Ireland v Wales
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Basham in.
One of the few Welsh players to vaguely impress
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From the Penthouse to the Shithouse
Dire
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Just finished the first half.
Ireland's loosehead hasn't been legal at scrum once - shoulders below hips every time. The penalty given to Ireland in the 37th minute was poor officiating from the AR (Peyper was on the other side) as Green loses bind and collapses from his own ineptitude. Biggar could have kicked a penalty from there to make it 10-3.
Other than that, Ireland should be dominating
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My points
- I was on to say Wales were lucky to get nil, but they lucked in to get 7
- Wales rucks like amateur era, committing half a dozen (ineffective) players. Worst ruck work I've seen in a long time.
- Wales rushing up outside player on defence was so badly done, it just made gaps not pressure.
- How the fuck is Gibson-Park on an international team, he's rubbish. Where are Ireland's young nines?
- Ireland really didn't take advantage of their dominance until after the stupidity of Wales 13. I know we all want to smash sextoppingtwat, but that was dumb
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This is embarrassing from Wales, they are terrible. Their defensive formation is shit to start with, staggered lines and short. But it only takes a couple of phases and the whole thing gets pulled apart. On attack they had nothing, no plan, no shape, no ball protection.
Ireland were good. That plan to shift to the outside of Wales worked far to often (they've been using those wraps for years and they still work). And then the option of the short pass to go through the huge holes left by shooters. Like v us, Ireland seem to have to work really hard to turn their dominance in to points, and it's because they lack real strike weapons from 13 out. Good players but hardly tear you apart. Sexton tends to rush things as well, perhaps influenced by needing to give those outsides a lot of chances.
Dominant win. Wales looking nervously at Italy.
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The Irish lock Byrne is really fucking good by the way.
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@machpants I'm not sure teams are offside as often as we think
Not committing defensive players to rucks has two advantages, more players in the D line, and shortens the ruck by up to a metre. Suddenly that hindmost foot isn't much more than the tackled player, and the D line is not far from the attacking 9.
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@mariner4life said in Ireland v Wales:
@machpants I'm not sure teams are offside as often as we think
Not committing defensive players to rucks has two advantages, more players in the D line, and shortens the ruck by up to a metre. Suddenly that hindmost foot isn't much more than the tackled player, and the D line is not far from the attacking 9.
It's not the hindmost foot, it's the rear body part. Thus pretty much every slow or large ruck the defensive team are offside
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@machpants of people on their feet only. Thr guys on the ground mean nothing, which makes guys look a mile.off when they are not
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@nta said in Ireland v Wales:
58th minute - Irish loosehead again arse in the air elbow pointing down as the scrum hits the deck. Jaco penalises Wales for knee on the ground on the ARs call.
In about half of scrums you'd see that called against Green for hinging.
The standard of refereeing leaves a lot to be desired. I thought Jaco had retired!
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@machpants said in Ireland v Wales:
My points
- I was on to say Wales were lucky to get nil, but they lucked in to get 7
They were poor to the point of amateur, Ireland utterly dominated and yet couldn't score 30 points.
- Wales rucks like amateur era, committing half a dozen (ineffective) players. Worst ruck work I've seen in a long time.
- Wales rushing up outside player on defence was so badly done, it just made gaps not pressure.
Particularly when their
midgethalfback is taking the position of post at rucks and then doesn't come up with the defensive line leaving a massive gap for the inside pass to exploit.- How the fuck is Gibson-Park on an international team, he's rubbish. Where are Ireland's young nines?
They're scouring the world for them...
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@mariner4life said in Ireland v Wales:
@machpants of people on their feet only. Thr guys on the ground mean nothing, which makes guys look a mile.off when they are not
Is that a law that could be changed?
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Question please. May have been addressed.
Wat is the ruling when Conway scored when he grounded short then rolled it forward?
My feeling is that he lost possession and propelled it forward so should be a knock on.
Is there a ruling/interpretation/law that defines this that I'm not aware of?
Thanks
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@booboo said in Ireland v Wales:
Question please. May have been addressed.
Wat is the ruling when Conway scored when he grounded short then rolled it forward?
My feeling is that he lost possession and propelled it forward so should be a knock on.
Is there a ruling/interpretation/law that defines this that I'm not aware of?
Thanks
TMO said he never lost control and slid over the line.
I didn't have a problem with it.
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@mariner4life said in Ireland v Wales:
@booboo said in Ireland v Wales:
Question please. May have been addressed.
Wat is the ruling when Conway scored when he grounded short then rolled it forward?
My feeling is that he lost possession and propelled it forward so should be a knock on.
Is there a ruling/interpretation/law that defines this that I'm not aware of?
Thanks
TMO said he never lost control and slid over the line.
I didn't have a problem with it.
I'm not sure if I had a problem with it or not. Just had me querying what the ruling is.
If "control" is the measure there's an argument he did lose control.
Happy to take it if my team scored it. Would whinge against.
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@booboo said in Ireland v Wales:
@mariner4life said in Ireland v Wales:
@booboo said in Ireland v Wales:
Question please. May have been addressed.
Wat is the ruling when Conway scored when he grounded short then rolled it forward?
My feeling is that he lost possession and propelled it forward so should be a knock on.
Is there a ruling/interpretation/law that defines this that I'm not aware of?
Thanks
TMO said he never lost control and slid over the line.
I didn't have a problem with it.
I'm not sure if I had a problem with it or not. Just had me querying what the ruling is.
If "control" is the measure there's an argument he did lose control.
Happy to take it if my team scored it. Would whinge against.
Control is nothing, he meant he never knocked it on, his hand never left the ball, so that's fine
