Blues v Highlanders
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@kiwiwomble said in Blues v Highlanders:
@kirwan i was with you until the last line, thats just not true, as @Crucial said, you can throw it over your head and it wont go forward...and there is every angle between that and lateral/90 degrees, its not a case of a single degree off directly behind you and if will fly forward
@winger is right though, it would be a big change, maybe too big, too much to ask for player to run so much deeper
I think he said it can. ??
Player running forward at 5m/s, throws it back over his head at 3m/s, ball travels forwards at 2m/s.
I think you said you were a surveyor? You dig vectors then.
@booboo said in Blues v Highlanders:
@kiwiwomble said in Blues v Highlanders:
@kirwan i was with you until the last line, thats just not true, as @Crucial said, you can throw it over your head and it wont go forward...and there is every angle between that and lateral/90 degrees, its not a case of a single degree off directly behind you and if will fly forward
@winger is right though, it would be a big change, maybe too big, too much to ask for player to run so much deeper
I think he said it can. ??
Player running forward at 5m/s, throws it back over his head at 3m/s, ball travels forwards at 2m/s.
I think you said you were a surveyor? You dig vectors then.
i said he said it can didn;t i?
i am and i do, i was always taught the rue the ball will always beat the man, as in you pass faster than you can run so if im running at at 5m/s i would expect to be able to throw it faster than that
I think we all just agreed to move on without actually saying
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@kiwiwomble said in Blues v Highlanders:
personally i think id rather that was the case then continued arguing over "cleary forward out of the hand" or "clearly backwards out of the hand"...when in reality neither is clear, and the refs having to make subjective decisions which is going to put people off watching
mate, if you think that'll take out the controversy you're completely wrong. All it will do is shift to a TMO trying to figure out if a parallax skewed pass travelled forward over the ground. It'll be a disaster.
also, you'll have the deepest backlines you've ever seen. Flat support will be gone, it'll be all so deep it's not funny. Defenses will love it - and the last thing we need in modern rugby is more defensive advantages.
Edit: the concept that you can give the ball to a player behind you is spot on, and should be maintained.
@winger - have a look at where Akira is when Rieko catches the ball. The ball has gone backwards a long way relative to him, unless he turned on the gas after throwing it
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@mariner4life said in Blues v Highlanders:
2 games in NZ this weekend. Both threads finish with approximately a hundred posts about the refereeing. And nothing else. Nah, rugby doesn't have a problem.
2 games with decisions against the Chiefs and the Blues and approx. 100 + posts on the fern. And you're surprised? Does rugby have a problem or does the fern have a problem? Or do certain teams' fans have a serious problem?:beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:
Clear and obvious backwards pass. Clear mistake from officials. Why is there any discussion? Move on.
@old-samurai-jack said in Blues v Highlanders:
@mariner4life said in Blues v Highlanders:
2 games in NZ this weekend. Both threads finish with approximately a hundred posts about the refereeing. And nothing else. Nah, rugby doesn't have a problem.
2 games with decisions against the Chiefs and the Blues and approx. 100 + posts on the fern. And you're surprised? Does rugby have a problem or does the fern have a problem? Or do certain teams' fans have a serious problem?:beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:
Clear and obvious backwards pass. Clear mistake from officials. Why is there any discussion? Move on.
Because there's some people disagreeing that is was clear and obvious and a mistake from officials. You're directing your scorn at the wrong posters.
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@mariner4life said in Blues v Highlanders:
2 games in NZ this weekend. Both threads finish with approximately a hundred posts about the refereeing. And nothing else. Nah, rugby doesn't have a problem.
2 games with decisions against the Chiefs and the Blues and approx. 100 + posts on the fern. And you're surprised? Does rugby have a problem or does the fern have a problem? Or do certain teams' fans have a serious problem?:beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:
Clear and obvious backwards pass. Clear mistake from officials. Why is there any discussion? Move on.
@old-samurai-jack said in Blues v Highlanders:
@mariner4life said in Blues v Highlanders:
2 games in NZ this weekend. Both threads finish with approximately a hundred posts about the refereeing. And nothing else. Nah, rugby doesn't have a problem.
2 games with decisions against the Chiefs and the Blues and approx. 100 + posts on the fern. And you're surprised? Does rugby have a problem or does the fern have a problem? Or do certain teams' fans have a serious problem?:beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:
You obviously don't know nothing! There is a very clear line that Blues and Chiefs fans just do not cross when it comes to hysterics. Unlike other sets of fans...
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@old-samurai-jack said in Blues v Highlanders:
@mariner4life said in Blues v Highlanders:
2 games in NZ this weekend. Both threads finish with approximately a hundred posts about the refereeing. And nothing else. Nah, rugby doesn't have a problem.
2 games with decisions against the Chiefs and the Blues and approx. 100 + posts on the fern. And you're surprised? Does rugby have a problem or does the fern have a problem? Or do certain teams' fans have a serious problem?:beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:
You obviously don't know nothing! There is a very clear line that Blues and Chiefs fans just do not cross when it comes to hysterics. Unlike other sets of fans...
@crazy-horse said in Blues v Highlanders:
@old-samurai-jack said in Blues v Highlanders:
@mariner4life said in Blues v Highlanders:
2 games in NZ this weekend. Both threads finish with approximately a hundred posts about the refereeing. And nothing else. Nah, rugby doesn't have a problem.
2 games with decisions against the Chiefs and the Blues and approx. 100 + posts on the fern. And you're surprised? Does rugby have a problem or does the fern have a problem? Or do certain teams' fans have a serious problem?:beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:
You obviously don't know nothing! There is a very clear line that Blues and Chiefs fans just do not cross when it comes to hysterics. Unlike other sets of fans...
All sets of fans have their moments.
Would like to point out the Blues fans (and a healthy group of "others") are complaining about a decision in a thrashing won by the Blues.
It's not just sour grapes, it's fair point of discussion. Would hate for any of these games to be decided on a howler like that.
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@crazy-horse said in Blues v Highlanders:
@old-samurai-jack said in Blues v Highlanders:
@mariner4life said in Blues v Highlanders:
2 games in NZ this weekend. Both threads finish with approximately a hundred posts about the refereeing. And nothing else. Nah, rugby doesn't have a problem.
2 games with decisions against the Chiefs and the Blues and approx. 100 + posts on the fern. And you're surprised? Does rugby have a problem or does the fern have a problem? Or do certain teams' fans have a serious problem?:beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:
You obviously don't know nothing! There is a very clear line that Blues and Chiefs fans just do not cross when it comes to hysterics. Unlike other sets of fans...
All sets of fans have their moments.
Would like to point out the Blues fans (and a healthy group of "others") are complaining about a decision in a thrashing won by the Blues.
It's not just sour grapes, it's fair point of discussion. Would hate for any of these games to be decided on a howler like that.
@kirwan said in Blues v Highlanders:
@crazy-horse said in Blues v Highlanders:
@old-samurai-jack said in Blues v Highlanders:
@mariner4life said in Blues v Highlanders:
2 games in NZ this weekend. Both threads finish with approximately a hundred posts about the refereeing. And nothing else. Nah, rugby doesn't have a problem.
2 games with decisions against the Chiefs and the Blues and approx. 100 + posts on the fern. And you're surprised? Does rugby have a problem or does the fern have a problem? Or do certain teams' fans have a serious problem?:beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:
You obviously don't know nothing! There is a very clear line that Blues and Chiefs fans just do not cross when it comes to hysterics. Unlike other sets of fans...
All sets of fans have their moments.
Would like to point out the Blues fans (and a healthy group of "others") are complaining about a decision in a thrashing won by the Blues.
It's not just sour grapes, it's fair point of discussion. Would hate for any of these games to be decided on a howler like that.
You are very noble
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Allow me to whinge about refereeing decisions given against the winning team.
Apparently that never happens.
And I know it's been said, but the Akira forward pass and the Sotutu vicious back charge really were crap. I get how @mariner4life Is losing his shit with rugby after crap like that.
Akira: went back out of his hands, and he was always in front of the ball indicating the ball travelled backwards relative to the player. How come us ignorant slobs on an internet forum know these rulings and the highly paid officials fucking don't?
I can see how they came up with the Sotutu ruling, I just disagree with it (ie., they got it wrong) and assert it was 100% unnecessary to even look at it.
Why have a TMO if they can't get simple decisions right?
There's whinging about whinging on the Saders v Chiefs thread about time taken to review. These were two examples where inordinate amounts of time were taken to review and get the wrong decision.
@booboo said in Blues v Highlanders:
I can see how they came up with the Sotutu ruling, I just disagree with it (ie., they got it wrong) and assert it was 100% unnecessary to even look at it.
Yeah, I didn't have a problem with this decision based on the evidence from the TV replay. Sotutu ended up being in a position where he couldn't catch the ball so became a blocker to Frizell. The collision was likely clumsy and unintentional but did have a material effect on what happened. Robinson actually came off worse in that incident.
The forward pass was a shocker though.
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@booboo said in Blues v Highlanders:
I can see how they came up with the Sotutu ruling, I just disagree with it (ie., they got it wrong) and assert it was 100% unnecessary to even look at it.
Yeah, I didn't have a problem with this decision based on the evidence from the TV replay. Sotutu ended up being in a position where he couldn't catch the ball so became a blocker to Frizell. The collision was likely clumsy and unintentional but did have a material effect on what happened. Robinson actually came off worse in that incident.
The forward pass was a shocker though.
@bovidae i think im the same, under the rules i can understand what it was given
as ive said before, i just dont like straight up accidents having such an effect, but the rules are the rules etc
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The try looks better every time I see it. Running it from your own line after a great turnover, Akira makes a great run and shows pretty spectacular vision and passing skills, and Reiko sprinting to get into position and then burning off the defenders.
O for Awesome.
@kirwan said in Blues v Highlanders:
The try looks better every time I see it. Running it from your own line after a great turnover, Akira makes a great run and shows pretty spectacular vision and passing skills, and Reiko sprinting to get into position and then burning off the defenders.
O for Awesome.
Plus Akira showed great acceleration for a big man..
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@booboo said in Blues v Highlanders:
@kiwiwomble said in Blues v Highlanders:
@kirwan i was with you until the last line, thats just not true, as @Crucial said, you can throw it over your head and it wont go forward...and there is every angle between that and lateral/90 degrees, its not a case of a single degree off directly behind you and if will fly forward
@winger is right though, it would be a big change, maybe too big, too much to ask for player to run so much deeper
I think he said it can. ??
Player running forward at 5m/s, throws it back over his head at 3m/s, ball travels forwards at 2m/s.
I think you said you were a surveyor? You dig vectors then.
i said he said it can didn;t i?
i am and i do, i was always taught the rue the ball will always beat the man, as in you pass faster than you can run so if im running at at 5m/s i would expect to be able to throw it faster than that
I think we all just agreed to move on without actually saying
@kiwiwomble said in Blues v Highlanders:
@booboo said in Blues v Highlanders:
@kiwiwomble said in Blues v Highlanders:
@kirwan i was with you until the last line, thats just not true, as @Crucial said, you can throw it over your head and it wont go forward...and there is every angle between that and lateral/90 degrees, its not a case of a single degree off directly behind you and if will fly forward
@winger is right though, it would be a big change, maybe too big, too much to ask for player to run so much deeper
I think he said it can. ??
Player running forward at 5m/s, throws it back over his head at 3m/s, ball travels forwards at 2m/s.
I think you said you were a surveyor? You dig vectors then.
i said he said it can didn;t i?
i am and i do, i was always taught the rue the ball will always beat the man, as in you pass faster than you can run so if im running at at 5m/s i would expect to be able to throw it faster than that
I think we all just agreed to move on without actually saying
You may indeed rue that-I am not sure I can pass faster than Rieko can run..
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@kirwan said in Blues v Highlanders:
The try looks better every time I see it. Running it from your own line after a great turnover, Akira makes a great run and shows pretty spectacular vision and passing skills, and Reiko sprinting to get into position and then burning off the defenders.
O for Awesome.
Plus Akira showed great acceleration for a big man..
@nostrildamus said in Blues v Highlanders:
@kirwan said in Blues v Highlanders:
The try looks better every time I see it. Running it from your own line after a great turnover, Akira makes a great run and shows pretty spectacular vision and passing skills, and Reiko sprinting to get into position and then burning off the defenders.
O for Awesome.
Plus Akira showed great acceleration for a big man..
Yep, was pulling away from Josh Ioane. Impressive.
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@nostrildamus said in Blues v Highlanders:
@kirwan said in Blues v Highlanders:
The try looks better every time I see it. Running it from your own line after a great turnover, Akira makes a great run and shows pretty spectacular vision and passing skills, and Reiko sprinting to get into position and then burning off the defenders.
O for Awesome.
Plus Akira showed great acceleration for a big man..
Yep, was pulling away from Josh Ioane. Impressive.
@kirwan said in Blues v Highlanders:
@nostrildamus said in Blues v Highlanders:
@kirwan said in Blues v Highlanders:
The try looks better every time I see it. Running it from your own line after a great turnover, Akira makes a great run and shows pretty spectacular vision and passing skills, and Reiko sprinting to get into position and then burning off the defenders.
O for Awesome.
Plus Akira showed great acceleration for a big man..
Yep, was pulling away from Josh Ioane. Impressive.
Hasn't Josh Ioane gone backwards form wise!
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@kirwan said in Blues v Highlanders:
@nostrildamus said in Blues v Highlanders:
@kirwan said in Blues v Highlanders:
The try looks better every time I see it. Running it from your own line after a great turnover, Akira makes a great run and shows pretty spectacular vision and passing skills, and Reiko sprinting to get into position and then burning off the defenders.
O for Awesome.
Plus Akira showed great acceleration for a big man..
Yep, was pulling away from Josh Ioane. Impressive.
Hasn't Josh Ioane gone backwards form wise!
@crazy-horse said in Blues v Highlanders:
@kirwan said in Blues v Highlanders:
@nostrildamus said in Blues v Highlanders:
@kirwan said in Blues v Highlanders:
The try looks better every time I see it. Running it from your own line after a great turnover, Akira makes a great run and shows pretty spectacular vision and passing skills, and Reiko sprinting to get into position and then burning off the defenders.
O for Awesome.
Plus Akira showed great acceleration for a big man..
Yep, was pulling away from Josh Ioane. Impressive.
Hasn't Josh Ioane gone backwards form wise!
Very disappointing, he was clear third flyhalf last year. I think Black has leapfrogged him now, been very happy with what I've seen from him.
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A subtle dig at the refs! must watch -
https://twitter.com/i/status/1371215666737389568 -
A subtle dig at the refs! must watch -
https://twitter.com/i/status/1371215666737389568@daffy-jaffy said in Blues v Highlanders:
A subtle dig at the refs! must watch -
https://twitter.com/i/status/1371215666737389568@kirwan said in Blues v Highlanders:
https://twitter.com/BluesRugbyTeam/status/1371215666737389568
#booboo
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@booboo said in Blues v Highlanders:
@kiwiwomble said in Blues v Highlanders:
@kirwan i was with you until the last line, thats just not true, as @Crucial said, you can throw it over your head and it wont go forward...and there is every angle between that and lateral/90 degrees, its not a case of a single degree off directly behind you and if will fly forward
@winger is right though, it would be a big change, maybe too big, too much to ask for player to run so much deeper
I think he said it can. ??
Player running forward at 5m/s, throws it back over his head at 3m/s, ball travels forwards at 2m/s.
I think you said you were a surveyor? You dig vectors then.
i said he said it can didn;t i?
i am and i do, i was always taught the rue the ball will always beat the man, as in you pass faster than you can run so if im running at at 5m/s i would expect to be able to throw it faster than that
I think we all just agreed to move on without actually saying
@kiwiwomble said in Blues v Highlanders:
@booboo said in Blues v Highlanders:
@kiwiwomble said in Blues v Highlanders:
@kirwan i was with you until the last line, thats just not true, as @Crucial said, you can throw it over your head and it wont go forward...and there is every angle between that and lateral/90 degrees, its not a case of a single degree off directly behind you and if will fly forward
@winger is right though, it would be a big change, maybe too big, too much to ask for player to run so much deeper
I think he said it can. ??
Player running forward at 5m/s, throws it back over his head at 3m/s, ball travels forwards at 2m/s.
I think you said you were a surveyor? You dig vectors then.
i said he said it can didn;t i?
i am and i do, i was always taught the rue the ball will always beat the man, as in you pass faster than you can run so if im running at at 5m/s i would expect to be able to throw it faster than that
I think we all just agreed to move on without actually saying
Sorry Womble. Think I misread your post.
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@daffy-jaffy said in Blues v Highlanders:
A subtle dig at the refs! must watch -
https://twitter.com/i/status/1371215666737389568@kirwan said in Blues v Highlanders:
https://twitter.com/BluesRugbyTeam/status/1371215666737389568
#booboo
@machpants said in Blues v Highlanders:
@daffy-jaffy said in Blues v Highlanders:
A subtle dig at the refs! must watch -
@kirwan said in Blues v Highlanders:
#booboo
Is this like calling my name and I'll randomly post immediately after?
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Given the obvious increase in social media "engagement " by fans after these ( pretty regular) refereeing issues, I wonder if strong incentives to fix these issues actually exists.
Every year there are untold viable suggestions to improve the processes that lead to howler or confusing decisions. An entire half of the last world cup was played with different interpretations and then never used again.
In short, I hate to question the purity of professional rugby, but having inconsistent and confusing law interpretations sure does ramp up the clicks. Modern day currency for the business side of the sport.
Not suggesting they purposefully stuff things up, but I do wonder if the marketing department is more important than the refereeing department.
Maybe the administrators don't prioritise fixing the reffing as much as we do
Or is everyone just goofing off at rules meetings?
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So Bryce Lawrence has admitted mistakes but in a very strange statement that didn’t admit mistakes. Can’t find the quote to get wording right but apparently they will own it and get better.
Oh. No apology to teams or fans either. They really can be their own worst enemy at times.
