Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour
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@rotated said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
The key to the Barrett knock down to me is the pass itself. It's a loopy infield effort and you can see on the replay Barrett reads it out of the hand and then attacks for the intercept. IMO that pass is loopy enough to be reasonably taken one handed.
He remains comfortably on his feet during the attempt and if taken it was a try. The final try has many similarities to that effort, if he shelled that a penalty or yellow card would have been a joke.
Knock on would be my preference. I understand why it is a penalty in this day and age but I'm struggling to see the cynicism in that play. His read of it out of the hand is evidence to the opposite.
I just have a tough time seeing a yellow card for an attempted intercept above shoulder height in almost any circumstances.
Fuck me mate but you’ve raised a few red herrings there.
The fact that the pass is infield or loopy is completely irrelevant. Barrett stays on his feet - so what?
If he takes the catch (which by the way he was nowhere near doing), he scores is again irrelevant.
I agree no cynicism in the action, but again that is not relevant.
@catogrande said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@rotated said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
The key to the Barrett knock down to me is the pass itself. It's a loopy infield effort and you can see on the replay Barrett reads it out of the hand and then attacks for the intercept. IMO that pass is loopy enough to be reasonably taken one handed.
He remains comfortably on his feet during the attempt and if taken it was a try. The final try has many similarities to that effort, if he shelled that a penalty or yellow card would have been a joke.
Knock on would be my preference. I understand why it is a penalty in this day and age but I'm struggling to see the cynicism in that play. His read of it out of the hand is evidence to the opposite.
I just have a tough time seeing a yellow card for an attempted intercept above shoulder height in almost any circumstances.
Fuck me mate but you’ve raised a few red herrings there.
The fact that the pass is infield or loopy is completely irrelevant. Barrett stays on his feet - so what?
If he takes the catch (which by the way he was nowhere near doing), he scores is again irrelevant.
I agree no cynicism in the action, but again that is not relevant.
Re you last line there Cato, I'd have thought that was the most relevant?
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Worst decision by far for me was the penalty against the welsh bloke for trying to catch the ball in the air and banging into Jordie. That's the sort of decision that makes a mockery of the game.
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@voodoo Maybe this image will help - just because you're trying to catch the ball doesn't mean you can't be penalised for getting it horribly wrong.
@kiwipie said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@voodoo Maybe this image will help - just because you're trying to catch the ball doesn't mean you can't be penalised for getting it horribly wrong.
That doesn't change a thing for me! If anything it shows that he got up before and higher than Jordie. What are you seeing in that?
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@kiwipie said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@voodoo Maybe this image will help - just because you're trying to catch the ball doesn't mean you can't be penalised for getting it horribly wrong.
That doesn't change a thing for me! If anything it shows that he got up before and higher than Jordie. What are you seeing in that?
@voodoo It shows that he was too early and in the wrong place and Jordie was on time and heading for the right place. If Adams was ever going to catch the ball, then the ball had to be involved with the collision of the players.
A video would have been more useful than a photo to be fair
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@voodoo It shows that he was too early and in the wrong place and Jordie was on time and heading for the right place. If Adams was ever going to catch the ball, then the ball had to be involved with the collision of the players.
A video would have been more useful than a photo to be fair
@kiwipie said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@voodoo It shows that he was too early and in the wrong place and Jordie was on time and heading for the right place. If Adams was ever going to catch the ball, then the ball had to be involved with the collision of the player
You have sharper eyes than me if you can deduce all that from the picture. In real time, with replays, all I saw was 2 blokes in a contest, both going for the ball. One maybe slightly early, the other looked slightly late to me.
The sort of thing that can and should happen multiple times in a game without the need for endless reviews and a sanction.
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Here are a few thoughts after a rewatch :
- TJP was not as bad as most ferners wrote. He was an important part of the ABs defensive pattern and harassed his opponents with efficiency. Most of the time, his passing was correct, but not mercurial.
- BB (with the notable exception of an unnecessary high kick after a dazzling run by Jordan) was very good. His delayed pass for ALB's try was a pure beauty.
- Taukeiaho is a beast. He is always making the hard yards and his support play is outstanding.
- Despite his captaincy, Sam Cane will find it difficult to regain his place as Dalton Papali'i had a hell of a match. No missed tackles, strong carries, one important turnover, one good taken try : he is now one of the best opensiders in the world.
- What is Savea's best position : 7 or 8 ? He was abrasive against Wales.
- Lomax has learned to prop. He did well when he came in as far as scrums are concerned.
- Vaai'i is a future great. We need to see him doing the dark jobs, however.
- ALB + Rieko Ioane worked well as a combo during the last 25 minutes. I would tend to think that ALB is the best centre when the ABs are on defense while Rieko is the best attacker in offensive situations. ALB was a pain in the neck for the Welsh when they were trying to throw the ball wide.
- By the way, thanks a lot to the two NZers in red jerseys for their try assists.
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Here are a few thoughts after a rewatch :
- TJP was not as bad as most ferners wrote. He was an important part of the ABs defensive pattern and harassed his opponents with efficiency. Most of the time, his passing was correct, but not mercurial.
- BB (with the notable exception of an unnecessary high kick after a dazzling run by Jordan) was very good. His delayed pass for ALB's try was a pure beauty.
- Taukeiaho is a beast. He is always making the hard yards and his support play is outstanding.
- Despite his captaincy, Sam Cane will find it difficult to regain his place as Dalton Papali'i had a hell of a match. No missed tackles, strong carries, one important turnover, one good taken try : he is now one of the best opensiders in the world.
- What is Savea's best position : 7 or 8 ? He was abrasive against Wales.
- Lomax has learned to prop. He did well when he came in as far as scrums are concerned.
- Vaai'i is a future great. We need to see him doing the dark jobs, however.
- ALB + Rieko Ioane worked well as a combo during the last 25 minutes. I would tend to think that ALB is the best centre when the ABs are on defense while Rieko is the best attacker in offensive situations. ALB was a pain in the neck for the Welsh when they were trying to throw the ball wide.
- By the way, thanks a lot to the two NZers in red jerseys for their try assists.
@cgrant said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
Here are a few thoughts after a rewatch :
- TJP was not as bad as most ferners wrote. He was an important part of the ABs defensive pattern and harassed his opponents with efficiency. Most of the time, his passing was correct, but not mercurial.
- BB (with the notable exception of an unnecessary high kick after a dazzling run by Jordan) was very good. His delayed pass for ALB's try was a pure beauty.
- Taukeiaho is a beast. He is always making the hard yards and his support play is outstanding.
- Despite his captaincy, Sam Cane will find it difficult to regain his place as Dalton Papali'i had a hell of a match. No missed tackles, strong carries, one important turnover, one good taken try : he is now one of the best opensiders in the world.
- What is Savea's best position : 7 or 8 ? He was abrasive against Wales.
- Lomax has learned to prop. He did well when he came in as far as scrums are concerned.
- Vaai'i is a future great. We need to see him doing the dark jobs, however.
- ALB + Rieko Ioane worked well as a combo during the last 25 minutes. I would tend to think that ALB is the best centre when the ABs are on defense while Rieko is the best attacker in offensive situations. ALB was a pain in the neck for the Welsh when they were trying to throw the ball wide.
- By the way, thanks a lot to the two NZers in red jerseys for their try assists
Genius long term planning by NZR
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@kiwipie said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@voodoo It shows that he was too early and in the wrong place and Jordie was on time and heading for the right place. If Adams was ever going to catch the ball, then the ball had to be involved with the collision of the player
You have sharper eyes than me if you can deduce all that from the picture. In real time, with replays, all I saw was 2 blokes in a contest, both going for the ball. One maybe slightly early, the other looked slightly late to me.
The sort of thing that can and should happen multiple times in a game without the need for endless reviews and a sanction.
@voodoo The video did show it clearer - I don't think it should have gone to the TMO, referee should have called it or not called it as there was no suggestion of foul play but they seem to get nervous when a player gets hurt.
And I expect Jordie was timing it perfectly given how good he is at the skill and how much easier it is to judge when running onto the ball. Penalty because he was denied the opportunity of competing for the ball.
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@voodoo It shows that he was too early and in the wrong place and Jordie was on time and heading for the right place. If Adams was ever going to catch the ball, then the ball had to be involved with the collision of the players.
A video would have been more useful than a photo to be fair
@kiwipie said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@voodoo It shows that he was too early and in the wrong place and Jordie was on time and heading for the right place. If Adams was ever going to catch the ball, then the ball had to be involved with the collision of the players.
A video would have been more useful than a photo to be fair
Bunkum, it doesn't show anything of the sort. Can't tell anything about what happened just from that picture
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@kiwipie said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@voodoo It shows that he was too early and in the wrong place and Jordie was on time and heading for the right place. If Adams was ever going to catch the ball, then the ball had to be involved with the collision of the players.
A video would have been more useful than a photo to be fair
Bunkum, it doesn't show anything of the sort. Can't tell anything about what happened just from that picture
@gibbonrib said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@kiwipie said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@voodoo It shows that he was too early and in the wrong place and Jordie was on time and heading for the right place. If Adams was ever going to catch the ball, then the ball had to be involved with the collision of the players.
A video would have been more useful than a photo to be fair
Bunkum, it doesn't show anything of the sort. Can't tell anything about what happened just from that picture
Good use of the word bunkum. As I said, the video was pretty clear hence why the referee gave a penalty - which was of course my point rather than that the image was a slam dunk
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@gibbonrib said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@kiwipie said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@voodoo It shows that he was too early and in the wrong place and Jordie was on time and heading for the right place. If Adams was ever going to catch the ball, then the ball had to be involved with the collision of the players.
A video would have been more useful than a photo to be fair
Bunkum, it doesn't show anything of the sort. Can't tell anything about what happened just from that picture
Good use of the word bunkum. As I said, the video was pretty clear hence why the referee gave a penalty - which was of course my point rather than that the image was a slam dunk
Did anyone read the player ratings today in the Sunday Times by Mr S Jones. Barrett was lucky to get a 6/10 and is almost as overrated as SBW. He does make me chuckle, especially when he's salty
. He did v much enjoy the English win over NZ today. Is he really Welsh still? -
Samisoni attitude is awesome. No nonsense hard yards. Exactly what we need.
Weber, Samisoni made a big difference.
Im a Razor fan but hats off to Foster doing a good job -
Just going back to this one.
I remember hearing when we played SA, the ref made a comment about not getting two hands to it, so therefore a YC. Clearly not applied here and I am guessing not actually a rule. I am guessing the forward not down part contributed but does anyone know the exact rule as there is obviously a few interpretations out there. For me although he knocked it forward he didnt really look like regathering and would have thought a YC more appropriate after watching again.
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Just going back to this one.
I remember hearing when we played SA, the ref made a comment about not getting two hands to it, so therefore a YC. Clearly not applied here and I am guessing not actually a rule. I am guessing the forward not down part contributed but does anyone know the exact rule as there is obviously a few interpretations out there. For me although he knocked it forward he didnt really look like regathering and would have thought a YC more appropriate after watching again.
thing is BB could have been yellow carded but a Welsh player was also very lucky.
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thing is BB could have been yellow carded but a Welsh player was also very lucky.
I forgot to say earlier that Nepo actually had a good game apart from you know what...
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thing is BB could have been yellow carded but a Welsh player was also very lucky.
@nostrildamus said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
thing is BB could have been yellow carded but a Welsh player was also very lucky.
I am clearly not arguing that and it appears to be a bit of luck regardless, so I am guessing like me you dont know the exact rule either
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@nostrildamus said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
thing is BB could have been yellow carded but a Welsh player was also very lucky.
I am clearly not arguing that and it appears to be a bit of luck regardless, so I am guessing like me you dont know the exact rule either
@bayimports sorry although my post appeared below yours and I did not specify, mine was more regards S Jones and Welsh fans online only talking about BB, not your post.
Regards whether I know how it should be reffed, I am not a ref but I actually did look it up before I looked and found the ref's article posted earlier and I did not find anything about a yellow card required here (https://www.world.rugby/the-game/laws/home), but I personally thought BB was lucky, he had very little chance of catching that, I think he was going for it, but I don't expect an international ref to not think it was a cynical move. -
@mikethesnow I’m not sure that blackadders hit sent him lower but it was no arms so there was a case for yellow card. Your guy needed YC for being a dumb fluffy bunny and ducking his head. He created a situation where injury was probable. Who taught him how to prepare for a tackle?
@broughie said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@mikethesnow I’m not sure that blackadders hit sent him lower but it was no arms so there was a case for yellow card. Your guy needed YC for being a dumb fluffy bunny and ducking his head. He created a situation where injury was probable. Who taught him how to prepare for a tackle?
I think Blackadder assessed the situation really well in this instance. He had seen that the welsh guys head was in avulnerable position and that he could no longer tackle front on so had to try and shift his position to try and tackle side on
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@dan54 said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@mikethesnow Sounds like heaven for a good rugby man!!
You have me very envious!!Hard to beat, even though we were easy to beat
@mikethesnow Mate for a rugby man, the result while important is never the end all!!
I have been to plenty of matches where team I follow gets beat, but have loved being there. It's rugby, and I always used to belive it was something best understood by people from NZ, SA and Wales!!
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Did anyone read the player ratings today in the Sunday Times by Mr S Jones. Barrett was lucky to get a 6/10 and is almost as overrated as SBW. He does make me chuckle, especially when he's salty
. He did v much enjoy the English win over NZ today. Is he really Welsh still?@stodders said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
Did anyone read the player ratings today in the Sunday Times by Mr S Jones. Barrett was lucky to get a 6/10 and is almost as overrated as SBW. He does make me chuckle, especially when he's salty
. He did v much enjoy the English win over NZ today. Is he really Welsh still?Haven't read what Jones wrote, but I too am not as excited about BB's performance as most seem to be. It was typical BB in that he showed he is a very very good rugby player but an average International 10 in other aspects.
