JK vs BigRed

MN5

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Pretty much 80kg on the dot mate.
 
And not sure you can directly compare adding 30kg weight to me vs someone who ways say 110kg. You would hope they had a bit more muscle than me and not just dead weight like the 30kg I added
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I suppose it is relative to some degree, that bloke who plays the mountain in GOT is a good example. At his weight even if he managed only a few reps ( I'd estimate at least 10 ) that still makes him a fuckload stronger than any of us.

Paekakboyz

I think that just shows you are a beast JK!!
 
In my training experience there are fuckers :whistle: (I mean GC's ) like JK floating around... dudes with really good power/weight who can dominate body-weight and weighted exercises. Sure us bigger fullas might have bigger lifts in absolute numbers but doubt we'd match it in terms of volume at a % body-weight. 
 
I watch <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://www.youtube.com/user/BodybuildingRev'>bodybuildingrev</a> vids on youtube - it's a German channel that matches all sorts of lifters against each other. It's cool stuff if you can get past the rah rah guff. Often the lighter guys (they are all pretty much elite in their domains) do better on the max rep stuff, but sometimes get snaked by the bigger boys when they tire or grip strength goes.
 
It's a cool aspect of lifting I reckon. You can see an average sized dude that looks fit and pretty strong and then watch them go HAM on some big ass weights. By the same token you can have someone that might be much bigger who can't shift as much weight.

MN5

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I think that just shows you are a beast JK!!
 
In my training experience there are fuckers :whistle: (I mean GC's ) like JK floating around... dudes with really good power/weight who can dominate body-weight and weighted exercises. Sure us bigger fullas might have bigger lifts in absolute numbers but doubt we'd match it in terms of volume at a % body-weight. 
 
I watch <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://www.youtube.com/user/BodybuildingRev'>bodybuildingrev</a> vids on youtube - it's a German channel that matches all sorts of lifters against each other. It's cool stuff if you can get past the rah rah guff. Often the lighter guys (they are all pretty much elite in their domains) do better on the max rep stuff, but sometimes get snaked by the bigger boys when they tire or grip strength goes.
 
It's a cool aspect of lifting I reckon. You can see an average sized dude that looks fit and pretty strong and then watch them go HAM on some big ass weights. By the same token you can have someone that might be much bigger who can't shift as much weight.
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Different schools of thought on it all I guess, as I mentioned in one of the other threads Scots centre Richie Vernon chinned 174kg once which is the record at the Glasgow Warriors. That's him plus 72kg in plates, great effort, however he didn't feature in the squats ( not too surprisingly, he's pretty chicken legged for a rugby player ). By their standards ( say what you want about Scots players skills being behind a few countries but they have some athletes ) his absolute strength in that movement is the best in the squad. For our boy JK to do that he'd need to chuck on 94kg in plates, or in other words more than his weight. Conversely one of the props/locks who is 120kg or more would "only" need about 50kg. But in terms of numbers of reps JK could clean up in most pro rugby teams I'd reckon.
 
Whether or not the weight is hanging off you or part of your physical make up it's all the same when it comes to absolute strength, but as Paeks said JK is a strong bugger by any standards especially when you consider the average man on the street can do nil to fuck all chins......
 
I hope JK is coping with all this man love.

JK

Coping with man love but struggling get my head around it all.
 
I think of it more this way, so our Scottish friend chins 174kg, which is his weight plus 72kg or another 70% of his body weight.
 
Wouldn't it be more comparable for me therefore to have to chin my weight plus another 70% of my body weight, ie another 56kg. So my comparable total weight would need to be 136kg.
 
Could I do one single chin up with 56kg strapped to me? maybe....
 
 
From an absolute strength perspective.....no fkn way!

MN5

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Coping with man love but struggling get my head around it all.
 
I think of it more this way, so our Scottish friend chins 174kg, which is his weight plus 72kg or another 70% of his body weight.
 
Wouldn't it be more comparable for me therefore to have to chin my weight plus another 70% of my body weight, ie another 56kg. So my comparable total weight would need to be 136kg.
 
Could I do one single chin up with 56kg strapped to me? maybe....
 
 
From an absolute strength perspective.....no fkn way!
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You'd smoke 56kg brudda. Easy.

Paekakboyz

yeah I'd back you to hit 56kg. 
 
ha ha you should give it a crack!!

MN5

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yeah I'd back you to hit 56kg. 
 
ha ha you should give it a crack!!
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I've done 50kg, it was rather tough. Also did around 55kg but that was at the park with both sons hanging on and suspect the ROM might not have quite been perfect.

JK

Might try Friday!

MN5

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<strike>Might</strike> Will fucken nail it Friday and boast to MN5 and Paeks about it...
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JK

Took it easy today and legs have not recovered well from Tuesdays efforts. Havent had DOMS like this for a long time and it will be due to not really having hit legs with a full workout for a while as it's just been squats and straight leg deads under the previous programme. Feeling it everywhere too - glutes, quads, hammies and calves (the worst!).
 
So today....
 
25mins cycle
15mins rolling and mobility
10mins abs

Paekakboyz

wait another couple of days and you'll be feeling jacked bro.

MN5

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wait another couple of days and you'll be feeling jacked bro. 
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You two are so gay :whistle:

Paekakboyz

You love it!

JK

Chest and arms usual friday. Still farken sore in the legs.Have not recovered well this week. Also got a few achy joints, shoulders, elbows etc. Not good.
 
Warmup was just a few sets of pressups, some stretches and rubber bands.
 
Hammersmith incline chest press - 20x20kg/side, 15x35, 10x40,12x40, 10x40, 10x40 dropset --> 15x30
Machine flies - 20x48kg, 15x54, 15x60
Preacher curls - 12x25kg wide grip superset --> 12x25kg narrow grip, 12x30 wide --> 12x30 narrow, 12x30 wide --> 12x30 narrow
Tricep rope push downs - 20x38kg superset with 12 reps bench dips, 20x44 --> 12 dips, 20x44 --> 12dips
Chins (for biceps) - 15 unweights, + 15kg as 12, +30kg x 6, 6, 20 unweighted
Incline skullcrushers - 20x22kg, 15x27, 15x27, 15x27
Incline Hammer curls - 20x10kg/side, 20x12.5, 20x12.5, 20x12.5
Dips - 15, 15, 20, 20 reps
Reverse cable curls - 20x20kg, 15x26 dropset --> 15x20 X 2 each superset with 15-20 dips

JK

Upper body heavy today - pretty much as per last week but some variations plus adds in weights/reps
 
DB bench - 15x27.5kg/side, 12x30, 8x35, 10x35, 10x35
T-bar row - 15x45kg, 12x55,10x65, 8x70, 8x70 
Incline DB press - 12x27.5kg/side, 15x27.5
Seated row - 15x54kg, 20x54
Dips - plus 24kg x 12, 12, 10 reps 
Pull-ups - 3 sets of 12 (no weight added) 
BB overhead press - 10x40kg, 8x45, 8x45, 8x45, 12x40 with last 3 sets superset with kettlebell shurgs 15x24kg/side 
EZ bar curls - 12x32kg, 10x37, 12x37, 10x37 
Overhead DB extensions - 20x17.5kg, 15x22.5, 12x25, 15x25
 
Feeling a bit flabby of late so back to tracking eats. Gonna have a big 3 weeks pre a two week break in thailand.

JK

Legsssssssss
 
 
Warmup - 5mins ride then 1min vibe, rollout and mobility stretches for hips.
Squats - 20xbar, 10x60kg, 10x100, 8x120, 5x140, 3x150, 3x150, 12x120, 10x60 paused in the hole.
Lunges - 5 sets of 12 per side superset with various sets of the squats
Seated leg curls - 20x66kg/side, 15x78, 15x78
Lying leg curls - 10x42kg dropset --> 10x30, 10x42 --> 10x30
Seated calf press - 20x200, 15x300, 15x300, 15x300, 20x200
Leg extensions 10x66kg dropset --> 10x48 --> 10x30 , 10x66 --> 10x48 --> 10x30
 
Finished with another 5mins on the bike, more vibe, more roll.

JK

Back and shoulders but as usual.....mainly shoulders
 
Lat pulldowns (underhand grip) - 20x48kg, 15x54, 12x60, 10x66, 10x66
1 arm machine rows - 20x50, 15x60, 10x70 then 10 more but both arms X 2
Straight arm pulldowns - 20x38kg, 15x44, 15x50, 12x56
Seated DB press - 20x15kg/side, 15x17.5, 12x20, 12x22.5, 8x25 dropset --> 10x20 --> 10x15
DB lat raises - 15x7.5kg/side, 12x10, 8x12.5 dropset --> 10x7.5, 8x12.5 --> 10x7.5
BB rows (widegrip) - 20x25kg, 15x30, 10x35, 10x35 dropset --> 10x30 --> 10x25
Reverse seated machine press - 20x50, 15x60, 12x70 each superset with cable front raises - 15x20kg
Facepulls - 20x20, 15x26, 20x20
DB clean and press - 12x10kg/side, 12x12.5, 12x12.5 
 
Was a pretty decent workout, really like training shoulders. Finishing with the DB clean and press (1 side at time) was something new for me and a pretty good finisher for emptying the tank.
 
Also legs pulled up well from yesterday. Much better than last week. Just minor DOMS in glutes. Should be sweet for some deads and front squats tomorrow.

JK

Good session this morning. Had excellent legs recovery from Tuesday and felt real fresh this morning so heavy deads were on.
 
Warmup was just 1 min vibe, 3 sets of decline crunches and some light straight leg deads before getting in to it proper.
 
Deadlifts - 10x70kg, 10x70, 8x110, 3x140, 2x160, 1x170, 1x180, 1x190 (didnt want to get off the floor first attempt but 2nd attempt flew up and eventually locked out), 5x140
Front squats - 10x50, 10x50, 8x70, 8x70, 8x70
Reverse hypers - 12, 15, 15, 20 reps (superset with front squats)
Seated calf press - 20x220, 15x280, 15x280, 15x280
Hanging leg raises - 5 sets of 12
 
Finished with 5mins ride and a roll out.
 
Pretty happy with the session as hadnt done any proper deads for a while. Gym was really quiet too so wasnt rushed at all. Did deads in socks and chucked the knee sleeves and squat shoes on once done.

JK

Chest and arms today
 
 
Hammersmith flat chest press - 20x20kg/side, 15x35, 12x45,10x50, 10x50, 10x50 dropset --> 12x35
Incline DB flies - 20x10kg/side, 15x12.5, 10x15
Preacher curls - 12x25kg wide grip superset --> 12x25kg narrow grip, 12x30 wide --> 12x30 narrow, 12x32.5 wide --> 12x32.5 narrow
Tricep rope push downs - 20x38kg superset with 12 reps bench dips, 20x44 --> 12 dips, 20x44 --> 12dips
Cable curls (those he man style ones) - 15x20kg/side, 10x26, 12x23
Close grip bench - 10x60kg, 10x70, 10x70
Incline hammer curls - 20x10kg/side, 20x12.5, 20x12.5
Incline skullcrushers - 20x27kg, 15x32, 12x34.5, 12x34.5
Hammer cable curls - 10x38kg, 10x38, 12x38, 20x26 superset with dips - 15, 15, 15, 15 reps
 
 
Pretty good weeks training. Recovered well but still a minor niggle with a bit of tendonitis in right elbow. Warming it up well tho
 
Eating has been only OK. Off to a buffet breakfast now....

Rancid Schnitzel

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Back and shoulders but as usual.....mainly shoulders
 
Lat pulldowns (underhand grip) - 20x48kg, 15x54, 12x60, 10x66, 10x66
1 arm machine rows - 20x50, 15x60, 10x70 then 10 more but both arms X 2
Straight arm pulldowns - 20x38kg, 15x44, 15x50, 12x56
Seated DB press - 20x15kg/side, 15x17.5, 12x20, 12x22.5, 8x25 dropset --> 10x20 --> 10x15
DB lat raises - 15x7.5kg/side, 12x10, 8x12.5 dropset --> 10x7.5, 8x12.5 --> 10x7.5
BB rows (widegrip) - 20x25kg, 15x30, 10x35, 10x35 dropset --> 10x30 --> 10x25
Reverse seated machine press - 20x50, 15x60, 12x70 each superset with cable front raises - 15x20kg
Facepulls - 20x20, 15x26, 20x20
DB clean and press - 12x10kg/side, 12x12.5, 12x12.5 
 
Was a pretty decent workout, really like training shoulders. Finishing with the DB clean and press (1 side at time) was something new for me and a pretty good finisher for emptying the tank.
 
Also legs pulled up well from yesterday. Much better than last week. Just minor DOMS in glutes. Should be sweet for some deads and front squats tomorrow.
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Yeah I dig shoulders big time these days. Used to be chest or arms, but I kind of cruise through that now. Perhaps it's because you can hammer the shoulders a bit more. A typical shoulder day for me is 6 different exercises which is unthinkable for any other muscle group (except maybe legs).

The Silver Fern

JK vs BigRed