Chiefs v Highlanders
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I had a look at the last try again and I think it is a bit rough to blame ALB. It was Trask's actions that caused ALB to have to come across. Bad communication I guess (and some inexperience).
Trask has the 1 channel covered just in case but when the maul shuffles over he doesn't, instead he joins the back of the maul without putting any weight on it.
Smith is on the opposite side digging the ball but sees that there is now a massive hole so presumably makes a call and runs around there. ALB sees it happening and it is high risk to leave it to Trask who is only going to side tackle at best. Meanwhile the player outside ALB is ball watching and not noticing that his mark has changed direction. He is the one left looking stupid as he had no clue what was happening. -
@nzzp said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@pukunui said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
On the Dmac non try. The fuck up was them missing the offside in the first place. Having a whinge about them correcting the mistake is stupid.
remember George Clancy in SA and the Forward Pass?
https://www.rugbydump.com/news/tmo-calls-a-forward-pass-after-all-blacks-appear-to-have-scored/OK with the protocols being ignored? What if it was 5 phases back, or 6 ... or offside at the kickoff? How far back do you go?
http://www.rugbyrefs.com/content.php?184-George-Clancy-the-TMO&langid=3
It’s not ideal i agree. However, making the correct call is 1000x more important IMO. This game was a perfect example. If they ignore their initial fuck up, which the touch judge clearly saw because he subsequently pointed it out, because it went through one phase too many then the game is over and we never get to see one of the best comebacks in years. Or they go back 10-20m and make the correct call.
This situation also highlights that the two phase protocol is a stupid arbitrary line. Why two phases? That is hardly anything in the context of the game. Why isn’t it the last break in play like they do with foul play? Two phases is likely to lead to legitimate infringements getting missed
or the ref being over cautious and blowing a play up when he otherwise could have let it go and checked back.@pukunui said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
This situation also highlights that the two phase protocol is a stupid arbitrary line.
I'm yet to see that there is a (maximum) two phase protocol. Someone posted something up from the 6n and while it mentioned two phases, it certainly didn't cite that as the maximum cut off point.
Oh and it was Tupaea. Those two misses were very expensive misses.
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Well fuck. Good to screwed by the refs.
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Well fuck. Good to screwed by the refs.
@Yeetyaah said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
Well fuck. Good to screwed by the refs.
"Right decision, wrong process" doesn't exactly scream screwed. Nice to have some clarification though... even if it does seem hard to trust considering who it's from...
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"Right decision but wrong process," Lawrence tells Newshub
"I think everybody who understands rugby realises it was the right outcome...."
the chiefs were no more hard done by then we were when it was missed the first time, all even
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I get what you're both saying, but the try should have stood. Chiefs would have been up more and unreachable if it was given, like it should have been. Pure bullshit. Also considering you guys are both Landers fans and I'm a Chiefs fan we're not gonna see eye to eye either way.
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I get what you're both saying, but the try should have stood. Chiefs would have been up more and unreachable if it was given, like it should have been. Pure bullshit. Also considering you guys are both Landers fans and I'm a Chiefs fan we're not gonna see eye to eye either way.
@Yeetyaah and we have just as much right to say the offside should have been called...like i said...even, i find this whole thing baffling
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I get what you're both saying, but the try should have stood. Chiefs would have been up more and unreachable if it was given, like it should have been. Pure bullshit. Also considering you guys are both Landers fans and I'm a Chiefs fan we're not gonna see eye to eye either way.
@Yeetyaah said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
I get what you're both saying, but the try should have stood. Chiefs would have been up more and unreachable if it was given, like it should have been. Pure bullshit. Also considering you guys are both Landers fans and I'm a Chiefs fan we're not gonna see eye to eye either way.
I certainly wouldn't be crying of it was against my team.
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Well fuck. Good to screwed by the refs.
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@Yeetyaah said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
I get what you're both saying, but the try should have stood. Chiefs would have been up more and unreachable if it was given, like it should have been. Pure bullshit. Also considering you guys are both Landers fans and I'm a Chiefs fan we're not gonna see eye to eye either way.
I certainly wouldn't be crying of it was against my team.
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I get what you're both saying, but the try should have stood. Chiefs would have been up more and unreachable if it was given, like it should have been. Pure bullshit. Also considering you guys are both Landers fans and I'm a Chiefs fan we're not gonna see eye to eye either way.
@Yeetyaah said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
I get what you're both saying, but the try should have stood. Chiefs would have been up more and unreachable if it was given
The way this season has gone, Gatland would've then found a way to sub the waterboy on at prop...
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What a game of rugby ! The best of the season so far IMO. Full of cracking actions, dramatic finale. However, it raises a few question : why Gatland did not call Cruden when the Highlanders began their comeback ? His experience would have been welcome when most of the team was panicking. Is Sam Cane the right captain for the All Blacks ? From what we saw in this game, the answer is clearly no.
@ Pukunui : Boshier was back to his earlier form. He is a 6/7, so I don't know whether there will be a place for him in the AB squad, as Papali'i is the same type of loose forward, but with more physicality.
Who was the best 8 on the park : MMT or Sowakula ? The latter has been rubbish so far but he was on fire against the Highlanders.
Frizell is the form 6 of the SRA. He was impressive this Sunday. I hope he can replicate this kind of performance with the ABs. -
What a game of rugby ! The best of the season so far IMO. Full of cracking actions, dramatic finale. However, it raises a few question : why Gatland did not call Cruden when the Highlanders began their comeback ? His experience would have been welcome when most of the team was panicking. Is Sam Cane the right captain for the All Blacks ? From what we saw in this game, the answer is clearly no.
@ Pukunui : Boshier was back to his earlier form. He is a 6/7, so I don't know whether there will be a place for him in the AB squad, as Papali'i is the same type of loose forward, but with more physicality.
Who was the best 8 on the park : MMT or Sowakula ? The latter has been rubbish so far but he was on fire against the Highlanders.
Frizell is the form 6 of the SRA. He was impressive this Sunday. I hope he can replicate this kind of performance with the ABs.@cgrant said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
Is Sam Cane the right captain for the All Blacks ? From what we saw in this game, the answer is clearly no.
Welp no where near as bad as McCaw and the 2007 Quarter Final.
Personally I wouldn't judge on one game, although I know it is the Fern Way (TM)
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What a game of rugby ! The best of the season so far IMO. Full of cracking actions, dramatic finale. However, it raises a few question : why Gatland did not call Cruden when the Highlanders began their comeback ? His experience would have been welcome when most of the team was panicking. Is Sam Cane the right captain for the All Blacks ? From what we saw in this game, the answer is clearly no.
@ Pukunui : Boshier was back to his earlier form. He is a 6/7, so I don't know whether there will be a place for him in the AB squad, as Papali'i is the same type of loose forward, but with more physicality.
Who was the best 8 on the park : MMT or Sowakula ? The latter has been rubbish so far but he was on fire against the Highlanders.
Frizell is the form 6 of the SRA. He was impressive this Sunday. I hope he can replicate this kind of performance with the ABs.@cgrant said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
Is Sam Cane the right captain for the All Blacks ?
I've seen this one about a bit. I'm happy to wait and see how Cane goes as captain of the AB's though eh.....surrounded by AB's and not the unfortunate chiefs....
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@Kiwiwomble said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
two late thoughts after watching the highlights
Loved collins mind games at the end, running into the maul so the chiefs would think we were going for an all in drive....and the nuggie plays it...
and i honestly think sio almost forgot to put it down...
who was the dipshit for us that completely unnecessarily went in on Smith leaving the world's biggest hole right on our lie? That's a read that will haunt you for ages
@mariner4life said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@Kiwiwomble said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
two late thoughts after watching the highlights
Loved collins mind games at the end, running into the maul so the chiefs would think we were going for an all in drive....and the nuggie plays it...
and i honestly think sio almost forgot to put it down...
who was the dipshit for us that completely unnecessarily went in on Smith leaving the world's biggest hole right on our lie? That's a read that will haunt you for ages
It was ALB going in on Smith, which was compounded by Tupaea staying out rather than reading Tomkinson's under line. Terrible play by the both of them.
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@mariner4life said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@Kiwiwomble said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
two late thoughts after watching the highlights
Loved collins mind games at the end, running into the maul so the chiefs would think we were going for an all in drive....and the nuggie plays it...
and i honestly think sio almost forgot to put it down...
who was the dipshit for us that completely unnecessarily went in on Smith leaving the world's biggest hole right on our lie? That's a read that will haunt you for ages
It was ALB going in on Smith, which was compounded by Tupaea staying out rather than reading Tomkinson's under line. Terrible play by the both of them.
@junior said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@mariner4life said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@Kiwiwomble said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
two late thoughts after watching the highlights
Loved collins mind games at the end, running into the maul so the chiefs would think we were going for an all in drive....and the nuggie plays it...
and i honestly think sio almost forgot to put it down...
who was the dipshit for us that completely unnecessarily went in on Smith leaving the world's biggest hole right on our lie? That's a read that will haunt you for ages
It was ALB going in on Smith, which was compounded by Tupaea staying out rather than reading Tomkinson's under line. Terrible play by the both of them.
If Trask had stayed defending his channel instead of joining the maul ALB wouldn’t have felt the need to come in.
Smith brilliantly split the distance from both of them.
Then Tupaea was caught watching the ball instead of the man -
Tupaea looked gassed at the end...or lazy defending. I'm going with gassed. None of the Chiefs have done their AB chances any good. Luckily for Cane and ALB they are shoo-ins because on form they might be struggling. Boshier was looking great pre lockdown but not sure he makes the ABs anymore.
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@junior said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@mariner4life said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@Kiwiwomble said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
two late thoughts after watching the highlights
Loved collins mind games at the end, running into the maul so the chiefs would think we were going for an all in drive....and the nuggie plays it...
and i honestly think sio almost forgot to put it down...
who was the dipshit for us that completely unnecessarily went in on Smith leaving the world's biggest hole right on our lie? That's a read that will haunt you for ages
It was ALB going in on Smith, which was compounded by Tupaea staying out rather than reading Tomkinson's under line. Terrible play by the both of them.
If Trask had stayed defending his channel instead of joining the maul ALB wouldn’t have felt the need to come in.
Smith brilliantly split the distance from both of them.
Then Tupaea was caught watching the ball instead of the man@Crucial said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@junior said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@mariner4life said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@Kiwiwomble said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
two late thoughts after watching the highlights
Loved collins mind games at the end, running into the maul so the chiefs would think we were going for an all in drive....and the nuggie plays it...
and i honestly think sio almost forgot to put it down...
who was the dipshit for us that completely unnecessarily went in on Smith leaving the world's biggest hole right on our lie? That's a read that will haunt you for ages
It was ALB going in on Smith, which was compounded by Tupaea staying out rather than reading Tomkinson's under line. Terrible play by the both of them.
If Trask had stayed defending his channel instead of joining the maul ALB wouldn’t have felt the need to come in.
Smith brilliantly split the distance from both of them.
Then Tupaea was caught watching the ball instead of the manTerrible play from all three of them then
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@Toddy said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@KiwiMurph Sorry, when I said all at sea I meant the one that complexity fucked up which was #13. He went in to take Smith when Smith was already covered. #23 was left hanging out there but it was because he trusted his inside man.
yep, found the highlights. ALB bites hard on Smith, leaving a monstrous gap that his player ran in to.
I'm dialing the hatred back just a little because the gap Smith is heading for looks way bigger than i thought when ALB makes a decision. And he probably can't see the defender. But it's a shit read, and from a player who should do better. And it's a shit piece of communication, and the whole defensive alignment is out of whack.
Great unders line to hit that hole, and Smith played it to perfection.
But it's all on you Anton.
where's a cat to kick?
@mariner4life said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@Toddy said in Chiefs v Highlanders:
@KiwiMurph Sorry, when I said all at sea I meant the one that complexity fucked up which was #13. He went in to take Smith when Smith was already covered. #23 was left hanging out there but it was because he trusted his inside man.
yep, found the highlights. ALB bites hard on Smith, leaving a monstrous gap that his player ran in to.
I'm dialing the hatred back just a little because the gap Smith is heading for looks way bigger than i thought when ALB makes a decision. And he probably can't see the defender. But it's a shit read, and from a player who should do better. And it's a shit piece of communication, and the whole defensive alignment is out of whack.
Great unders line to hit that hole, and Smith played it to perfection.
But it's all on you Anton.
where's a cat to kick?
Crotty would never have made that mistake.....of course when he’s actually on the field that is
