Springboks v British & Irish Lions III
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It's probably just the cynic in me, but I've got the feeling the quality of the whole of international rugby has fallen down a cliff compared to the mid 2010's.
@tordah said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions III:
It's probably just the cynic in me, but I've got the feeling the quality of the whole of international rugby has fallen down a cliff compared to the mid 2010's.
It depends what you are looking for. That was high drama.
The physicality, discipline and steel of the Springboks is frankly amazing. You might not like how they play. But I doubt they and their supporters care one iota.
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@mattasaurus said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions III:
@tordah I was sitting here thinking the same thing
We’ll see when NZ play SA
@mikethesnow I thought abs Aussies were poor last night too
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Williams cost the Lions the series by not passing to an unmarked man in the 1st half. I don't think the Boks would have been able to come back from a 14 point deficit.
@akan004 said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions III:
Williams cost the Lions the series by not passing to an unmarked man in the 1st half. I don't think the Boks would have been able to come back from a 14 point deficit.
I’ve been waiting for this
Curry should have been substituted at 40 mins in 1st Test and stood down thereafter.
If you watch it back, Curry gave away needless penalties at critical times which were far more instrumental in the BIL loss.
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It's probably just the cynic in me, but I've got the feeling the quality of the whole of international rugby has fallen down a cliff compared to the mid 2010's.
@tordah said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions III:
It's probably just the cynic in me, but I've got the feeling the quality of the whole of international rugby has fallen down a cliff compared to the mid 2010's.
It's the constantly nagging the Ref, more medics on the field than in the local hospital, cynical attempts to get penalties, stoppages, coaches playing stupid mind-games which is ruining the game for me.
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I’m convinced that Russell was told to wise up at half-time and play the game plan and in the second half he no influence
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Lions blame games for this one are going to be going on for a very long time.
For me, it was always a tour too far for Warren Gatland.
@sparky said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions III:
Lions blame games for this one are going to be going on for a very long time.
For me, it was always a tour too far for Warren Gatland.
100%
Garland 2.0 was needed
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@akan004 said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions III:
Williams cost the Lions the series by not passing to an unmarked man in the 1st half. I don't think the Boks would have been able to come back from a 14 point deficit.
I’ve been waiting for this
Curry should have been substituted at 40 mins in 1st Test and stood down thereafter.
If you watch it back, Curry gave away needless penalties at critical times which were far more instrumental in the BIL loss.
@mikethesnow The problem is Watson was ragdolled when he came on in the 1st test so am not sure who they could have replaced Curry with. Curry was incredibly disappointing though which was a surprise, normally he's a match winner. Have to question a few of Gatland's selections even prior to the tour and his tactics of playing Bok style rugby for most of the series was a wrong one. They looked so good in the 1st half when they decided to play a bit.
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@mikethesnow The problem is Watson was ragdolled when he came on in the 1st test so am not sure who they could have replaced Curry with. Curry was incredibly disappointing though which was a surprise, normally he's a match winner. Have to question a few of Gatland's selections even prior to the tour and his tactics of playing Bok style rugby for most of the series was a wrong one. They looked so good in the 1st half when they decided to play a bit.
@akan004 said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions III:
@mikethesnow The problem is Watson was ragdolled when he came on in the 1st test so am not sure who they could have replaced Curry with. Curry was incredibly disappointing though which was a surprise, normally he's a match winner. Have to question a few of Gatland's selections even prior to the tour and his tactics of playing Bok style rugby for most of the series was a wrong one. They looked so good in the 1st half when they decided to play a bit.
1 million %
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@tordah said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions III:
It's probably just the cynic in me, but I've got the feeling the quality of the whole of international rugby has fallen down a cliff compared to the mid 2010's.
It depends what you are looking for. That was high drama.
The physicality, discipline and steel of the Springboks is frankly amazing. You might not like how they play. But I doubt they and their supporters care one iota.
@sparky said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions III:
@tordah said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions III:
It's probably just the cynic in me, but I've got the feeling the quality of the whole of international rugby has fallen down a cliff compared to the mid 2010's.
It depends what you are looking for. That was high drama.
The physicality, discipline and steel of the Springboks is frankly amazing. You might not like how they play. But I doubt they and their supporters care one iota.
That is absolutely true, especially regarding discipline. Compared to what the ABs dished up against the Wobs, this was a masterclass. But still, the Lions series vs Australia in 2013 was way more entertaining and - in my mind - way more high quality. Might just be me getting older and more ignorant.
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@oompb said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions III:
Bok bevok.
Well done mate
Thoroughly deserved
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@sparky said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions III:
@tordah said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions III:
It's probably just the cynic in me, but I've got the feeling the quality of the whole of international rugby has fallen down a cliff compared to the mid 2010's.
It depends what you are looking for. That was high drama.
The physicality, discipline and steel of the Springboks is frankly amazing. You might not like how they play. But I doubt they and their supporters care one iota.
That is absolutely true, especially regarding discipline. Compared to what the ABs dished up against the Wobs, this was a masterclass. But still, the Lions series vs Australia in 2013 was way more entertaining and - in my mind - way more high quality. Might just be me getting older and more ignorant.
The Boks are a impressive side in a number of ways but I disagree with the discipline comment.
They gave up a host of penalties and were illdisciplined just to spoil the lions play towards the end of the game. Blatant disregard for the offside law. A bit like the lions on ‘17.
They are street smart and play the game at their own pace and have huge physicality and strong set piece.
Once again they show that the best way for them to win a high stakes game of rugby is to play as little rugby as possible.
You are right, they or their supporters won’t care less about Any criticism or how they are perceived.
I can’t see how the All Blacks will be able to handle this aspect of their play. They will suffocate us and if we do get on top, they will just slow the game down to take any momentum away from us and let them get their breath back.
The stupid thing is every one continues to fall for their antics. Water carriers on at every stoppage, injuries all over the park.
This series against the Lions should be a watershed moment for rugby for a number of reasons but world rugby will not change anything and it will only be another nail in the coffin or rugby as a spectacle.
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@mattasaurus said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions III:
@tordah I was sitting here thinking the same thing
We’ll see when NZ play SA
@mikethesnow said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions III:
@mattasaurus said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions III:
@tordah I was sitting here thinking the same thing
We’ll see when NZ play SA
We are still more likely than not to lose but that series has given me more hope that we may be able to beat them if they’re a little bit off and we do our usual thing of turning arsey half chances into five pointers
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@tordah said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions III:
It's probably just the cynic in me, but I've got the feeling the quality of the whole of international rugby has fallen down a cliff compared to the mid 2010's.
It's the constantly nagging the Ref, more medics on the field than in the local hospital, cynical attempts to get penalties, stoppages, coaches playing stupid mind-games which is ruining the game for me.
@victor-meldrew said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions III:
@tordah said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions III:
It's probably just the cynic in me, but I've got the feeling the quality of the whole of international rugby has fallen down a cliff compared to the mid 2010's.
It's the constantly nagging the Ref, more medics on the field than in the local hospital, cynical attempts to get penalties, stoppages, coaches playing stupid mind-games which is ruining the game for me.
Yes the playing for penalties is particularly galling - I can understand when you’re 2 points down in the final 5 mins but too many teams are playing for 3s from the first minute
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Lions blame games for this one are going to be going on for a very long time.
For me, it was always a tour too far for Warren Gatland.
@sparky said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions III:
Lions blame games for this one are going to be going on for a very long time.
For me, it was always a tour too far for Warren Gatland.
Hardly - he was one dodgy penalty away from another “victorious” drawn series
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@mikethesnow said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions III:
@mattasaurus said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions III:
@tordah I was sitting here thinking the same thing
We’ll see when NZ play SA
We are still more likely than not to lose but that series has given me more hope that we may be able to beat them if they’re a little bit off and we do our usual thing of turning arsey half chances into five pointers
That used to be SA’s thing - intercepts, doing nothing then running in a try from a mistake.
Actually come to think of it, it still is.
We need to play them at their strongest, at their most negative and their most cynical this year. Just to get exposure to how they operate so we can benchmark ourselves, improve individually and as a side and hopefully beat them (they are hardly unbeatable or one of the great rugby sides).
As I mentioned, I feel as if the ABs are playing like a sixth SRA franchise and need to evolve into a proper AB test side. Playing the boks will help us do that.
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That used to be SA’s thing - intercepts, doing nothing then running in a try from a mistake.
Actually come to think of it, it still is.
We need to play them at their strongest, at their most negative and their most cynical this year. Just to get exposure to how they operate so we can benchmark ourselves, improve individually and as a side and hopefully beat them (they are hardly unbeatable or one of the great rugby sides).
As I mentioned, I feel as if the ABs are playing like a sixth SRA franchise and need to evolve into a proper AB test side. Playing the boks will help us do that.
@dagrubster this is why our rivalry is critical for rugby. The boks cannot simply grind the ABs into submission. And the ABs cannot easily run the boks off their feet.
