SRA Round 10: Blues v Chiefs
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@dan54 said in SRA Round 10: Blues v Chiefs:
@crazy-horse said in SRA Round 10: Blues v Chiefs:
I have said it before, but we have these referrals and the TMO because we fans spit the dummy when we think the officials have gotten something wrong. It wasn't long ago we were having a go at refs for not going upstairs and checking things. Like other sports, to address our moaning they brought in the referral system. Now we are whinging about that too.
Umm excuse me mate!! I not even keen on TMO, and have never wanted ref to go upstairs. I got a real thing about people that whinge about refs. I never seen a ref that makes more mistakes than players. And all the time I coached I harped at my players that ref is always right, even when he's wrong, so deal with it!! I don't even like TMO in cricket, they taking the humanity out of our games!
You are a better person than me. I would hate me if I reffed me. In fact, I would probably hate me if I met me.
@crazy-horse said in SRA Round 10: Blues v Chiefs:
@dan54 said in SRA Round 10: Blues v Chiefs:
@crazy-horse said in SRA Round 10: Blues v Chiefs:
I have said it before, but we have these referrals and the TMO because we fans spit the dummy when we think the officials have gotten something wrong. It wasn't long ago we were having a go at refs for not going upstairs and checking things. Like other sports, to address our moaning they brought in the referral system. Now we are whinging about that too.
Umm excuse me mate!! I not even keen on TMO, and have never wanted ref to go upstairs. I got a real thing about people that whinge about refs. I never seen a ref that makes more mistakes than players. And all the time I coached I harped at my players that ref is always right, even when he's wrong, so deal with it!! I don't even like TMO in cricket, they taking the humanity out of our games!
You are a better person than me. I would hate me if I reffed me. In fact, I would probably hate me if I met me.
:beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes: Fair enough mate, doesn't make me good, just something I tried to teach myself early in piece when I started coaching kids, I figured if I blamed refs, it became easy for players I coached to find same excuse, and not to change the way thay played to adapt to ref, and took the same into coaching seniors. And funnily enough if you stand on sidelines as much as I have (and still do) watching rugby, you will see how little the huge percentage of spectators from kids level to test level ,don't really understand the laws of the game.
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late but belated match report from Saturday night. Been an IRL whirlwind for a few weeks, so good to be back at a computer for a while. Few things to cover off
Tom Robinson
Outstanding as captain. Talked more to the refs in one half of rugby than Patty T did in the whole season to date. I love Pat T, and he's awesome to lead in the team, but influencing refs is not his strong suit. More Tom talking to refs please. Also, he arguably won us the game with his super astute captains challenges.Captains Challenges
Can't stand them. This week they benefitted us, but they suck. Seeing refereeing teams standing around with hands on hips talking is just stupid. At the ground you have no idea what's going on, and they are a goddamn lottery. Burn them with fire, they are a blight on the game. Which brings us nicely toGoal line drop outs
Suck idea as well. FFS, who comes up with this stuff - toally changes the balance of 'ruck just outside the goal line' to 'just over' goes from 5 m scrum to getting the ball back on halfway. It's nuts.Refs and TJs
I commented before the game that I thought the standard was abysmal. They don't get laws to help the, but it's a lottery at times. In this game there were a couple of clear howlers on the touch judges (feet in touch, carried out) that are clear and obvious, but not picked up in real time by the person standing there. Overall, all year it's been super average. I won't start on the tip tackles/tackles in air this year -- they have gone from flavour of the month and starting with Red Cards to 'whatever'. All we want from refs is broad consistency... but one week you get a penalty reversed for a head rub, compared with grabbing playesr in the air having no negative consequences.It's not easy to fix this one, but it's really really impotant to the health of our game in the medium to long term.
Chiefs
Up for it, as expected. Nothing to lose. Scrum held up well and managed to ge tthe ball out when it started to fall apart. Probably a fair result in the end (20 point loss), but battled bloody well to get there. Which brings us nicely toBlues
this game was a perfect example of a team that's down on confidence and looking lumbering and predictable. Last year we saw slick interpassing near sidelines, and good rugby IQ. This year we don't know who our best 9 is, and are not playing heads up rugby. Can't see and exploit space at the moment, and it shows. Despite the talent, the spine is still weak compared to most other sides in the comp (2/8/9/10/15). I think we really missed James Parsons and BB out there.we seemed determined to give the ball back to the Chiefs and relieve pressure. Whether it was dropping goal line kickoffs out on the full, conceding stupid penalties or just plain playing poorly it was an entertaining but low skill game. That said, at 19 all you could panic and fall over, and they stepped up, controlled the game and run in 20 quick points. Genuinely can't complain about the finishing at the end.
I'll post more in the 2021 Blues thread, but at the end of the day we were one reffing decision away from a winning season and a trip to the final. It was two steps forward last year, andhalf a step back this year. Frustrating as a supporter. I do wonder if something has happened in camp - we played very well for three weeks, and then just shat the bed for the rest of the comp.
If I were coach, I'd forget about the backs and just use our dominant forwards in the loose to create space. When those boys get on a roll, no one can live wtih them - combine with a decent set piece and we'd be looking to grind down teams. Not pretty, but I'll take that over shovelling the ball around all over the place.
That said, mauls have come on a long way this year. You could see them working on them every game, mauling where prvoiusly we wouldn't. Our maul defence is much better as well - compared to where we were, we've seen massive improvement. And ultimately, that goes to us winning agains NZ sides, which we couldn't do previously. 4-4 is incredible compared to Tana and JK ... and two of those were games we did everything but win.
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Haven't seen the game but this thread was classic fern. Christie went from something like "'It's great we finally have a quick passing 9 and why can't Rangi see this and start Christie' to 'Useless Ginga' to 'Nock should be starting and the coaches should be sacked if they don't see it'. We also got the usual referee and commentary bashing comments, a continuation of the new, but highly entertaining, 'fucking referrals have to go' posts, and there was at least one random Crusader dig.
We really are a bunch of grumpy old men
@crazy-horse said in SRA Round 10: Blues v Chiefs:
and there was at least one random Crusader dig.
Really need to up our game there. Very disappointing you lot (I've only just read it).
Barely got over one anti Crusader dig, FFS what were you all doing, watching the game or something? Hopeless. -
After the Crusaders game, Leon made it seem like Tanielu Telea was a big part of our master plan to change things up, but we get it in this game and there was nothing special about it.
I did feel bad for Telea, because Leon yanks him off at the 44th minute mark. Only props get subbed that early after halftime.
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@crazy-horse said in SRA Round 10: Blues v Chiefs:
@taniwharugby said in SRA Round 10: Blues v Chiefs:
@crazy-horse but the referrals are arse, seems unanimous, so there
I hate them when they go against my team!
I hate that they are used, it's against everything I taught young fellas when I coached them.
But I have no argument about us (or me at least) being called a grumpy old man:grinning_face_with_big_eyes:
@dan54 said in SRA Round 10: Blues v Chiefs:
@crazy-horse said in SRA Round 10: Blues v Chiefs:
@taniwharugby said in SRA Round 10: Blues v Chiefs:
@crazy-horse but the referrals are arse, seems unanimous, so there
I hate them when they go against my team!
I hate that they are used, it's against everything I taught young fellas when I coached them.
But I have no argument about us (or me at least) being called a grumpy old man:grinning_face_with_big_eyes:
Seems like referrals probably even violate the Laws of Rugby.
9.28 Players must respect the authority of the referee. They must not dispute the referee’s decisions.
I guess since that Law comes under foul play, you could refer anyone disputing with the ref.
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I was pleasantly surprised by the performance of the Chiefs, and they were right in the game for 70 mins. Kapeli had a huge defensive game, Florence had impact off the bench and Lord was a nuisance in the lineout. Norris was probably the best prop on the field. Good to see the Chiefs building some depth.
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I was pleasantly surprised by the performance of the Chiefs, and they were right in the game for 70 mins. Kapeli had a huge defensive game, Florence had impact off the bench and Lord was a nuisance in the lineout. Norris was probably the best prop on the field. Good to see the Chiefs building some depth.
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@dan54 said in SRA Round 10: Blues v Chiefs:
@crazy-horse said in SRA Round 10: Blues v Chiefs:
@taniwharugby said in SRA Round 10: Blues v Chiefs:
@crazy-horse but the referrals are arse, seems unanimous, so there
I hate them when they go against my team!
I hate that they are used, it's against everything I taught young fellas when I coached them.
But I have no argument about us (or me at least) being called a grumpy old man:grinning_face_with_big_eyes:
Seems like referrals probably even violate the Laws of Rugby.
9.28 Players must respect the authority of the referee. They must not dispute the referee’s decisions.
I guess since that Law comes under foul play, you could refer anyone disputing with the ref.
@chris-b said in SRA Round 10: Blues v Chiefs:
I guess since that Law comes under foul play, you could refer anyone disputing with the ref.
ha ha, that would be comedy gold. Get opposition halfbacks penalised continuously with disputing the ref decision
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@chris-b said in SRA Round 10: Blues v Chiefs:
I guess since that Law comes under foul play, you could refer anyone disputing with the ref.
ha ha, that would be comedy gold. Get opposition halfbacks penalised continuously with disputing the ref decision
@nzzp said in SRA Round 10: Blues v Chiefs:
@chris-b said in SRA Round 10: Blues v Chiefs:
I guess since that Law comes under foul play, you could refer anyone disputing with the ref.
ha ha, that would be comedy gold. Get opposition halfbacks penalised continuously with disputing the ref decision
If you timed your referral well, the outrage would be something to behold.
The refs would enjoy it - once they realised what you were doing. You'd probably want to have memorized the Law number!
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One of the big bonuses coming out of this game is the potential to use a few of these new players in SuperTT given the horrible draw the Chiefs have. Potential to give some frontliners a travel rest in a couple of games.
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After the Crusaders game, Leon made it seem like Tanielu Telea was a big part of our master plan to change things up, but we get it in this game and there was nothing special about it.
I did feel bad for Telea, because Leon yanks him off at the 44th minute mark. Only props get subbed that early after halftime.
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I think Tele'a is a poor fit with Black at 10.
Black stands deep in the pocket and is almost no threat to run.
Meanwhile Tele'a is not a strong distributor. So the defense can easily key in on Tele'a beside Black as they know that Black won't run or even if he does he's not particularly dangerous.
Tele'a would be better suited to a 10 who plays flatter to the line and goes at the line.
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I think Tele'a is a poor fit with Black at 10.
Black stands deep in the pocket and is almost no threat to run.
Meanwhile Tele'a is not a strong distributor. So the defense can easily key in on Tele'a beside Black as they know that Black won't run or even if he does he's not particularly dangerous.
Tele'a would be better suited to a 10 who plays flatter to the line and goes at the line.
@kiwimurph said in SRA Round 10: Blues v Chiefs:
I think Tele'a is a poor fit with Black at 10.
Black stands deep in the pocket and is almost no threat to run.
Meanwhile Tele'a is not a strong distributor. So the defense can easily key in on Tele'a beside Black as they know that Black won't run or even if he does he's not particularly dangerous.
Tele'a would be better suited to a 10 who plays flatter to the line and goes at the line.
We'll take him for this weekend then. Alongside DMac for the line bending or holding the D so the skip pass can go to ALB.
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I think Tele'a is a poor fit with Black at 10.
Black stands deep in the pocket and is almost no threat to run.
Meanwhile Tele'a is not a strong distributor. So the defense can easily key in on Tele'a beside Black as they know that Black won't run or even if he does he's not particularly dangerous.
Tele'a would be better suited to a 10 who plays flatter to the line and goes at the line.
@kiwimurph said in SRA Round 10: Blues v Chiefs:
Tele'a would be better suited to a 10 who plays flatter to the line and goes at the line.
It did seem strange that the Plummer-Tele'a combo wasn't used again in this match after MacDonald making such a big deal about the reason they were picked for the Crusaders game.
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For the Blues, Sotutu and Robinson were really good. Sotutu seemed to rise to the challenge of facing the big Chiefs No. 8. Best game this year IMHO. Robinson just goes and goes at 100% and making some really dominant tackles.
The lack of awareness of space and putting the person outside of you into space by the Blues backs was just criminal. Really like Riko on the wing but as a centre, his default position is to pull the ears back and go for the line. The new fullback completely ignored a free Clarke outside of him on a number of occasions as well. For the backs, the parts are there but the machine has a few things to work on.
Clarke is soooo out of form! Even defensively he is running around like a headless chook. Is he looking to beat the man or just run into people? Why is he never in the right place?
The Chiefs are really on their way up, aren't they?. The head coach is getting a good rap now (McMillian?). There seems to be a really good crop of very young looseheads coming through the ranks at Super level (and esp. at the Chiefs). Surely Foster needs to take a punt of one or two with the 2023 World Cup in mind. If Moody goes down just prior or loses form..... -
For the Blues, Sotutu and Robinson were really good. Sotutu seemed to rise to the challenge of facing the big Chiefs No. 8. Best game this year IMHO. Robinson just goes and goes at 100% and making some really dominant tackles.
The lack of awareness of space and putting the person outside of you into space by the Blues backs was just criminal. Really like Riko on the wing but as a centre, his default position is to pull the ears back and go for the line. The new fullback completely ignored a free Clarke outside of him on a number of occasions as well. For the backs, the parts are there but the machine has a few things to work on.
Clarke is soooo out of form! Even defensively he is running around like a headless chook. Is he looking to beat the man or just run into people? Why is he never in the right place?
The Chiefs are really on their way up, aren't they?. The head coach is getting a good rap now (McMillian?). There seems to be a really good crop of very young looseheads coming through the ranks at Super level (and esp. at the Chiefs). Surely Foster needs to take a punt of one or two with the 2023 World Cup in mind. If Moody goes down just prior or loses form.....@old-samurai-jack said in SRA Round 10: Blues v Chiefs:
For the Blues, Sotutu and Robinson were really good. Sotutu seemed to rise to the challenge of facing the big Chiefs No. 8. Best game this year IMHO. Robinson just goes and goes at 100% and making some really dominant tackles.
The lack of awareness of space and putting the person outside of you into space by the Blues backs was just criminal. Really like Riko on the wing but as a centre, his default position is to pull the ears back and go for the line. The new fullback completely ignored a free Clarke outside of him on a number of occasions as well. For the backs, the parts are there but the machine has a few things to work on.
Clarke is soooo out of form! Even defensively he is running around like a headless chook. Is he looking to beat the man or just run into people? Why is he never in the right place?
The Chiefs are really on their way up, aren't they?. The head coach is getting a good rap now (McMillian?). There seems to be a really good crop of very young looseheads coming through the ranks at Super level (and esp. at the Chiefs). Surely Foster needs to take a punt of one or two with the 2023 World Cup in mind. If Moody goes down just prior or loses form.....Sotutu and Sowakula both had their best games in a while, might be a Fijian v Fijian thing that had them both going hard.
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I think Tele'a is a poor fit with Black at 10.
Black stands deep in the pocket and is almost no threat to run.
Meanwhile Tele'a is not a strong distributor. So the defense can easily key in on Tele'a beside Black as they know that Black won't run or even if he does he's not particularly dangerous.
Tele'a would be better suited to a 10 who plays flatter to the line and goes at the line.
@kiwimurph said in SRA Round 10: Blues v Chiefs:
I think Tele'a is a poor fit with Black at 10.
Black stands deep in the pocket and is almost no threat to run.
Meanwhile Tele'a is not a strong distributor. So the defense can easily key in on Tele'a beside Black as they know that Black won't run or even if he does he's not particularly dangerous.
Tele'a would be better suited to a 10 who plays flatter to the line and goes at the line.
That was why he was selected with Plummer.
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@kiwimurph said in SRA Round 10: Blues v Chiefs:
I think Tele'a is a poor fit with Black at 10.
Black stands deep in the pocket and is almost no threat to run.
Meanwhile Tele'a is not a strong distributor. So the defense can easily key in on Tele'a beside Black as they know that Black won't run or even if he does he's not particularly dangerous.
Tele'a would be better suited to a 10 who plays flatter to the line and goes at the line.
That was why he was selected with Plummer.
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@kiwimurph said in SRA Round 10: Blues v Chiefs:
@pakman which begs the question why was he selected with Black this last game?
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late but belated match report from Saturday night. Been an IRL whirlwind for a few weeks, so good to be back at a computer for a while. Few things to cover off
Tom Robinson
Outstanding as captain. Talked more to the refs in one half of rugby than Patty T did in the whole season to date. I love Pat T, and he's awesome to lead in the team, but influencing refs is not his strong suit. More Tom talking to refs please. Also, he arguably won us the game with his super astute captains challenges.Captains Challenges
Can't stand them. This week they benefitted us, but they suck. Seeing refereeing teams standing around with hands on hips talking is just stupid. At the ground you have no idea what's going on, and they are a goddamn lottery. Burn them with fire, they are a blight on the game. Which brings us nicely toGoal line drop outs
Suck idea as well. FFS, who comes up with this stuff - toally changes the balance of 'ruck just outside the goal line' to 'just over' goes from 5 m scrum to getting the ball back on halfway. It's nuts.Refs and TJs
I commented before the game that I thought the standard was abysmal. They don't get laws to help the, but it's a lottery at times. In this game there were a couple of clear howlers on the touch judges (feet in touch, carried out) that are clear and obvious, but not picked up in real time by the person standing there. Overall, all year it's been super average. I won't start on the tip tackles/tackles in air this year -- they have gone from flavour of the month and starting with Red Cards to 'whatever'. All we want from refs is broad consistency... but one week you get a penalty reversed for a head rub, compared with grabbing playesr in the air having no negative consequences.It's not easy to fix this one, but it's really really impotant to the health of our game in the medium to long term.
Chiefs
Up for it, as expected. Nothing to lose. Scrum held up well and managed to ge tthe ball out when it started to fall apart. Probably a fair result in the end (20 point loss), but battled bloody well to get there. Which brings us nicely toBlues
this game was a perfect example of a team that's down on confidence and looking lumbering and predictable. Last year we saw slick interpassing near sidelines, and good rugby IQ. This year we don't know who our best 9 is, and are not playing heads up rugby. Can't see and exploit space at the moment, and it shows. Despite the talent, the spine is still weak compared to most other sides in the comp (2/8/9/10/15). I think we really missed James Parsons and BB out there.we seemed determined to give the ball back to the Chiefs and relieve pressure. Whether it was dropping goal line kickoffs out on the full, conceding stupid penalties or just plain playing poorly it was an entertaining but low skill game. That said, at 19 all you could panic and fall over, and they stepped up, controlled the game and run in 20 quick points. Genuinely can't complain about the finishing at the end.
I'll post more in the 2021 Blues thread, but at the end of the day we were one reffing decision away from a winning season and a trip to the final. It was two steps forward last year, andhalf a step back this year. Frustrating as a supporter. I do wonder if something has happened in camp - we played very well for three weeks, and then just shat the bed for the rest of the comp.
If I were coach, I'd forget about the backs and just use our dominant forwards in the loose to create space. When those boys get on a roll, no one can live wtih them - combine with a decent set piece and we'd be looking to grind down teams. Not pretty, but I'll take that over shovelling the ball around all over the place.
That said, mauls have come on a long way this year. You could see them working on them every game, mauling where prvoiusly we wouldn't. Our maul defence is much better as well - compared to where we were, we've seen massive improvement. And ultimately, that goes to us winning agains NZ sides, which we couldn't do previously. 4-4 is incredible compared to Tana and JK ... and two of those were games we did everything but win.
@nzzp some of your best work .!
