Springboks v British & Irish Lions I
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@mn5 said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Rassie Erasmus said something nice on twitter which I’d share if I knew how.
You could just tell us?
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Boks changing the front row at half time did not work out for them.
At half time I'd have said that Daley, Lawes, Price, Hogg and LCD had played themselves out of the test team for next week. But other than Daly they all redeemed themselves in the second.
@gibbonrib said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Boks changing the front row at half time did not work out for them.
Lions front row struggled to get into the game - suspect it might have been the unit versus individuals because by around 30 minutes they were troubling the SA front row and the SA front row looked tired. Changing the front row at half time wasn't initially noticable because of the Lions success at the start of the second half (kicking, followed by line out, followed by try) but think they did OK for the next 10 minutes until Lions made their own substitutions.
Overall, the two SA front rows look down on fitness versus Lions.
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@act-crusader said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Jonker - “Happy with the pass
Very strange all round - said the forward pass was OK but said he was offside anyway
@junior said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@act-crusader said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Jonker - “Happy with the pass
Very strange all round - said the forward pass was OK but said he was offside anyway
Sky (Mike Tindell and Nigel Owens) showed an in-depth review - forward pass looked flat from the angles they showed. Offside from the front angle versus overhead/reverse angle shown during the game, accounting for angle of the view showed le Roux's leading foot was in-front of the kicker so looked like Jonker got it right.
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@bones said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Imagine what an in form England or Boks would do to these teams.
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@sparky said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Lawes, AWJ and Itoje has been massive for the Lions.
I thought Lawes was terrible and AWJ invisible in the first half. But good second half from all of them.
@gibbonrib said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@sparky said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Lawes, AWJ and Itoje has been massive for the Lions.
I thought Lawes was terrible and AWJ invisible in the first half. But good second half from all of them.
Ha fucking ha
Lawes should have been MOTM
Then Kwagga
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A better 2nd half and the BIL played at the right end of the field.
As to Jonker, the speed he was making his TMO decisions was a departure from normal. OK if you get the calls right. I also thought that was a forward pass before le Roux was in front.
I'd make a few changes if I was Gatland. Daly looked lightweight at centre. I've said my piece about Sutherland.
@bovidae said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
A better 2nd half and the BIL played at the right end of the field.
As to Jonker, the speed he was making his TMO decisions was a departure from normal. OK if you get the calls right. I also thought that was a forward pass before le Roux was in front.
I'd make a few changes if I was Gatland. Daly looked lightweight at centre. I've said my piece about Sutherland.
Agreed
Sutherland 3rd choice if Wyn Jones is fit
Both Price and Daly were selected on what they’d done previously under a different game plan
Struggled today
But that’s a coaching problem
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@darren said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
So as in impartial viewer, what a boring game of rugby.
Only the scoreboard kept it interesting.
It seems in the last couple years and constantly getting worse, with every try we have to spend 5 minutes looking for a reason not to award it, its getting old and really slows the game down.
I would be interested to see how much of the game the ball was out of play, seemed a lot more than usual.
Not a game I would ever bother to re-watch sadly.Disagree on the game - that was a really physical, hard fought game with pretty damn good skills. Very few errors. I thoroughly enjoyed it, the level was a big big step up on what' we've seen so far this year. And it's what you'd expect - quality players lifting for a big series that means something.
Agree with you about the TMO though. At least the refs now let things play out, then figure it out. Reckon they the decisions pretty well got it right as well - but I think Lions 13 was saved by the knock on from Kolbe. @Damo may be able to help, but do you really ignore professional fouls (pulling back player) after the initial knockon?
Five minute sin faf de klerk looked very average, with poor kicking, but built nicely. Tom Currie cost three quick penalties and seemed fairly ineffective. Itoje was a mixed bag, but has great length of reach - and if refs let you latch on the ball, why the hell wouldn't you.
Overall thoroughly enjoyable, pity the TMO decisions were all so tight as it took away from the game a bit. Woul dhave loved a crowd there
Tom Currie cost three quick penalties and seemed fairly ineffective. Itoje was a mixed bag, but has great length of reach - and if refs let you latch on the ball, why the hell wouldn't you.
I thought Curry cost two penalties and one was the late hit on Faf which is kinda worth it....
Kwagga Smith will remember Curry for a while with that first hit in the second half when Smith/le Roux let the ball bounce and Smith cleaned it up - that led to the Lions penalty/line out/try. When Curry was replaced by Hamish Watson, I thought Watson struggled but the game didn't really suit a fetcher and when given the ball Watson was often on the back foot cleaning up rather than being given good ball to run with.
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Boks changing the front row at half time did not work out for them.
At half time I'd have said that Daley, Lawes, Price, Hogg and LCD had played themselves out of the test team for next week. But other than Daly they all redeemed themselves in the second.
@gibbonrib said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Boks changing the front row at half time did not work out for them.
At half time I'd have said that Daley, Lawes, Price, Hogg and LCD had played themselves out of the test team for next week. But other than Daly they all redeemed themselves in the second.
100%
The quota became the quorum
Should have kept them on longerPrice was playing to script
Should have picked Murray 1.0 insteadDaly was the recipient of slow, shit ball
Hogg should be replaced by Liam Williams for the 2nd Test
LCD a better finisher to Owens
Lawes and Furlong first two names on the sheet
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@bovidae said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
A better 2nd half and the BIL played at the right end of the field.
As to Jonker, the speed he was making his TMO decisions was a departure from normal. OK if you get the calls right. I also thought that was a forward pass before le Roux was in front.
I'd make a few changes if I was Gatland. Daly looked lightweight at centre. I've said my piece about Sutherland.
Agreed
Sutherland 3rd choice if Wyn Jones is fit
Both Price and Daly were selected on what they’d done previously under a different game plan
Struggled today
But that’s a coaching problem
@mikethesnow said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Both Price and Daly were selected on what they’d done previously under a different game plan
Thought Price was at a similar level to most of his team mates in the first half but his kicking game in the second half really turned things around.
But Lions looked more composed when Conor came on for the last 16 mins.
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@junior said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@act-crusader said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Jonker - “Happy with the pass
Very strange all round - said the forward pass was OK but said he was offside anyway
Sky (Mike Tindell and Nigel Owens) showed an in-depth review - forward pass looked flat from the angles they showed. Offside from the front angle versus overhead/reverse angle shown during the game, accounting for angle of the view showed le Roux's leading foot was in-front of the kicker so looked like Jonker got it right.
@pecotrain said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@junior said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@act-crusader said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Jonker - “Happy with the pass
Very strange all round - said the forward pass was OK but said he was offside anyway
Sky (Mike Tindell and Nigel Owens) showed an in-depth review - forward pass looked flat from the angles they showed. Offside from the front angle versus overhead/reverse angle shown during the game, accounting for angle of the view showed le Roux's leading foot was in-front of the kicker so looked like Jonker got it right.
Greenwood not Tindall
Now that would be a good scrap if either took offence
My money would be on Tindall
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I’m halfway through the game and have just spoilt it for myself by coming on here ,
I struggled a bit with it at first tbh, been watching a lot of league and our rugby so far has been pretty loose and open , took a bit adjusting my brain back to what tight test match rugby is about ,
I’m probably supporting the lions for no other reason than it possibly makes us look a bit better if they lose ? but otherwise don’t care that much , I don’t dislike the boks or anything,
Look forward to the second half now
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I’m halfway through the game and have just spoilt it for myself by coming on here ,
I struggled a bit with it at first tbh, been watching a lot of league and our rugby so far has been pretty loose and open , took a bit adjusting my brain back to what tight test match rugby is about ,
I’m probably supporting the lions for no other reason than it possibly makes us look a bit better if they lose ? but otherwise don’t care that much , I don’t dislike the boks or anything,
Look forward to the second half now
@kiwiinmelb said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
I’m halfway through the game and have just spoilt it for myself by coming on here ,
I struggled a bit with it at first tbh, been watching a lot of league and our rugby so far has been pretty loose and open , took a bit adjusting my brain back to what tight test match rugby is about ,
I’m probably supporting the lions for no other reason than it possibly makes us look a bit better if they lose ? but otherwise don’t care that much , I don’t dislike the boks or anything,
> Look forward to the second half now
I reckon the Lions have got this about 22-17
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Watson fucking lucky to stay on the field after that tip tackle.
Boks are 10-man Rugby at best. Pollard was a superstar at age level but is a fucking awful test 10 with grown ups. As soon as the wingers started dropping the ball from the endless hoist balls, they were fucked. Kwagga Smith had a shocker, too.
Was a game built around discipline, mainly, and the boks weren't up to it.
Itoje got MOTM. I thought Lawes was more influential, overall.
Alun Wyn Jones is a good leader - always talking to the refs, steady as she goes at the start of that second half and build into a lead.
What a shit game to watch.
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I thought that no try call was pretty harsh. The angle they used was from behind the kicker so of course he's always going to look in front.
Maybe they should have a chat with EUFA about those fancy lines they used for offside in VAR.
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@gibbonrib said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@sparky said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Lawes, AWJ and Itoje has been massive for the Lions.
I thought Lawes was terrible and AWJ invisible in the first half. But good second half from all of them.
Ha fucking ha
Lawes should have been MOTM
Then Kwagga
@mikethesnow said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@gibbonrib said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@sparky said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Lawes, AWJ and Itoje has been massive for the Lions.
I thought Lawes was terrible and AWJ invisible in the first half. But good second half from all of them.
Ha fucking ha
Lawes should have been MOTM
Then Kwagga
Expected Lawes to be mom. He really delivered throughout.
Expected to hear more of the Itoje 5m turnover while kneeling on players though. That strange non-call had a huge impact on the game. Berry v good otherwise.
Thought only Daly and Curry under performed for Lions. But the Boks lost it with a poor impact from the entire bench. I did not expect that. -
@mn5 said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Rassie Erasmus said something nice on twitter which I’d share if I knew how.
In reply to official Twitter result tweet
No excuses this side!! You are far away from home, families and going through same tough covid protocols like we do!! Congrats and well deserved !!!
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Was funny seeing Gats celebrating at the end, I thought he's going a bit OTT, then I remembered that's his first win in a loooong time.
I'm in the expected Lawes to MOTM camp too, apparently Itoje just has to turn up though.
I want the Boks to win the next two, one because I can't support the Lions, their ok parts (Scotland and Wales) are cancelled out by the other two. Plus, I want the Boks (assuming we get to play them) to be on top of their game when we play them, and not broken from a series loss.
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Was funny seeing Gats celebrating at the end, I thought he's going a bit OTT, then I remembered that's his first win in a loooong time.
I'm in the expected Lawes to MOTM camp too, apparently Itoje just has to turn up though.
I want the Boks to win the next two, one because I can't support the Lions, their ok parts (Scotland and Wales) are cancelled out by the other two. Plus, I want the Boks (assuming we get to play them) to be on top of their game when we play them, and not broken from a series loss.
@nepia said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
I want the Boks to win the next two,
Should be a really tight series; eitehr side could easily have won that game if tight refereeing decisions fell their way. Next weekend will be huge - I may well get up for it, biggest game outside RWC in this cycle I reckon
