France v Black Ferns 1
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The black ferns showing how, once again, NZR has the forward looking instincts of a dead duck. Too late to centralise and professionalise the sevens, now the same again with women's 15s. You can add the repointing of foster to the slow steady conservative decision making.
So we're can write off the 22 and 23 world cups, and hope that after those things will pick up. Cos the 7s have shown we can still get there, it just takes the oil tanker brains in NZR to turn around to what everyone else can see.
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@yeetyaah that was not clearly in touch and was not a knock on. Blackferns look to me like a first 15 team that used to be bigger & able to bully smaller sides but now those other sides have grown up and are actually just better at playing rugby.
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Indeed. For all the nice words that get said about the domestic game (women and men)… the state of the Black Ferns and the entirely predictable failings of the All Blacks suggests the NZRU is well overdue for a wake up call.
The NZRU being who they are, it’s probably take them several wake-up calls though…
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@donsteppa said in France v Black Ferns 1:
Indeed. For all the nice words that get said about the domestic game (women and men)… the state of the Black Ferns and the entirely predictable failings of the All Blacks suggests the NZRU is well overdue for a wake up call.
The NZRU being who they are, it’s probably take them several wake-up calls though…
honestly, take the silver lake deal, pocket the cash and pray that the historic conveyor belt of talent bails them out in both bazza and shazza forms of the game.
Feels like the Blues for a long time - poor administrator quality filters through to the on field performance
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@sparky said in France v Black Ferns 1:
Another grim scoreline for the Black Ferns.
Serious questions need to be asked of the NZR and why the national sides are so poor at the moment.
With the women's side they simply need games. That's what the NH sides get and it shows.
We can't rely on the odd trip across the ditch and three (yes three) games of Super to build an international side.At lower levels as well women simply need more games that matter. It is ridiculously easy to get into some FPC sides and the skill levels show that. A player like Jorja Miller shines out in part because she has been in a position from a young age to get a lot of gametime and looks like she has instincts because of that.
The women game needs investment and proper coaching from the schools up with as many layers as needed to get quality games.
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@sparky said in France v Black Ferns 1:
@crucial Let the Kiwi women go abroad and play in the professional NH competitions.
Will only work for a small group of young players without children. They'd probably have to be single, too, or be prepared to be separated from their partners for the duration of the competition or have to earn a higher salary than their partners for those partners to give up their day jobs and join the players overseas.
It would also ruin the FPC, and possibly even Super Rugby Aupiki, depending on when those overseas' competitions are played.
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@stargazer said in France v Black Ferns 1:
@sparky said in France v Black Ferns 1:
@crucial Let the Kiwi women go abroad and play in the professional NH competitions.
Will only work for a small group of young players without children. They'd probably have to be single, too, or be prepared to be separated from their partners for the duration of the competition or have to earn a higher salary than their partners for those partners to give up their day jobs and join the players overseas.
It would also ruin the FPC, and possibly even Super Rugby Aupiki, depending on when those overseas' competitions are played.
Even just going to the US and playing college rugby on a scholarship would be a bonus as at least you get plenty go games and accumulate playing minutes. Quality levels are better than many get in a school team and preferable to being in a 'development' team at FPC.
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@crucial said in France v Black Ferns 1:
@stargazer said in France v Black Ferns 1:
@sparky said in France v Black Ferns 1:
@crucial Let the Kiwi women go abroad and play in the professional NH competitions.
Will only work for a small group of young players without children. They'd probably have to be single, too, or be prepared to be separated from their partners for the duration of the competition or have to earn a higher salary than their partners for those partners to give up their day jobs and join the players overseas.
It would also ruin the FPC, and possibly even Super Rugby Aupiki, depending on when those overseas' competitions are played.
Even just going to the US and playing college rugby on a scholarship would be a bonus as at least you get plenty go games and accumulate playing minutes. Quality levels are better than many get in a school team and preferable to being in a 'development' team at FPC.
Minutes on the field are what our women miss first. Quality minutes next.Didn't we used to be world #1? It's an indictment that NZR has let it come to this
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@stargazer said in France v Black Ferns 1:
@canefan We lost the no. 1 ranking due to Covid, because England was playing and winning, and the Ferns didn't play a test for over 2 years.
Covid definitely hasn't helped. These NH women seem to be getting more rugby, tougher matches. And it shows
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@canefan There was supposed to be a Super Four Series in June/July 2021 with NZ playing Australia, USA and Canada (who are in the same boat with far too few tests), but it was cancelled due to Covid. I understand it's now planned for 2022, but not yet confirmed by NZR.
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@stargazer said in France v Black Ferns 1:
@canefan There was supposed to be a Super Four Series in June/July 2021 with NZ playing Australia, USA and Canada (who are in the same boat with far too few tests), but it was cancelled due to Covid. I understand it's now planned for 2022, but not yet confirmed by NZR.
Right. So post covid we should be sweet
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Are the Ferns on fully professional contracts?
I don't follow the women's game that closely, but it seems that the English and French have pulled ahead significantly in the last few years, and they now have a decent pool of pro players.
With Wales (and probably Scotland, Ireland, Italy too), apart from a handful who have contracts at English clubs, most of the players have to fit training around their day jobs
