Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes
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@winger said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@nepia said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@winger said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@crucial Holland is worse
Nah, Holland is a bad coach, but the Hammettuer was crap as a coach and near enough dismantled the franchise with his crap.
Yet they won after he left. This team would need a complete rebuild
The Canes have enough talent they just haven’t put their top side out yet.
Biggest thing for me was the Canes had three guys debuting and two guys coming back from long term injuries in that starting 15. Of course we are going to be disjointed.
Holland took MP too lightly when they clearly showed they have the talent to upset anyone. He should pay the price or step aside. It really shows how amateur Super Rugby still is when someone like Holland still has a bloody job.
@canes4life said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@winger said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@nepia said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@winger said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@crucial Holland is worse
Nah, Holland is a bad coach, but the Hammettuer was crap as a coach and near enough dismantled the franchise with his crap.
Yet they won after he left. This team would need a complete rebuild
The Canes have enough talent they just haven’t put their top side out yet.
Biggest thing for me was the Canes had three guys debuting and two guys coming back from long term injuries in that starting 15. Of course we are going to be disjointed.
Holland took MP too lightly when they clearly showed they have the talent to upset anyone. He should pay the price or step aside. It really shows how amateur Super Rugby still is when someone like Holland still has a bloody job.
That’s such a poor blame. Sorry but the Chiefs put 50 on MP with 18 players unavailable.
Everyone is playing with guys still coming into the sides or debuting.
That’s just a fact of life not the coaches fault. -
@canes4life said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@winger said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@nepia said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@winger said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@crucial Holland is worse
Nah, Holland is a bad coach, but the Hammettuer was crap as a coach and near enough dismantled the franchise with his crap.
Yet they won after he left. This team would need a complete rebuild
The Canes have enough talent they just haven’t put their top side out yet.
Biggest thing for me was the Canes had three guys debuting and two guys coming back from long term injuries in that starting 15. Of course we are going to be disjointed.
Holland took MP too lightly when they clearly showed they have the talent to upset anyone. He should pay the price or step aside. It really shows how amateur Super Rugby still is when someone like Holland still has a bloody job.
That’s such a poor blame. Sorry but the Chiefs put 50 on MP with 18 players unavailable.
Everyone is playing with guys still coming into the sides or debuting.
That’s just a fact of life not the coaches fault.@crucial said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@canes4life said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@winger said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@nepia said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@winger said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@crucial Holland is worse
Nah, Holland is a bad coach, but the Hammettuer was crap as a coach and near enough dismantled the franchise with his crap.
Yet they won after he left. This team would need a complete rebuild
The Canes have enough talent they just haven’t put their top side out yet.
Biggest thing for me was the Canes had three guys debuting and two guys coming back from long term injuries in that starting 15. Of course we are going to be disjointed.
Holland took MP too lightly when they clearly showed they have the talent to upset anyone. He should pay the price or step aside. It really shows how amateur Super Rugby still is when someone like Holland still has a bloody job.
That’s such a poor blame. Sorry but the Chiefs put 50 on MP with 18 players unavailable.
Everyone is playing with guys still coming into the sides or debuting.
That’s just a fact of life not the coaches fault.Yep. Holland should resign, this is an unacceptable result, unless you accept that your team is the worst in the comp. But the canes coaching team won't, there is no accountability, just learnings. And yes men on the board
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@crucial said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@canes4life said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@winger said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@nepia said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@winger said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@crucial Holland is worse
Nah, Holland is a bad coach, but the Hammettuer was crap as a coach and near enough dismantled the franchise with his crap.
Yet they won after he left. This team would need a complete rebuild
The Canes have enough talent they just haven’t put their top side out yet.
Biggest thing for me was the Canes had three guys debuting and two guys coming back from long term injuries in that starting 15. Of course we are going to be disjointed.
Holland took MP too lightly when they clearly showed they have the talent to upset anyone. He should pay the price or step aside. It really shows how amateur Super Rugby still is when someone like Holland still has a bloody job.
That’s such a poor blame. Sorry but the Chiefs put 50 on MP with 18 players unavailable.
Everyone is playing with guys still coming into the sides or debuting.
That’s just a fact of life not the coaches fault.Yep. Holland should resign, this is an unacceptable result, unless you accept that your team is the worst in the comp. But the canes coaching team won't, there is no accountability, just learnings. And yes men on the board
@machpants said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@crucial said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@canes4life said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@winger said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@nepia said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@winger said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@crucial Holland is worse
Nah, Holland is a bad coach, but the Hammettuer was crap as a coach and near enough dismantled the franchise with his crap.
Yet they won after he left. This team would need a complete rebuild
The Canes have enough talent they just haven’t put their top side out yet.
Biggest thing for me was the Canes had three guys debuting and two guys coming back from long term injuries in that starting 15. Of course we are going to be disjointed.
Holland took MP too lightly when they clearly showed they have the talent to upset anyone. He should pay the price or step aside. It really shows how amateur Super Rugby still is when someone like Holland still has a bloody job.
That’s such a poor blame. Sorry but the Chiefs put 50 on MP with 18 players unavailable.
Everyone is playing with guys still coming into the sides or debuting.
That’s just a fact of life not the coaches fault.Yep. Holland should resign, this is an unacceptable result, unless you accept that your team is the worst in the comp. But the canes coaching team won't, there is no accountability, just learnings. And yes men on the board
I don’t disagree that the coach needs to take some blame. Just that blaming him for selecting who he did is misdirected. A Canes second XV should be able to win given the pool they select from.
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How many NZ SR coaches have resigned because of bad results, since SR started? Can't see it happening.
@stargazer said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
How many NZ SR coaches have resigned because of bad results, since SR started? Can't see it happening.
Jed Rowlands.
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How many NZ SR coaches have resigned because of bad results, since SR started? Can't see it happening.
@stargazer said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
How many NZ SR coaches have resigned because of bad results, since SR started? Can't see it happening.
Agree . And canes board set the bar so low. Holland should have already been fired last year
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Liked the impact of McRobbie again for MP. Can't figure why he does not start. They do need Visinia at fullback too. Otherwise they have a good 15 forming.
Canes props were a bit lightweight tonite. Numia got pushed all over the place and Fidow and Mafileo seemed casual. In contrast MP loosies were great though. All 4 were very physical. But I saw much less of Canes loosies -
@stargazer said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
How many NZ SR coaches have resigned because of bad results, since SR started? Can't see it happening.
Jed Rowlands.
@crucial said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@stargazer said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
How many NZ SR coaches have resigned because of bad results, since SR started? Can't see it happening.
Jed Rowlands.
Was it results? I thought it was player revolt?
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Liked the impact of McRobbie again for MP. Can't figure why he does not start. They do need Visinia at fullback too. Otherwise they have a good 15 forming.
Canes props were a bit lightweight tonite. Numia got pushed all over the place and Fidow and Mafileo seemed casual. In contrast MP loosies were great though. All 4 were very physical. But I saw much less of Canes loosies -
@arhs said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
Canes props were a bit lightweight tonite. Numia got pushed all over the place and Fidow and Mafileo seemed casual.
You've got to wonder at the rationale of using Fidow at LH when Mafileo can play there.
@bovidae said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@arhs said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
Canes props were a bit lightweight tonite. Numia got pushed all over the place and Fidow and Mafileo seemed casual.
You've got to wonder at the rationale of using Fidow at LH when Mafileo can play there.
They have decided to play each this side this year to start
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@machpants said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@crucial said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@canes4life said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@winger said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@nepia said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@winger said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@crucial Holland is worse
Nah, Holland is a bad coach, but the Hammettuer was crap as a coach and near enough dismantled the franchise with his crap.
Yet they won after he left. This team would need a complete rebuild
The Canes have enough talent they just haven’t put their top side out yet.
Biggest thing for me was the Canes had three guys debuting and two guys coming back from long term injuries in that starting 15. Of course we are going to be disjointed.
Holland took MP too lightly when they clearly showed they have the talent to upset anyone. He should pay the price or step aside. It really shows how amateur Super Rugby still is when someone like Holland still has a bloody job.
That’s such a poor blame. Sorry but the Chiefs put 50 on MP with 18 players unavailable.
Everyone is playing with guys still coming into the sides or debuting.
That’s just a fact of life not the coaches fault.Yep. Holland should resign, this is an unacceptable result, unless you accept that your team is the worst in the comp. But the canes coaching team won't, there is no accountability, just learnings. And yes men on the board
I don’t disagree that the coach needs to take some blame. Just that blaming him for selecting who he did is misdirected. A Canes second XV should be able to win given the pool they select from.
@crucial said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@machpants said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@crucial said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@canes4life said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@winger said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@nepia said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@winger said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
@crucial Holland is worse
Nah, Holland is a bad coach, but the Hammettuer was crap as a coach and near enough dismantled the franchise with his crap.
Yet they won after he left. This team would need a complete rebuild
The Canes have enough talent they just haven’t put their top side out yet.
Biggest thing for me was the Canes had three guys debuting and two guys coming back from long term injuries in that starting 15. Of course we are going to be disjointed.
Holland took MP too lightly when they clearly showed they have the talent to upset anyone. He should pay the price or step aside. It really shows how amateur Super Rugby still is when someone like Holland still has a bloody job.
That’s such a poor blame. Sorry but the Chiefs put 50 on MP with 18 players unavailable.
Everyone is playing with guys still coming into the sides or debuting.
That’s just a fact of life not the coaches fault.Yep. Holland should resign, this is an unacceptable result, unless you accept that your team is the worst in the comp. But the canes coaching team won't, there is no accountability, just learnings. And yes men on the board
I don’t disagree that the coach needs to take some blame. Just that blaming him for selecting who he did is misdirected. A Canes second XV should be able to win given the pool they select from.
If you are referring to players from Hawkes Bay, then most of them now at the MP were not even selected in the Hurricanes Development/B Squad or whatever the Wider Training Group is called nowadays.
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@stargazer said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
I'm impressed that McRobbie was able to be right there in support. Some good speed(and effort) for a lock.
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@stargazer said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
Look at the positioning of black numbers 20 and especially 4 in their efforts to provide protection for the ball carrier, who looks to be one of Holland/Larsen's pets in the black 10 jersey. What the hell was black 4 trying to achieve must be something out of a new coaching manual.
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@stargazer said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
Look at the positioning of black numbers 20 and especially 4 in their efforts to provide protection for the ball carrier, who looks to be one of Holland/Larsen's pets in the black 10 jersey. What the hell was black 4 trying to achieve must be something out of a new coaching manual.
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In the same way that many NZ players failed to develop their drop kicking game I really hope that the tackling technique isn't addressed.
Wales may have a chance to beat the ABs in the Autumn with 13 men on the park.
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@arhs said in Moana Pasifika vs Hurricanes:
PUJ And Moorby pushed their case for a start moving forward. Not all gloom for Canes.
I don't mind PUJ and would like to see him with more game time, but I was disappointed with him in the lead up to the Morgan no try. The defender was starting to drift off PUJ and the inside tackler was a forward who was already getting left behind. He should have held off passing to his winger a fraction longer to see if the old 'show and go' was a better option.
Hopefully it was a once off. Centres need to nail these things.
