Crusaders v Highlanders (2 April 2021)
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IMO you could argue that Gregory slowed Jordans impact into CGB, certainly dont see anythign to indicate he made the situation any worse.
Jordan was never going to get to the ball first, so IMO he got it all wrong, and if not for the brush with Gregory he likely have hit CGB slightly harder and earlier, when Jordan has pushed past Gregory and 'leapt' toward CGB he already had posession, he had plenty of time to pull out of that.
Sure what Gregory did was silly a deserved a penalty, but either way, the wrong call was made in the end.
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IMO you could argue that Gregory slowed Jordans impact into CGB, certainly dont see anythign to indicate he made the situation any worse.
Jordan was never going to get to the ball first, so IMO he got it all wrong, and if not for the brush with Gregory he likely have hit CGB slightly harder and earlier, when Jordan has pushed past Gregory and 'leapt' toward CGB he already had posession, he had plenty of time to pull out of that.
Sure what Gregory did was silly a deserved a penalty, but either way, the wrong call was made in the end.
@taniwharugby couldn't agree more. The crime was sticking the arm out - if Will doesn't do that, then it's a penalty against Gregory.
Terrible call by the referees
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@nzzp said in Crusaders v Highlanders (2 April 2021):
@crucial smart rugby like the all blacks play
I don’t think we often play it that way to such a planned and deliberate tactic. Sure, it happens. I’m not claiming that it doesn’t. That doesn’t take away the fact that it’s negative play, deliberate infringing and refs should cotton on to it.
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@nzzp said in Crusaders v Highlanders (2 April 2021):
@crucial smart rugby like the all blacks play
I don’t think we often play it that way to such a planned and deliberate tactic. Sure, it happens. I’m not claiming that it doesn’t. That doesn’t take away the fact that it’s negative play, deliberate infringing and refs should cotton on to it.
@crucial other sides would disagree.
I don't think it's a core of our game, but smart rugby teams know when and how to infringe to slow things down.
Rugby is cheating better than your opponents. It's just how the game is played. I don't love it, but that's what it is
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@crucial other sides would disagree.
I don't think it's a core of our game, but smart rugby teams know when and how to infringe to slow things down.
Rugby is cheating better than your opponents. It's just how the game is played. I don't love it, but that's what it is
@nzzp said in Crusaders v Highlanders (2 April 2021):
Rugby is cheating better than your opponents
I'd say it is playing the ref better than your opposition rather than cheating.
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@nzzp said in Crusaders v Highlanders (2 April 2021):
Rugby is cheating better than your opponents
I'd say it is playing the ref better than your opposition rather than cheating.
@taniwharugby said in Crusaders v Highlanders (2 April 2021):
@nzzp said in Crusaders v Highlanders (2 April 2021):
Rugby is cheating better than your opponents
I'd say it is playing the ref better than your opposition rather than cheating.
Eh, potato potato. It's finding where the line is and living on it. You find it by crossing it... You're absolutely right, but it's semantics
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IMO you could argue that Gregory slowed Jordans impact into CGB, certainly dont see anythign to indicate he made the situation any worse.
Jordan was never going to get to the ball first, so IMO he got it all wrong, and if not for the brush with Gregory he likely have hit CGB slightly harder and earlier, when Jordan has pushed past Gregory and 'leapt' toward CGB he already had posession, he had plenty of time to pull out of that.
Sure what Gregory did was silly a deserved a penalty, but either way, the wrong call was made in the end.
@taniwharugby I looked at it frame by frame and exactly where the ball was as well has the players. Gregory had a huge impact on what happened. It was a significant obstruction, not just an accidental "brush" as you call it. Gregory used his arm to stop Jordan until a split second before the collission. IMO you could argue that without the obstruction, Jordan could have arrived in time to be under the ball and it would have been CGB jumping into him. Jordan stuck his arms out to catch the ball and had his eyes on the ball when he did. Could he have pulled out? Maybe, but it all happened very fast, and he was busy getting rid of Gregory until shortly before the collision, so it's hard to tell. I don't think it's as clear-cut as people make it out to be.
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@taniwharugby said in Crusaders v Highlanders (2 April 2021):
@nzzp said in Crusaders v Highlanders (2 April 2021):
Rugby is cheating better than your opponents
I'd say it is playing the ref better than your opposition rather than cheating.
Eh, potato potato. It's finding where the line is and living on it. You find it by crossing it... You're absolutely right, but it's semantics
@nzzp said in Crusaders v Highlanders (2 April 2021):
It's finding where the line is and living on it. You find it by crossing it...
You'd think the Wallabies would be better then (Aussies are the arbiter of "the line" I have been lead to believe).
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@taniwharugby I looked at it frame by frame and exactly where the ball was as well has the players. Gregory had a huge impact on what happened. It was a significant obstruction, not just an accidental "brush" as you call it. Gregory used his arm to stop Jordan until a split second before the collission. IMO you could argue that without the obstruction, Jordan could have arrived in time to be under the ball and it would have been CGB jumping into him. Jordan stuck his arms out to catch the ball and had his eyes on the ball when he did. Could he have pulled out? Maybe, but it all happened very fast, and he was busy getting rid of Gregory until shortly before the collision, so it's hard to tell. I don't think it's as clear-cut as people make it out to be.
@stargazer i also watched it very closely, CGB has the ball just as Jordan brushed past Gregory, so IMO he most certainly could have pulled out.
So we can do what some do, agree to disagree.
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Posters still talking about this game, that’s sooo last week...
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Couple of things I’ve not seen mentioned.
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Highlander runners seemed for at least first 60 to back off/slow a tad/change line at last moment going into contact. Result was a bit like when a scrum fakes at hit. Oppo overbalanced and contact ineffective. Whatever it was it really threw Saders momentum at breakdown.
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Clan seemed to target running one out and then angling back in behind ruck. Seemed that analysis may have identified space there, and good yards made.
Seemed also to result in Saders not getting the rub of the red and black, as per usual.
If I were Super coaches I’d be pouring over tape!
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Couple of things I’ve not seen mentioned.
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Highlander runners seemed for at least first 60 to back off/slow a tad/change line at last moment going into contact. Result was a bit like when a scrum fakes at hit. Oppo overbalanced and contact ineffective. Whatever it was it really threw Saders momentum at breakdown.
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Clan seemed to target running one out and then angling back in behind ruck. Seemed that analysis may have identified space there, and good yards made.
Seemed also to result in Saders not getting the rub of the red and black, as per usual.
If I were Super coaches I’d be pouring over tape!
@pakman said in Crusaders v Highlanders (2 April 2021):
Couple of things I’ve not seen mentioned.
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Highlander runners seemed for at least first 60 to back off/slow a tad/change line at last moment going into contact. Result was a bit like when a scrum fakes at hit. Oppo overbalanced and contact ineffective. Whatever it was it really threw Saders momentum at breakdown.
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Clan seemed to target running one out and then angling back in behind ruck. Seemed that analysis may have identified space there, and good yards made.
Seemed also to result in Saders not getting the rub of the red and black, as per usual.
If I were Super coaches I’d be pouring over tape!
I am sure the Crusaders will also be pouring over tape to identify things.
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Couple of things I’ve not seen mentioned.
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Highlander runners seemed for at least first 60 to back off/slow a tad/change line at last moment going into contact. Result was a bit like when a scrum fakes at hit. Oppo overbalanced and contact ineffective. Whatever it was it really threw Saders momentum at breakdown.
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Clan seemed to target running one out and then angling back in behind ruck. Seemed that analysis may have identified space there, and good yards made.
Seemed also to result in Saders not getting the rub of the red and black, as per usual.
If I were Super coaches I’d be pouring over tape!
@pakman said in Crusaders v Highlanders (2 April 2021):
Couple of things I’ve not seen mentioned.
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Highlander runners seemed for at least first 60 to back off/slow a tad/change line at last moment going into contact. Result was a bit like when a scrum fakes at hit. Oppo overbalanced and contact ineffective. Whatever it was it really threw Saders momentum at breakdown.
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Clan seemed to target running one out and then angling back in behind ruck. Seemed that analysis may have identified space there, and good yards made.
Seemed also to result in Saders not getting the rub of the red and black, as per usual.
If I were Super coaches I’d be pouring over tape!
A bit of actual rugby analysis rather than endless moaning about the refereeing. Awesome stuff!!
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@pakman said in Crusaders v Highlanders (2 April 2021):
Couple of things I’ve not seen mentioned.
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Highlander runners seemed for at least first 60 to back off/slow a tad/change line at last moment going into contact. Result was a bit like when a scrum fakes at hit. Oppo overbalanced and contact ineffective. Whatever it was it really threw Saders momentum at breakdown.
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Clan seemed to target running one out and then angling back in behind ruck. Seemed that analysis may have identified space there, and good yards made.
Seemed also to result in Saders not getting the rub of the red and black, as per usual.
If I were Super coaches I’d be pouring over tape!
A bit of actual rugby analysis rather than endless moaning about the refereeing. Awesome stuff!!
@frank said in Crusaders v Highlanders (2 April 2021):
@pakman said in Crusaders v Highlanders (2 April 2021):
Couple of things I’ve not seen mentioned.
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Highlander runners seemed for at least first 60 to back off/slow a tad/change line at last moment going into contact. Result was a bit like when a scrum fakes at hit. Oppo overbalanced and contact ineffective. Whatever it was it really threw Saders momentum at breakdown.
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Clan seemed to target running one out and then angling back in behind ruck. Seemed that analysis may have identified space there, and good yards made.
Seemed also to result in Saders not getting the rub of the red and black, as per usual.
If I were Super coaches I’d be pouring over tape!
A bit of actual rugby analysis rather than endless moaning about the refereeing. Awesome stuff!!
Apologies for any inconvenience caused.
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@frank said in Crusaders v Highlanders (2 April 2021):
@pakman said in Crusaders v Highlanders (2 April 2021):
Couple of things I’ve not seen mentioned.
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Highlander runners seemed for at least first 60 to back off/slow a tad/change line at last moment going into contact. Result was a bit like when a scrum fakes at hit. Oppo overbalanced and contact ineffective. Whatever it was it really threw Saders momentum at breakdown.
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Clan seemed to target running one out and then angling back in behind ruck. Seemed that analysis may have identified space there, and good yards made.
Seemed also to result in Saders not getting the rub of the red and black, as per usual.
If I were Super coaches I’d be pouring over tape!
A bit of actual rugby analysis rather than endless moaning about the refereeing. Awesome stuff!!
Apologies for any inconvenience caused.
@pakman said in Crusaders v Highlanders (2 April 2021):
@frank said in Crusaders v Highlanders (2 April 2021):
@pakman said in Crusaders v Highlanders (2 April 2021):
Couple of things I’ve not seen mentioned.
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Highlander runners seemed for at least first 60 to back off/slow a tad/change line at last moment going into contact. Result was a bit like when a scrum fakes at hit. Oppo overbalanced and contact ineffective. Whatever it was it really threw Saders momentum at breakdown.
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Clan seemed to target running one out and then angling back in behind ruck. Seemed that analysis may have identified space there, and good yards made.
Seemed also to result in Saders not getting the rub of the red and black, as per usual.
If I were Super coaches I’d be pouring over tape!
A bit of actual rugby analysis rather than endless moaning about the refereeing. Awesome stuff!!
Apologies for any inconvenience caused.
We don't like change.
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