Hawke's Bay v Canterbury
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Had a rewatch this morning over breakfast. Those idiot maul calls still making me fume a bit.
Hopefully the Canes coach was watching Flanders in this match, he's a beast when you give him a decent amount of rugby. The favoured son at the Canes, Prinsep was invisible the first 60 minutes.
I think Fakatava's game was was somewhere a bit in between the good that some are giving it and the bad others are. His decision making was off yesterday, especially compared with last year. You'd think being down and learning from Smith would help in that regard, but it's gotten worse ... maybe that hair dye is leaking into his brain. His little kicks with attacking ball needs to be shelved, but I think he needs to start again to keep the Hasting Boys 8-12 combo.
Dixon seems to get better with age, pity it appears to late for an AB call up. Parsons did the business too, glad he actually stayed this year.
Lowe had a good game even though he really doesn't get ball in space too often.
It's quite handy having Evans come on as a replacement. Stacking our bench with our ex All Black. ILW coming on and smashing everything certainly helped too.
@Nepia It's funny how Ozich has swapped Mikaele-Tu'u and Flanders, compared to where they played at SR level. I definitely think that 8 is the best position for both, but for some reason he prefers Flanders at the back of the scrum. Not sure why, but it may have to do with that Hastings Boys' 8 - 12 combo you're talking about? I'm not sure it's good for Mikaele-Tu'u, but it's definitely good for Flanders to get all this game time at 8. It will be interesting to see what the line-up will be, next week. Will Evans be preferred at 8, or does he stay on the bench? Or will they move him to 7, with O'Connor moving to the bench?
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He threw it forward.
Its cool, they got away with one. I'm of the view rugby codes shouldn't be viewed under a microscope and frame by frame anyway
@mariner4life said in Hawke's Bay v Canterbury:
He threw it forward.
Its cool, they got away with one. I'm of the view rugby codes shouldn't be viewed under a microscope and frame by frame anyway
Agree on both counts, which is why I hadn't examined it until it was mentioned. Then, frame by frame, its a forward pass. But in real time, looks ok. I think a factor which takes away from the 'it's allowed to drift forward' argument is that it was a relatively short pass.
When I played, we were taught to pass backwards. Then any forward momentum drift would result in a flat pass. These days it seems flat passes are the teaching and surprise surprise, they often float forward. I don't know why this needs to be justified.
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I was extremely magnanimous in victory last night, congratulating every Canterbury supporter in the clubrooms on their well deserved bonus point. Well not quite all as one turned out to confess later on that he was born in Hastings. That detail did not stop him demonstrating total support to Canterbury throughout. Thought seriously about aiming incorrectly when running into him in the urinal! The hangover is improving.
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@mariner4life said in Hawke's Bay v Canterbury:
He threw it forward.
Its cool, they got away with one. I'm of the view rugby codes shouldn't be viewed under a microscope and frame by frame anyway
Agree on both counts, which is why I hadn't examined it until it was mentioned. Then, frame by frame, its a forward pass. But in real time, looks ok. I think a factor which takes away from the 'it's allowed to drift forward' argument is that it was a relatively short pass.
When I played, we were taught to pass backwards. Then any forward momentum drift would result in a flat pass. These days it seems flat passes are the teaching and surprise surprise, they often float forward. I don't know why this needs to be justified.
@shark have been plenty of those short balls this season have looked forward but are let go without even a second look, especially when a number have resulted in a try and they could have had a look, but didnt...
maybe the refs were admiring the sweeping movements too much to worry about what thier job was
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@African-Monkey Maybe Ben Lam's spot at the Canes?
@Stargazer could do a lot worse. Wouldn't say no to him coming to the blues tbh (obviously it won't happen).
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Some guys still don't know how it works aye. It's not about where a player catches the ball, a ball is allowed to drift forward; it's about where players are when the pass is made. At the time that O'Connor passed the ball, Visinia was next to him (to be more precise, about a footlength behind him).
The second thing that you need to look at is the position of the hand of the player passing the ball. The ball should leave his hands backward. And that's exactly what O'Connor did.
So it was the flattest of flat balls. Near perfect. Not forward.
Sorry, I didn't manage to make a better screenshot. This is just after the ball left O'Connor's hand. O'Connor is still a tiny bit in front (look at their feet). And there's a good reason why Visinia was in front of him a second or two later: O'Connor was tackled and Visinia is faster. The ball drifted forward; that happens when you pass a ball while running. Physics.
@Stargazer Regardless of whether it was forward or not, it still annoys me that the receiver stands so flat. Have seen many passes called forward because of this.
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I was extremely magnanimous in victory last night, congratulating every Canterbury supporter in the clubrooms on their well deserved bonus point. Well not quite all as one turned out to confess later on that he was born in Hastings. That detail did not stop him demonstrating total support to Canterbury throughout. Thought seriously about aiming incorrectly when running into him in the urinal! The hangover is improving.
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@Nepia It's funny how Ozich has swapped Mikaele-Tu'u and Flanders, compared to where they played at SR level. I definitely think that 8 is the best position for both, but for some reason he prefers Flanders at the back of the scrum. Not sure why, but it may have to do with that Hastings Boys' 8 - 12 combo you're talking about? I'm not sure it's good for Mikaele-Tu'u, but it's definitely good for Flanders to get all this game time at 8. It will be interesting to see what the line-up will be, next week. Will Evans be preferred at 8, or does he stay on the bench? Or will they move him to 7, with O'Connor moving to the bench?
@Stargazer said in Hawke's Bay v Canterbury:
@Nepia It's funny how Ozich has swapped Mikaele-Tu'u and Flanders, compared to where they played at SR level. I definitely think that 8 is the best position for both, but for some reason he prefers Flanders at the back of the scrum. Not sure why, but it may have to do with that Hastings Boys' 8 - 12 combo you're talking about? I'm not sure it's good for Mikaele-Tu'u, but it's definitely good for Flanders to get all this game time at 8. It will be interesting to see what the line-up will be, next week. Will Evans be preferred at 8, or does he stay on the bench? Or will they move him to 7, with O'Connor moving to the bench?
I haven't in the past been a fan of Evans at 7 but it's the best way to get all three on at the same time. What's going in HB at the moment that we're pumping out 8s - including Hugh Renton who's getting starts for @Chris-B's Invitational Money Bags XV.
@Higgins said in Hawke's Bay v Canterbury:
I was extremely magnanimous in victory last night, congratulating every Canterbury supporter in the clubrooms on their well deserved bonus point. Well not quite all as one turned out to confess later on that he was born in Hastings. That detail did not stop him demonstrating total support to Canterbury throughout. Thought seriously about aiming incorrectly when running into him in the urinal! The hangover is improving.
I've been pretty subdued too, but @shark's carry on in this thread is making me reach for my list of dodgy ref decisions and illegal play by Canterbury I compiled on my rewatch this morning.
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@Stargazer said in Hawke's Bay v Canterbury:
@Nepia It's funny how Ozich has swapped Mikaele-Tu'u and Flanders, compared to where they played at SR level. I definitely think that 8 is the best position for both, but for some reason he prefers Flanders at the back of the scrum. Not sure why, but it may have to do with that Hastings Boys' 8 - 12 combo you're talking about? I'm not sure it's good for Mikaele-Tu'u, but it's definitely good for Flanders to get all this game time at 8. It will be interesting to see what the line-up will be, next week. Will Evans be preferred at 8, or does he stay on the bench? Or will they move him to 7, with O'Connor moving to the bench?
I haven't in the past been a fan of Evans at 7 but it's the best way to get all three on at the same time. What's going in HB at the moment that we're pumping out 8s - including Hugh Renton who's getting starts for @Chris-B's Invitational Money Bags XV.
@Higgins said in Hawke's Bay v Canterbury:
I was extremely magnanimous in victory last night, congratulating every Canterbury supporter in the clubrooms on their well deserved bonus point. Well not quite all as one turned out to confess later on that he was born in Hastings. That detail did not stop him demonstrating total support to Canterbury throughout. Thought seriously about aiming incorrectly when running into him in the urinal! The hangover is improving.
I've been pretty subdued too, but @shark's carry on in this thread is making me reach for my list of dodgy ref decisions and illegal play by Canterbury I compiled on my rewatch this morning.
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@Chris-B said in Hawke's Bay v Canterbury:
@Nepia Doubtless a legacy of the teachings of Mike Coman!
Damn, we must have had terrible stocks back then for Coman to get regular gametime - he'd be holding tackle bags at practice in todays team. Anyway, we're repaying the favour with Renton.
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@Chris-B said in Hawke's Bay v Canterbury:
@Nepia Doubtless a legacy of the teachings of Mike Coman!
Damn, we must have had terrible stocks back then for Coman to get regular gametime - he'd be holding tackle bags at practice in todays team. Anyway, we're repaying the favour with Renton.
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Generally speaking I don't like hangovers, but this one I'm strangely enjoying. That game last night was something special, not just because Hawkes Bay won it but because it had a bit of everything. Hawkes Bay started well, moved Canterbury around and kept the attacking mindset. The set piece namely the scrum was strong, and out wide Visinia and Lowe were on fire. Toala looked full of running and Baker at the back looked very assured. Fokatava played well, but too many inside flick passes. Canterbury as per usual after halftime came out full of fire, and looked to be pulling away towards the 70 minute mark, but for me the best part of this game was that Hawkes Bay stayed tough, stayed in the fight and never gave in. Devan Flanders, Ash Dixon, Tom Parsons, Joe Apikitoa take a bow, you were all simply brilliant. Brendan O'Connor likewise at the breakdown. Jason Long magnificent last scrum, and good to see he like the rest of the pack never gave in and conceded. 1982 seems a long time ago, and is but this Hawkes Bay effort showed everything you want to see in players in the Black and White jersey. Great game, great effort, and for once an enjoyable hangover. Well done boys.
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@Stargazer said in Hawke's Bay v Canterbury:
@Nepia It's funny how Ozich has swapped Mikaele-Tu'u and Flanders, compared to where they played at SR level. I definitely think that 8 is the best position for both, but for some reason he prefers Flanders at the back of the scrum. Not sure why, but it may have to do with that Hastings Boys' 8 - 12 combo you're talking about? I'm not sure it's good for Mikaele-Tu'u, but it's definitely good for Flanders to get all this game time at 8. It will be interesting to see what the line-up will be, next week. Will Evans be preferred at 8, or does he stay on the bench? Or will they move him to 7, with O'Connor moving to the bench?
I haven't in the past been a fan of Evans at 7 but it's the best way to get all three on at the same time. What's going in HB at the moment that we're pumping out 8s - including Hugh Renton who's getting starts for @Chris-B's Invitational Money Bags XV.
@Higgins said in Hawke's Bay v Canterbury:
I was extremely magnanimous in victory last night, congratulating every Canterbury supporter in the clubrooms on their well deserved bonus point. Well not quite all as one turned out to confess later on that he was born in Hastings. That detail did not stop him demonstrating total support to Canterbury throughout. Thought seriously about aiming incorrectly when running into him in the urinal! The hangover is improving.
I've been pretty subdued too, but @shark's carry on in this thread is making me reach for my list of dodgy ref decisions and illegal play by Canterbury I compiled on my rewatch this morning.
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@Nepia It's funny how Ozich has swapped Mikaele-Tu'u and Flanders, compared to where they played at SR level. I definitely think that 8 is the best position for both, but for some reason he prefers Flanders at the back of the scrum. Not sure why, but it may have to do with that Hastings Boys' 8 - 12 combo you're talking about? I'm not sure it's good for Mikaele-Tu'u, but it's definitely good for Flanders to get all this game time at 8. It will be interesting to see what the line-up will be, next week. Will Evans be preferred at 8, or does he stay on the bench? Or will they move him to 7, with O'Connor moving to the bench?
@Stargazer yeah MMT has been very quiet at 6.
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Parsons has been outstanding. It's incredible he did not get a contract for the SR while teams like the Canes or the Chiefs had to field undersized and inexperienced locks.
@cgrant said in Hawke's Bay v Canterbury:
Parsons has been outstanding. It's incredible he did not get a contract for the SR while teams like the Canes or the Chiefs had to field undersized and inexperienced locks.
I'm paying a lot more attention to him this season. He was drafted into the Blues this year and I'd never even heard of him!
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@cgrant said in Hawke's Bay v Canterbury:
Parsons has been outstanding. It's incredible he did not get a contract for the SR while teams like the Canes or the Chiefs had to field undersized and inexperienced locks.
I'm paying a lot more attention to him this season. He was drafted into the Blues this year and I'd never even heard of him!
@shark He didn't get drafted into the Blues. It was the Highlanders wasn't it?
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@cgrant said in Hawke's Bay v Canterbury:
Parsons has been outstanding. It's incredible he did not get a contract for the SR while teams like the Canes or the Chiefs had to field undersized and inexperienced locks.
I'm paying a lot more attention to him this season. He was drafted into the Blues this year and I'd never even heard of him!
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Parsons has been outstanding. It's incredible he did not get a contract for the SR while teams like the Canes or the Chiefs had to field undersized and inexperienced locks.
@cgrant Yeah, he has been good for years and was training with the Canes during preseason in 2019. He has been around their development team (Hurricanes Hunters) for years. It's mind-boggling that has never been signed, esp by the Canes. I hope this year's stint with the Highlanders leads to something; either in Dunedin or elsewhere.
