on Smith, leaving a monstrous gap that his player ran in to.
I'm dialing the hatred back just a little because the gap Smith is heading for looks way bigger than i thought when ALB makes a decision. And he probably can't see the defender. But it's a shit read, and from a player who should do better. And it's a shit piece of communication, and the whole defensive alignment is out of whack.
Great unders line to hit that hole, and Smith played it to perfection.
But it's all on you Anton.
where's a cat to kick?
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two late thoughts after watching the highlights
Loved collins mind games at the end, running into the maul so the chiefs would think we were going for an all in drive....and the nuggie plays it...
and i honestly think sio almost forgot to put it down...
@Kiwiwomble said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
two late thoughts after watching the highlights
Loved collins mind games at the end, running into the maul so the chiefs would think we were going for an all in drive....and the nuggie plays it...
and i honestly think sio almost forgot to put it down...
Collins joined the maul in front of the last bound player...
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@Kiwiwomble said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
two late thoughts after watching the highlights
Loved collins mind games at the end, running into the maul so the chiefs would think we were going for an all in drive....and the nuggie plays it...
and i honestly think sio almost forgot to put it down...
Collins joined the maul in front of the last bound player...
@antipodean said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@Kiwiwomble said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
two late thoughts after watching the highlights
Loved collins mind games at the end, running into the maul so the chiefs would think we were going for an all in drive....and the nuggie plays it...
and i honestly think sio almost forgot to put it down...
Collins joined the maul in front of the last bound player...
i am convinced the last penalty that gave the Highlanders the opportunity was bullshit
i can't justify that comment with anything, i just want to feel like we were stitched up
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@Kiwiwomble said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
two late thoughts after watching the highlights
Loved collins mind games at the end, running into the maul so the chiefs would think we were going for an all in drive....and the nuggie plays it...
and i honestly think sio almost forgot to put it down...
Collins joined the maul in front of the last bound player...
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Is Cane getting a bit of a pass here regarding his captaincy? Sure the Chiefs have been ravaged by injuries but they had that game. If there is one area you'd expect Cane to be able to lead from it would defending a lead. Instead all they could do was wilt under the pressure.
I guess it's better he gets the experience through the Chiefs rather than the ABs.
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I can't suggest with a straight face that the refereeing was quality. Seemed to me from the outset there'd be a game defining howler when they walked out onto the ground and then worked out the comms were a bust.
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@antipodean said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@Kiwiwomble said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
two late thoughts after watching the highlights
Loved collins mind games at the end, running into the maul so the chiefs would think we were going for an all in drive....and the nuggie plays it...
and i honestly think sio almost forgot to put it down...
Collins joined the maul in front of the last bound player...
i am convinced the last penalty that gave the Highlanders the opportunity was bullshit
i can't justify that comment with anything, i just want to feel like we were stitched up
@mariner4life said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@antipodean said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@Kiwiwomble said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
two late thoughts after watching the highlights
Loved collins mind games at the end, running into the maul so the chiefs would think we were going for an all in drive....and the nuggie plays it...
and i honestly think sio almost forgot to put it down...
Collins joined the maul in front of the last bound player...
i am convinced the last penalty that gave the Highlanders the opportunity was bullshit
i can't justify that comment with anything, i just want to feel like we were stitched up
can understand that feeling
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Is Cane getting a bit of a pass here regarding his captaincy? Sure the Chiefs have been ravaged by injuries but they had that game. If there is one area you'd expect Cane to be able to lead from it would defending a lead. Instead all they could do was wilt under the pressure.
I guess it's better he gets the experience through the Chiefs rather than the ABs.
@Toddy said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
Is Cane getting a bit of a pass here regarding his captaincy? Sure the Chiefs have been ravaged by injuries but they had that game. If there is one area you'd expect Cane to be able to lead from it would defending a lead. Instead all they could do was wilt under the pressure.
I guess it's better he gets the experience through the Chiefs rather than the ABs.
Yeah it's not great.
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that is the weird thing about announcing a captain so early...set yourself up to look a bit silly if he has a bad season and some young bucks come through
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@antipodean ....what?
@Kiwiwomble said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@antipodean ....what?
Hmm, I stand corrected. Must have been an earlier one. I was a few beers in by then.
Also; providing evidence for your assertions is a bannable offence.
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Is Cane getting a bit of a pass here regarding his captaincy? Sure the Chiefs have been ravaged by injuries but they had that game. If there is one area you'd expect Cane to be able to lead from it would defending a lead. Instead all they could do was wilt under the pressure.
I guess it's better he gets the experience through the Chiefs rather than the ABs.
I think Cane is getting a bit of a pass for his play. He gave away two penalties, plus the YC, missed four tackles (although made 15), and ran for piss all (1 carry, 2 metres).
So, he becomes the last of our quality players to drop into a form dip.
A few things I still don't get - they didn't bring on Cruden, hoping that Trask would close it out. I'm not sure why, especially as he was starting to fall off tackles (he missed 4).
The replacements may as well have not even shown up.
Geldenhuys stat line is a fucking tragedy: No metres, no carries, no passes, 3 tackles made, 1 missed, conceded 3 penalties. Yes, that's right - led the team in poor discipline off the bench. Beer earned.
Thomson is only slightly better: No metres, no carries, no passes, 4 tackles.
TTT: No metres, no carries, 3 passes, 1 tackle made, 3 misses!
Tupaea: No metres, no carries, no passes, 4 tackles, 2 misses
Takei'aho: 3 metres, 1 carry, 1 turnover conceded ( a big one too), 5 tackles, 1 missed, 1 penalty.
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@antipodean said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@Kiwiwomble said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
two late thoughts after watching the highlights
Loved collins mind games at the end, running into the maul so the chiefs would think we were going for an all in drive....and the nuggie plays it...
and i honestly think sio almost forgot to put it down...
Collins joined the maul in front of the last bound player...
i am convinced the last penalty that gave the Highlanders the opportunity was bullshit
i can't justify that comment with anything, i just want to feel like we were stitched up
@mariner4life said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
i can't justify that comment with anything, i just want to feel like we were stitched up
Definitely helps. Keep that as long as you live.
Bob Deans in 1905. I wasn't alive but I harbour the grudge well. John Dallas was the ref in case anyone wants to join in.
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I think Cane is getting a bit of a pass for his play. He gave away two penalties, plus the YC, missed four tackles (although made 15), and ran for piss all (1 carry, 2 metres).
So, he becomes the last of our quality players to drop into a form dip.
A few things I still don't get - they didn't bring on Cruden, hoping that Trask would close it out. I'm not sure why, especially as he was starting to fall off tackles (he missed 4).
The replacements may as well have not even shown up.
Geldenhuys stat line is a fucking tragedy: No metres, no carries, no passes, 3 tackles made, 1 missed, conceded 3 penalties. Yes, that's right - led the team in poor discipline off the bench. Beer earned.
Thomson is only slightly better: No metres, no carries, no passes, 4 tackles.
TTT: No metres, no carries, 3 passes, 1 tackle made, 3 misses!
Tupaea: No metres, no carries, no passes, 4 tackles, 2 misses
Takei'aho: 3 metres, 1 carry, 1 turnover conceded ( a big one too), 5 tackles, 1 missed, 1 penalty.
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is it true Nel is playing club rugby, he's been great of otago previously, thompson did some good work when at the highlanders but surely a young guy coming through should get the start
Apparently. Go figure.
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I had a look at the last try again and I think it is a bit rough to blame ALB. It was Trask's actions that caused ALB to have to come across. Bad communication I guess (and some inexperience).
Trask has the 1 channel covered just in case but when the maul shuffles over he doesn't, instead he joins the back of the maul without putting any weight on it.
Smith is on the opposite side digging the ball but sees that there is now a massive hole so presumably makes a call and runs around there. ALB sees it happening and it is high risk to leave it to Trask who is only going to side tackle at best. Meanwhile the player outside ALB is ball watching and not noticing that his mark has changed direction. He is the one left looking stupid as he had no clue what was happening.
