Waratahs v Rebels
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And another red card. Pone Fa'amausili (Rebels) sent off for basically the same thing as Naisarani.
@stargazer said in Waratahs v Rebels:
And another red card. Pone Fa'amausili (Rebels) sent off for basically the same thing as Naisarani.
This one was worse.
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I thought the ref tmo combo was very bad this match. Worst I have seen this season. Naisarani tackle had heaps of mitigation. Pone less so and perhaps a red card. The try review seemed nonsense as there looked plenty wrong in the buildup before and during the review period. But ref was determined to give a try and tmo did not want to disagree. If Rebels had lost then no doubt a big outcry. You get the feeling that refs and tmos are told the focus on specific things some rounds and the no mitigation was the theme this time. Really do need to look at players breaking off the maul and taking out defenders in front of the ball carrier also. I. E. Before the try from the ball rolled between the legs of the player in front.
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I thought the ref tmo combo was very bad this match. Worst I have seen this season. Naisarani tackle had heaps of mitigation. Pone less so and perhaps a red card. The try review seemed nonsense as there looked plenty wrong in the buildup before and during the review period. But ref was determined to give a try and tmo did not want to disagree. If Rebels had lost then no doubt a big outcry. You get the feeling that refs and tmos are told the focus on specific things some rounds and the no mitigation was the theme this time. Really do need to look at players breaking off the maul and taking out defenders in front of the ball carrier also. I. E. Before the try from the ball rolled between the legs of the player in front.
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@arhs May have been mitigation in the Isi tackle, but he followed it up by throwing a right hook. Fuk 'im.
@derpus did Swinton throw the first one though. Look at first part of replay. They didn't seem to look closely at that. I thought Naisarani went in at mid chest and had no way of knowing the player was about to lower his head. My issue is with the quick call of no mitigation therefore red card.
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Naisarani red: red all day. Sure he got down a little lower as he was running in, but then drove upward. Ball carriers height didn't change THAT much. Careless and lazy. He's not even looking, just going for the Hulk smash from about two yards away
@nta said in Waratahs v Rebels:
Naisarani red: red all day. Sure he got down a little lower as he was running in, but then drove upward. Ball carriers height didn't change THAT much. Careless and lazy. He's not even looking, just going for the Hulk smash from about two yards away
Just watched again and tried to frame by frame. Ball carrier's height did dip after catching the ball. Legs bent more and bent from the waist. Just as anyone would do to brace for being tackled.
Tackler aimed for high chest before dip AND drove up. Bad technique that carries high risk of contact with head.
Yep, there was mitigating factors so the language used was poor in saying that there wasn't any. 'Mitigating factors not material' would be more accurate. -
First one was a great hit that also deserved a red.
2nd one was pretty filthy and was red all day.
Learn a lesson you dumb fluffybunnies, going for chest height massive hits runs a huge risk of it going wrong and a red card. Rugby players really are stupid.
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First is YC. Reverse the penalty because Swinton is a moron.
Second is RC.
LOL at the three blind mice above me.
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First one was a great hit that also deserved a red.
2nd one was pretty filthy and was red all day.
Learn a lesson you dumb fluffybunnies, going for chest height massive hits runs a huge risk of it going wrong and a red card. Rugby players really are stupid.
@mariner4life said in Waratahs v Rebels:
First one was a great hit that also deserved a red.
2nd one was pretty filthy and was red all day.
Learn a lesson you dumb fluffybunnies, going for chest height massive hits runs a huge risk of it going wrong and a red card. Rugby players really are stupid.
Yeah both red, idiots
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First one was a great hit that also deserved a red.
2nd one was pretty filthy and was red all day.
Learn a lesson you dumb fluffybunnies, going for chest height massive hits runs a huge risk of it going wrong and a red card. Rugby players really are stupid.
@mariner4life 2nd one was just dumb. There’s one at every amateur club that in a one on one cannot remove the red mist and just wants to smash em and doesn’t think about the consequences. A regulation tackle would’ve just done the job in that situation.
The first one I think it’s one of those split second ones where the ball carrier adjusts his body height just as impact occurs. Agree that it’s still a red card but if they are handing out suspensions I’d definitely give this one less than the 2nd one.
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@mariner4life 2nd one was just dumb. There’s one at every amateur club that in a one on one cannot remove the red mist and just wants to smash em and doesn’t think about the consequences. A regulation tackle would’ve just done the job in that situation.
The first one I think it’s one of those split second ones where the ball carrier adjusts his body height just as impact occurs. Agree that it’s still a red card but if they are handing out suspensions I’d definitely give this one less than the 2nd one.
@act-crusader said in Waratahs v Rebels:
The first one I think it’s one of those split second ones where the ball carrier adjusts his body height just as impact occurs. Agree that it’s still a red card
I'm amazed so many of you can think that. It's clear that Naisarini lines him up to execute a textbook dominating tackle and Douglas drops considerably within a single step - it's the difference between a tackle at or below the nipple line and one slightly above the shoulder.
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@act-crusader said in Waratahs v Rebels:
The first one I think it’s one of those split second ones where the ball carrier adjusts his body height just as impact occurs. Agree that it’s still a red card
I'm amazed so many of you can think that. It's clear that Naisarini lines him up to execute a textbook dominating tackle and Douglas drops considerably within a single step - it's the difference between a tackle at or below the nipple line and one slightly above the shoulder.
@antipodean said in Waratahs v Rebels:
@act-crusader said in Waratahs v Rebels:
The first one I think it’s one of those split second ones where the ball carrier adjusts his body height just as impact occurs. Agree that it’s still a red card
I'm amazed so many of you can think that. It's clear that Naisarini lines him up to execute a textbook dominating tackle and Douglas drops considerably within a single step - it's the difference between a tackle at or below the nipple line and one slightly above the shoulder.
Two different conversations
Under the current regime you aim there you are putting everything in the hands of the refs because of the rulings
Is that how I understand rugby works? No. But my time has passed. Don't want to get sent off? Aim a lot lower and don't aim up
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@antipodean said in Waratahs v Rebels:
@act-crusader said in Waratahs v Rebels:
The first one I think it’s one of those split second ones where the ball carrier adjusts his body height just as impact occurs. Agree that it’s still a red card
I'm amazed so many of you can think that. It's clear that Naisarini lines him up to execute a textbook dominating tackle and Douglas drops considerably within a single step - it's the difference between a tackle at or below the nipple line and one slightly above the shoulder.
Two different conversations
Under the current regime you aim there you are putting everything in the hands of the refs because of the rulings
Is that how I understand rugby works? No. But my time has passed. Don't want to get sent off? Aim a lot lower and don't aim up
@mariner4life said in Waratahs v Rebels:
@antipodean said in Waratahs v Rebels:
@act-crusader said in Waratahs v Rebels:
The first one I think it’s one of those split second ones where the ball carrier adjusts his body height just as impact occurs. Agree that it’s still a red card
I'm amazed so many of you can think that. It's clear that Naisarini lines him up to execute a textbook dominating tackle and Douglas drops considerably within a single step - it's the difference between a tackle at or below the nipple line and one slightly above the shoulder.
Two different conversations
Under the current regime you aim there you are putting everything in the hands of the refs because of the rulings
Is that how I understand rugby works? No. But my time has passed. Don't want to get sent off? Aim a lot lower and don't aim up
Which goes to the mitigation @ARHS was pointing out. Naisarani shouldn't be sent from the field permanently because in the space of half a step a player drops to the ground. If that's the way the game is going, and it's hard to tell if refs are deliberately doing this or it's just more incompetence, the game is ruined.
To my mind this is what happens when you ask people to adjudicate who have no experience playing to get a feel for the game.
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@mariner4life said in Waratahs v Rebels:
@antipodean said in Waratahs v Rebels:
@act-crusader said in Waratahs v Rebels:
The first one I think it’s one of those split second ones where the ball carrier adjusts his body height just as impact occurs. Agree that it’s still a red card
I'm amazed so many of you can think that. It's clear that Naisarini lines him up to execute a textbook dominating tackle and Douglas drops considerably within a single step - it's the difference between a tackle at or below the nipple line and one slightly above the shoulder.
Two different conversations
Under the current regime you aim there you are putting everything in the hands of the refs because of the rulings
Is that how I understand rugby works? No. But my time has passed. Don't want to get sent off? Aim a lot lower and don't aim up
Which goes to the mitigation @ARHS was pointing out. Naisarani shouldn't be sent from the field permanently because in the space of half a step a player drops to the ground. If that's the way the game is going, and it's hard to tell if refs are deliberately doing this or it's just more incompetence, the game is ruined.
To my mind this is what happens when you ask people to adjudicate who have no experience playing to get a feel for the game.
@antipodean said in Waratahs v Rebels:
@mariner4life said in Waratahs v Rebels:
@antipodean said in Waratahs v Rebels:
@act-crusader said in Waratahs v Rebels:
The first one I think it’s one of those split second ones where the ball carrier adjusts his body height just as impact occurs. Agree that it’s still a red card
I'm amazed so many of you can think that. It's clear that Naisarini lines him up to execute a textbook dominating tackle and Douglas drops considerably within a single step - it's the difference between a tackle at or below the nipple line and one slightly above the shoulder.
Two different conversations
Under the current regime you aim there you are putting everything in the hands of the refs because of the rulings
Is that how I understand rugby works? No. But my time has passed. Don't want to get sent off? Aim a lot lower and don't aim up
Which goes to the mitigation @ARHS was pointing out. Naisarani shouldn't be sent from the field permanently because in the space of half a step a player drops to the ground. If that's the way the game is going, and it's hard to tell if refs are deliberately doing this or it's just more incompetence, the game is ruined.
To my mind this is what happens when you ask people to adjudicate who have no experience playing to get a feel for the game.
I don't disagree, but, I am not in charge of a game in a different era
We played in a time where this was a playing incident
Apparently there is no such thing any more
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@antipodean said in Waratahs v Rebels:
@mariner4life said in Waratahs v Rebels:
@antipodean said in Waratahs v Rebels:
@act-crusader said in Waratahs v Rebels:
The first one I think it’s one of those split second ones where the ball carrier adjusts his body height just as impact occurs. Agree that it’s still a red card
I'm amazed so many of you can think that. It's clear that Naisarini lines him up to execute a textbook dominating tackle and Douglas drops considerably within a single step - it's the difference between a tackle at or below the nipple line and one slightly above the shoulder.
Two different conversations
Under the current regime you aim there you are putting everything in the hands of the refs because of the rulings
Is that how I understand rugby works? No. But my time has passed. Don't want to get sent off? Aim a lot lower and don't aim up
Which goes to the mitigation @ARHS was pointing out. Naisarani shouldn't be sent from the field permanently because in the space of half a step a player drops to the ground. If that's the way the game is going, and it's hard to tell if refs are deliberately doing this or it's just more incompetence, the game is ruined.
To my mind this is what happens when you ask people to adjudicate who have no experience playing to get a feel for the game.
I don't disagree, but, I am not in charge of a game in a different era
We played in a time where this was a playing incident
Apparently there is no such thing any more
@mariner4life said in Waratahs v Rebels:
@antipodean said in Waratahs v Rebels:
@mariner4life said in Waratahs v Rebels:
@antipodean said in Waratahs v Rebels:
@act-crusader said in Waratahs v Rebels:
The first one I think it’s one of those split second ones where the ball carrier adjusts his body height just as impact occurs. Agree that it’s still a red card
I'm amazed so many of you can think that. It's clear that Naisarini lines him up to execute a textbook dominating tackle and Douglas drops considerably within a single step - it's the difference between a tackle at or below the nipple line and one slightly above the shoulder.
Two different conversations
Under the current regime you aim there you are putting everything in the hands of the refs because of the rulings
Is that how I understand rugby works? No. But my time has passed. Don't want to get sent off? Aim a lot lower and don't aim up
Which goes to the mitigation @ARHS was pointing out. Naisarani shouldn't be sent from the field permanently because in the space of half a step a player drops to the ground. If that's the way the game is going, and it's hard to tell if refs are deliberately doing this or it's just more incompetence, the game is ruined.
To my mind this is what happens when you ask people to adjudicate who have no experience playing to get a feel for the game.
I don't disagree, but, I am not in charge of a game in a different era
We played in a time where this was a playing incident
Apparently there is no such thing any more
Well I'm going to rage against the dying light.
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@mariner4life said in Waratahs v Rebels:
@antipodean said in Waratahs v Rebels:
@act-crusader said in Waratahs v Rebels:
The first one I think it’s one of those split second ones where the ball carrier adjusts his body height just as impact occurs. Agree that it’s still a red card
I'm amazed so many of you can think that. It's clear that Naisarini lines him up to execute a textbook dominating tackle and Douglas drops considerably within a single step - it's the difference between a tackle at or below the nipple line and one slightly above the shoulder.
Two different conversations
Under the current regime you aim there you are putting everything in the hands of the refs because of the rulings
Is that how I understand rugby works? No. But my time has passed. Don't want to get sent off? Aim a lot lower and don't aim up
Which goes to the mitigation @ARHS was pointing out. Naisarani shouldn't be sent from the field permanently because in the space of half a step a player drops to the ground. If that's the way the game is going, and it's hard to tell if refs are deliberately doing this or it's just more incompetence, the game is ruined.
To my mind this is what happens when you ask people to adjudicate who have no experience playing to get a feel for the game.
@antipodean said in Waratahs v Rebels:
@mariner4life said in Waratahs v Rebels:
@antipodean said in Waratahs v Rebels:
@act-crusader said in Waratahs v Rebels:
The first one I think it’s one of those split second ones where the ball carrier adjusts his body height just as impact occurs. Agree that it’s still a red card
I'm amazed so many of you can think that. It's clear that Naisarini lines him up to execute a textbook dominating tackle and Douglas drops considerably within a single step - it's the difference between a tackle at or below the nipple line and one slightly above the shoulder.
Two different conversations
Under the current regime you aim there you are putting everything in the hands of the refs because of the rulings
Is that how I understand rugby works? No. But my time has passed. Don't want to get sent off? Aim a lot lower and don't aim up
Which goes to the mitigation @ARHS was pointing out. Naisarani shouldn't be sent from the field permanently because in the space of half a step a player drops to the ground. If that's the way the game is going, and it's hard to tell if refs are deliberately doing this or it's just more incompetence, the game is ruined.
To my mind this is what happens when you ask people to adjudicate who have no experience playing to get a feel for the game.
It was careless. Aimed at nipple line, took his eyes off the situation then drove up.
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@antipodean said in Waratahs v Rebels:
@mariner4life said in Waratahs v Rebels:
@antipodean said in Waratahs v Rebels:
@act-crusader said in Waratahs v Rebels:
The first one I think it’s one of those split second ones where the ball carrier adjusts his body height just as impact occurs. Agree that it’s still a red card
I'm amazed so many of you can think that. It's clear that Naisarini lines him up to execute a textbook dominating tackle and Douglas drops considerably within a single step - it's the difference between a tackle at or below the nipple line and one slightly above the shoulder.
Two different conversations
Under the current regime you aim there you are putting everything in the hands of the refs because of the rulings
Is that how I understand rugby works? No. But my time has passed. Don't want to get sent off? Aim a lot lower and don't aim up
Which goes to the mitigation @ARHS was pointing out. Naisarani shouldn't be sent from the field permanently because in the space of half a step a player drops to the ground. If that's the way the game is going, and it's hard to tell if refs are deliberately doing this or it's just more incompetence, the game is ruined.
To my mind this is what happens when you ask people to adjudicate who have no experience playing to get a feel for the game.
It was careless. Aimed at nipple line, took his eyes off the situation then drove up.
Players simply need to adjust techniques because taking those risks means Red when it goes wrong.@crucial said in Waratahs v Rebels:
@antipodean said in Waratahs v Rebels:
@mariner4life said in Waratahs v Rebels:
@antipodean said in Waratahs v Rebels:
@act-crusader said in Waratahs v Rebels:
The first one I think it’s one of those split second ones where the ball carrier adjusts his body height just as impact occurs. Agree that it’s still a red card
I'm amazed so many of you can think that. It's clear that Naisarini lines him up to execute a textbook dominating tackle and Douglas drops considerably within a single step - it's the difference between a tackle at or below the nipple line and one slightly above the shoulder.
Two different conversations
Under the current regime you aim there you are putting everything in the hands of the refs because of the rulings
Is that how I understand rugby works? No. But my time has passed. Don't want to get sent off? Aim a lot lower and don't aim up
Which goes to the mitigation @ARHS was pointing out. Naisarani shouldn't be sent from the field permanently because in the space of half a step a player drops to the ground. If that's the way the game is going, and it's hard to tell if refs are deliberately doing this or it's just more incompetence, the game is ruined.
To my mind this is what happens when you ask people to adjudicate who have no experience playing to get a feel for the game.
It was careless. Aimed at nipple line, took his eyes off the situation then drove up.
The reality doesn't agree with your "frame by frame" version of events. Driving off his left foot at a lock, his right foot planted his shoulder is lower and only hits high because the ball carrier dips so much. That's impossible to account for without being a passive defender and makes a mockery of the game.
At the risk of auditioning for GAGR, this shows the mockery:
Lines him up
HIts him
Hits him where he aimed
It's nothing other than a travesty of terrible refereeing.
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I tend to agree with Antipodean, and it's why I like the 20 minute Red Card ruling.
Naisirani was a bit careless and slightly too high, but there was enough of a drop I think to warrant a reduced sanction.
But at least when the Red is shown it doesn't ruin the game for the offending team (and the fans).
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Isi Naisarani suspended for 3 weeks:
https://super.rugby/superrugby/documents/judiciary/round-10-au-naisarani-suspended-for-three-weeks/
Pone Fa'amausili also suspended for three weeks.https://super.rugby/superrugby/documents/judiciary/round-10-au-faamausili-suspended-for-three-weeks/
