Canes vs Chiefs
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11630438'>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11630438</a></p>
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<p>This article probably reflects where I stand on the issue.</p>
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<p>First of all, now that I know the team that forces uncontested scrums can't replace the injured player, I don't care whether the or not the team could technically press gang another player into propping the other side of the scrum. That's up to the coach/manager to decide. Having fulfilled their obligation to provide two props for each side of the scrum, if those 2 props get injured they have the choice to either play a less familiar in that position or play a man down. I'm happy with that. It's a bit harsh if you see two props stretchered off and there's no disputing their injuries, but oh well.</p>
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<p>As to whether or not the player was really injured. I choose to believe Rennie. Maybe Tokolahi would have grimaced through it if the Chiefs were dominating the scrums, but again, now that I know they have to play a man down, I don't care either way.</p>
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<p>If your team didn't force uncontested scrums, then take the props off so they can high five on the sideline for the rest of the game, bring on all your backs and loose forwards from the bench and force the one man advantage. And until this starts happening more than a few times a season, then I don't think it's a big problem. In 70 odd games coaching the Chiefs, Rennie said this is the first time his side has forced uncontested scrums.</p>
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<p>By the by, I'm still trying to figure out where I stand on how much a scrum should be punished for being shit. On the one hand, scrums are an important part of rugby and if you can get away with having a bad one, a lot of teams will start playing a rugby league front row. On the other hand, it's tough to see a prop copping penalties and sin-binnings, usually reserved for cheaters, just for being shit.</p>
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<p>Not sure I agree with this part of the article:</p>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;font-size:12px;background-color:rgb(247,247,247);">If the All Blacks had done something similar against the Boks, New Zealanders would be praising the smartness of coach Steve Hansen and urging South Africans to move on; to believe there was no scandal or manipulation of the rules.</span></p> -
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<p>He's handled this badly. Feeling guilty maybe? :yes:</p>
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<p>How has he handled this badly? He hasn't said a word until defending himself from being called a cheat and liar by an organisation that they cooperate with on a regular basis and had every opportunity to get both sides of the story before riling up shit with their piece the other day.</p>
<p>If I was Rennie I would be pissed off too.</p>
<p>He has fronted up and explained the bits that weren't in the story along with clarifying what actually was happening during the exchanges between trainers and game managers etc instead of everyone guessing.</p>
<p>What else was he meant to do? Jump to the media with a pre-emptive explanation? That would have certainly attracted accusations of getting your excuses in early.</p> -
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<p>Not sure I agree with this part of the article:</p>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;font-size:12px;background-color:rgb(247,247,247);">If the All Blacks had done something similar against the Boks, New Zealanders would be praising the smartness of coach Steve Hansen and urging South Africans to move on; to believe there was no scandal or manipulation of the rules.</span></p>
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<p>World Cup Final... I'd be all over it! Stoked in fact.</p> -
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World Cup Final... I'd be all over it! Stoked in fact.</p></blockquote>
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I'm not so sure. Would not at all be happy with 4 years of whiney opposition telling us we won because we cheated..especially if they had a point! -
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<p>I'm not so sure. Would not at all be happy with 4 years of whiney opposition telling us we won because we cheated..especially if they had a point!</p>
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<p>I love hearing a good whine! It just elevates my smugness levels</p> -
<p>Just re-watched the game.</p>
<p>Aside from his kicking Barrett was on fire, and left Cruds in the shadows.</p>
<p>Without Ngatai's organisation in midfield the Chiefs suffered.</p>
<p>On a number of occasions Barrett attacked the weak inside shoulder of Cruden and found space - especially glaring in the Woodward non-try where he wrong-footed Cruds from the ruck, and gassed him.</p>
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<p>How has he handled this badly? He hasn't said a word until defending himself from being called a cheat and liar by an organisation that they cooperate with on a regular basis and had every opportunity to get both sides of the story before riling up shit with their piece the other day.</p>
<p>If I was Rennie I would be pissed off too.</p>
<p>He has fronted up and explained the bits that weren't in the story along with clarifying what actually was happening during the exchanges between trainers and game managers etc instead of everyone guessing.</p>
<p>What else was he meant to do? Jump to the media with a pre-emptive explanation? That would have certainly attracted accusations of getting your excuses in early.</p>
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<p>He should have kept his cool. He didn't. If the Chiefs are entirely clean on this front there is no need to get angry. So if he had calmly explained again that the prop was injured and we have never had this situation before then it would all have died down. Now I do wonder. Just maybe they wanted uncontested scrums</p>
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<p>But even if they did these are the rules now. Maybe other teams should use this tactic in situations like the Chiefs were in. Go down to 14 men and just hang in there edit and the rule is much better now. where teams have to go down to 14 men. Whereas before it sucked</p> -
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<p>He should have kept his cool. He didn't. If the Chiefs are entirely clean on this front there is no need to get angry. So if he had calmly explained again that the prop was injured and we have never had this situation before then it would all have died down. Now I do wonder. Just maybe they wanted uncontested scrums</p>
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<p>But even if they did these are the rules now. Maybe other teams should use this tactic in situations like the Chiefs were in. Go down to 14 men and just hang in there</p>
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<p>did you listen to the interview? He said he was pissed off, didnt lose his cool, or is there another interview where he lost his cool?</p> -
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<p>How has he handled this badly? He hasn't said a word until defending himself from being called a cheat and liar by an organisation that they cooperate with on a regular basis and had every opportunity to get both sides of the story before riling up shit with their piece the other day.</p>
<p>If I was Rennie I would be pissed off too.</p>
<p>He has fronted up and explained the bits that weren't in the story along with clarifying what actually was happening during the exchanges between trainers and game managers etc instead of everyone guessing.</p>
<p>What else was he meant to do? Jump to the media with a pre-emptive explanation? That would have certainly attracted accusations of getting your excuses in early.</p>
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<p>Relax its just the way Wingers mind works.</p> -
Lovely to watch
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<p>That's a nice way to start. Great line, straight running at pace.</p>
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<p>Ummm, either you guys are just watching the Canes v the Chiefs for the first time almost a week late, or you haven't realised the Chiefs v Sharks game thread is here . . . <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.daimenhutchison.com/rugby/index.php/topic/41960-chiefs-v-sharks/'>http://www.daimenhutchison.com/rugby/index.php/topic/41960-chiefs-v-sharks/</a></p>
