Premiership Semi-Final: Auckland v Waikato
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@KiwiMurph said in Premiership Semi-Final: Auckland v Waikato:
Did anyone else think Luke Jacobson was rather quiet?
He was on fire at no.8 until little brother got injured. I don't think Messam had had much impact in recent games, but you can't beat the experience he and Thomson provided.
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Auckland played like a team expecting to win by 20.
Good to win without getting out of second gear, but need way more intensity next week. If we click, we’ll be hard to beat.
Last five minutes were a tough watch, like playing spin the wheel waiting for which way the arm would go in the penalties.
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Auckland played like a team expecting to win by 20.
Good to win without getting out of second gear, but need way more intensity next week. If we click, we’ll be hard to beat.
Last five minutes were a tough watch, like playing spin the wheel waiting for which way the arm would go in the penalties.
@Kirwan said in Premiership Semi-Final: Auckland v Waikato:
Auckland played like a team expecting to win by 20.
Good to win without getting out of second gear, but need way more intensity next week. If we click, we’ll be hard to beat.
Last five minutes were a tough watch, like playing spin the wheel waiting for which way the arm would go in the penalties.
Just got back from the game. Everything seemed flat.
Auckland gifted some really easy points in the first half, the error rate was too high and the normally strong defence was inconsistent.
Is Gibson due back next week? It looked like they need a calm head out there. No need to attempt every offload and put the short kicking game away inside our own half
Pickerell should not be inflicted on a knockout match
The positives - 2 home finals in 3 years & Auckland can play a lot better than that.
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@KiwiMurph he favours on the defensive team over the ball, does not even give the tackle player time for a clear release ..to me this is his biggest weakness and also seems to pick and choose when players are cleaned out from the side ..
@Steven-Harris said in Premiership Semi-Final: Auckland v Waikato:
@KiwiMurph he favours on the defensive team over the ball, does not even give the tackle player time for a clear release ..to me this is his biggest weakness and also seems to pick and choose when players are cleaned out from the side ..
Well done to both sides and especially Auckland for holding on for the win.
That last penalty call was very poor. One, he did not give time for Waikato player to place the ball and two, the Auckland player was cleaned off his feet but didn’t take hands off the ball.
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@KiwiMurph said in Premiership Semi-Final: Auckland v Waikato:
Pickerall is always super quick on the breakdown penalty.
Consistent both ways but the problem is it means the games he refs are super stop start.
My problem with breakdown penalties, and this is not just him, is that often there will be at least one or two attackers cleaning out the guy going for the ball, and they still get the penalty anyway despite the fact it all happens in a split second. (Unless of course they changed that law since I last read the laws).
@Nepia said in Premiership Semi-Final: Auckland v Waikato:
@KiwiMurph said in Premiership Semi-Final: Auckland v Waikato:
Pickerall is always super quick on the breakdown penalty.
Consistent both ways but the problem is it means the games he refs are super stop start.
My problem with breakdown penalties, and this is not just him, is that often there will be at least one or two attackers cleaning out the guy going for the ball, and they still get the penalty anyway despite the fact it all happens in a split second. (Unless of course they changed that law since I last read the laws).
I don't see the problem with this. A tackled player has to release the ball straight away and cannot play it on the ground. If they are holding on, they should get blown against. The player with the ball should just release it and then there can be a fair contest for the ball. It is a lot easier for the jackler if the tackled player holds onto the ball. If the tackled player releases it, the jackler has to actually pick the ball up cleanly while the other team is trying to win it back.
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@Nepia said in Premiership Semi-Final: Auckland v Waikato:
@KiwiMurph said in Premiership Semi-Final: Auckland v Waikato:
Pickerall is always super quick on the breakdown penalty.
Consistent both ways but the problem is it means the games he refs are super stop start.
My problem with breakdown penalties, and this is not just him, is that often there will be at least one or two attackers cleaning out the guy going for the ball, and they still get the penalty anyway despite the fact it all happens in a split second. (Unless of course they changed that law since I last read the laws).
I don't see the problem with this. A tackled player has to release the ball straight away and cannot play it on the ground. If they are holding on, they should get blown against. The player with the ball should just release it and then there can be a fair contest for the ball. It is a lot easier for the jackler if the tackled player holds onto the ball. If the tackled player releases it, the jackler has to actually pick the ball up cleanly while the other team is trying to win it back.
@hydro11 said in Premiership Semi-Final: Auckland v Waikato:
@Nepia said in Premiership Semi-Final: Auckland v Waikato:
@KiwiMurph said in Premiership Semi-Final: Auckland v Waikato:
Pickerall is always super quick on the breakdown penalty.
Consistent both ways but the problem is it means the games he refs are super stop start.
My problem with breakdown penalties, and this is not just him, is that often there will be at least one or two attackers cleaning out the guy going for the ball, and they still get the penalty anyway despite the fact it all happens in a split second. (Unless of course they changed that law since I last read the laws).
I don't see the problem with this. A tackled player has to release the ball straight away and cannot play it on the ground. If they are holding on, they should get blown against. The player with the ball should just release it and then there can be a fair contest for the ball. It is a lot easier for the jackler if the tackled player holds onto the ball. If the tackled player releases it, the jackler has to actually pick the ball up cleanly while the other team is trying to win it back.
I'm not talking about the clear and obvious ones.
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I still don't hear this TJ anti Auckland stuff many on here moan about and I am listening for it.
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I still don't hear this TJ anti Auckland stuff many on here moan about and I am listening for it.
@Crazy-Horse I never used to either but I certainly did today. He does it in a subtle manner but not as subtle today. The last try we scored, he sounded like he was still upset about Hamilton Burr's blatant shoulder charge on Ta'avao which was correctly penalised. They try deserves far better commentary as it was an absolute cracker, but TJ was too busy wanting to slag off the Auckland team as a result.
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@Crazy-Horse I never used to either but I certainly did today. He does it in a subtle manner but not as subtle today. The last try we scored, he sounded like he was still upset about Hamilton Burr's blatant shoulder charge on Ta'avao which was correctly penalised. They try deserves far better commentary as it was an absolute cracker, but TJ was too busy wanting to slag off the Auckland team as a result.
@African-Monkey hopefully it's a Ta$man Auckland final next week and TJ calls it. If ever I am going to hear it that will be the time.
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@African-Monkey hopefully it's a Ta$man Auckland final next week and TJ calls it. If ever I am going to hear it that will be the time.
@Crazy-Horse Yeah hopefully him and his son Kane Hames.
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@hydro11 said in Premiership Semi-Final: Auckland v Waikato:
@Nepia said in Premiership Semi-Final: Auckland v Waikato:
@KiwiMurph said in Premiership Semi-Final: Auckland v Waikato:
Pickerall is always super quick on the breakdown penalty.
Consistent both ways but the problem is it means the games he refs are super stop start.
My problem with breakdown penalties, and this is not just him, is that often there will be at least one or two attackers cleaning out the guy going for the ball, and they still get the penalty anyway despite the fact it all happens in a split second. (Unless of course they changed that law since I last read the laws).
I don't see the problem with this. A tackled player has to release the ball straight away and cannot play it on the ground. If they are holding on, they should get blown against. The player with the ball should just release it and then there can be a fair contest for the ball. It is a lot easier for the jackler if the tackled player holds onto the ball. If the tackled player releases it, the jackler has to actually pick the ball up cleanly while the other team is trying to win it back.
I'm not talking about the clear and obvious ones.
@Nepia said in Premiership Semi-Final: Auckland v Waikato:
@hydro11 said in Premiership Semi-Final: Auckland v Waikato:
@Nepia said in Premiership Semi-Final: Auckland v Waikato:
@KiwiMurph said in Premiership Semi-Final: Auckland v Waikato:
Pickerall is always super quick on the breakdown penalty.
Consistent both ways but the problem is it means the games he refs are super stop start.
My problem with breakdown penalties, and this is not just him, is that often there will be at least one or two attackers cleaning out the guy going for the ball, and they still get the penalty anyway despite the fact it all happens in a split second. (Unless of course they changed that law since I last read the laws).
I don't see the problem with this. A tackled player has to release the ball straight away and cannot play it on the ground. If they are holding on, they should get blown against. The player with the ball should just release it and then there can be a fair contest for the ball. It is a lot easier for the jackler if the tackled player holds onto the ball. If the tackled player releases it, the jackler has to actually pick the ball up cleanly while the other team is trying to win it back.
I'm not talking about the clear and obvious ones.
In my view it is always clear and obvious. The tackled player has to immediately release the ball. Any delay should be penalised.
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@Nepia said in Premiership Semi-Final: Auckland v Waikato:
@hydro11 said in Premiership Semi-Final: Auckland v Waikato:
@Nepia said in Premiership Semi-Final: Auckland v Waikato:
@KiwiMurph said in Premiership Semi-Final: Auckland v Waikato:
Pickerall is always super quick on the breakdown penalty.
Consistent both ways but the problem is it means the games he refs are super stop start.
My problem with breakdown penalties, and this is not just him, is that often there will be at least one or two attackers cleaning out the guy going for the ball, and they still get the penalty anyway despite the fact it all happens in a split second. (Unless of course they changed that law since I last read the laws).
I don't see the problem with this. A tackled player has to release the ball straight away and cannot play it on the ground. If they are holding on, they should get blown against. The player with the ball should just release it and then there can be a fair contest for the ball. It is a lot easier for the jackler if the tackled player holds onto the ball. If the tackled player releases it, the jackler has to actually pick the ball up cleanly while the other team is trying to win it back.
I'm not talking about the clear and obvious ones.
In my view it is always clear and obvious. The tackled player has to immediately release the ball. Any delay should be penalised.
@hydro11 said in Premiership Semi-Final: Auckland v Waikato:
@Nepia said in Premiership Semi-Final: Auckland v Waikato:
@hydro11 said in Premiership Semi-Final: Auckland v Waikato:
@Nepia said in Premiership Semi-Final: Auckland v Waikato:
@KiwiMurph said in Premiership Semi-Final: Auckland v Waikato:
Pickerall is always super quick on the breakdown penalty.
Consistent both ways but the problem is it means the games he refs are super stop start.
My problem with breakdown penalties, and this is not just him, is that often there will be at least one or two attackers cleaning out the guy going for the ball, and they still get the penalty anyway despite the fact it all happens in a split second. (Unless of course they changed that law since I last read the laws).
I don't see the problem with this. A tackled player has to release the ball straight away and cannot play it on the ground. If they are holding on, they should get blown against. The player with the ball should just release it and then there can be a fair contest for the ball. It is a lot easier for the jackler if the tackled player holds onto the ball. If the tackled player releases it, the jackler has to actually pick the ball up cleanly while the other team is trying to win it back.
I'm not talking about the clear and obvious ones.
In my view it is always clear and obvious. The tackled player has to immediately release the ball. Any delay should be penalised.
The problem is if you ref it that way you end up with non stop penalties - a stop/start game.
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@hydro11 said in Premiership Semi-Final: Auckland v Waikato:
@Nepia said in Premiership Semi-Final: Auckland v Waikato:
@hydro11 said in Premiership Semi-Final: Auckland v Waikato:
@Nepia said in Premiership Semi-Final: Auckland v Waikato:
@KiwiMurph said in Premiership Semi-Final: Auckland v Waikato:
Pickerall is always super quick on the breakdown penalty.
Consistent both ways but the problem is it means the games he refs are super stop start.
My problem with breakdown penalties, and this is not just him, is that often there will be at least one or two attackers cleaning out the guy going for the ball, and they still get the penalty anyway despite the fact it all happens in a split second. (Unless of course they changed that law since I last read the laws).
I don't see the problem with this. A tackled player has to release the ball straight away and cannot play it on the ground. If they are holding on, they should get blown against. The player with the ball should just release it and then there can be a fair contest for the ball. It is a lot easier for the jackler if the tackled player holds onto the ball. If the tackled player releases it, the jackler has to actually pick the ball up cleanly while the other team is trying to win it back.
I'm not talking about the clear and obvious ones.
In my view it is always clear and obvious. The tackled player has to immediately release the ball. Any delay should be penalised.
The problem is if you ref it that way you end up with non stop penalties - a stop/start game.
@KiwiMurph said in Premiership Semi-Final: Auckland v Waikato:
@hydro11 said in Premiership Semi-Final: Auckland v Waikato:
@Nepia said in Premiership Semi-Final: Auckland v Waikato:
@hydro11 said in Premiership Semi-Final: Auckland v Waikato:
@Nepia said in Premiership Semi-Final: Auckland v Waikato:
@KiwiMurph said in Premiership Semi-Final: Auckland v Waikato:
Pickerall is always super quick on the breakdown penalty.
Consistent both ways but the problem is it means the games he refs are super stop start.
My problem with breakdown penalties, and this is not just him, is that often there will be at least one or two attackers cleaning out the guy going for the ball, and they still get the penalty anyway despite the fact it all happens in a split second. (Unless of course they changed that law since I last read the laws).
I don't see the problem with this. A tackled player has to release the ball straight away and cannot play it on the ground. If they are holding on, they should get blown against. The player with the ball should just release it and then there can be a fair contest for the ball. It is a lot easier for the jackler if the tackled player holds onto the ball. If the tackled player releases it, the jackler has to actually pick the ball up cleanly while the other team is trying to win it back.
I'm not talking about the clear and obvious ones.
In my view it is always clear and obvious. The tackled player has to immediately release the ball. Any delay should be penalised.
The problem is if you ref it that way you end up with non stop penalties - a stop/start game.
I think the main thing is that a jackler has to get on the ball. So if a player doesn't release but a jackler isn't there it's not a penalty as no advantage is gained by the infringement.
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@Kirwan said in Premiership Semi-Final: Auckland v Waikato:
And Rayasi is playing like an All Black.
What giving away stupid penalties and not giving a full effort cod they think they're going to win by 20?
@Machpants said in Premiership Semi-Final: Auckland v Waikato:
@Kirwan said in Premiership Semi-Final: Auckland v Waikato:
And Rayasi is playing like an All Black.
What giving away stupid penalties and not giving a full effort cod they think they're going to win by 20?
No, the awesome defensive work and beating people for fun parts.
That Aussie rules style take was sweet to watch.
