SF Crusaders v Chiefs
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A bit more about the Chiefs selections:
Emoni Narawa has been ill all week, which sees Josh Ioane promoted to take his place at fullback, and Chase Tiatia come onto the bench, while former All Blacks prop Atu Moli makes way for George Dyer, who will earn an eighth appearance on the pine in what McMillan labelled “a bit of a hunch” selection.
All Blacks lock Josh Lord is still sidelined by a knee injury, but should be available next week should the Chiefs make the final.
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@FakatavaFuture said in SF Crusaders v Chiefs:
@Chris If Jager was selected would he be the most recent foreign AB since Steve Devine? (excluding PI nations)
If you are just talking about foreign born outside of PI then Akira Ioane as he was born in Japan,Or Tyrel Lomax born in Australia
@Chris said in SF Crusaders v Chiefs:
@FakatavaFuture said in SF Crusaders v Chiefs:
@Chris If Jager was selected would he be the most recent foreign AB since Steve Devine? (excluding PI nations)
If you are just talking about foreign born outside of PI then Akira Ioane as he was born in Japan,Or Tyrel Lomax born in Australia
Finlay Christie debuted after Akira
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@Chris said in SF Crusaders v Chiefs:
@FakatavaFuture said in SF Crusaders v Chiefs:
@Chris If Jager was selected would he be the most recent foreign AB since Steve Devine? (excluding PI nations)
If you are just talking about foreign born outside of PI then Akira Ioane as he was born in Japan,Or Tyrel Lomax born in Australia
Finlay Christie debuted after Akira
@Nevorian said in SF Crusaders v Chiefs:
@Chris said in SF Crusaders v Chiefs:
@FakatavaFuture said in SF Crusaders v Chiefs:
@Chris If Jager was selected would he be the most recent foreign AB since Steve Devine? (excluding PI nations)
If you are just talking about foreign born outside of PI then Akira Ioane as he was born in Japan,Or Tyrel Lomax born in Australia
Finlay Christie debuted after Akira
Yes you are right
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@Chris said in SF Crusaders v Chiefs:
@FakatavaFuture said in SF Crusaders v Chiefs:
@Chris If Jager was selected would he be the most recent foreign AB since Steve Devine? (excluding PI nations)
If you are just talking about foreign born outside of PI then Akira Ioane as he was born in Japan,Or Tyrel Lomax born in Australia
Finlay Christie debuted after Akira
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@Tim said in SF Crusaders v Chiefs:
@Nevorian So Samisoni Taukei'aho is the most recent foreign born AB.
So Taukei'aho the last foreign born.
Frizzell the last born overseas and turned up as an adult.
Rawlinson last the born overseas and turned up as an adult not from the PIs.Do we have any other categories?
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@Tim said in SF Crusaders v Chiefs:
@Nevorian So Samisoni Taukei'aho is the most recent foreign born AB.
So Taukei'aho the last foreign born.
Frizzell the last born overseas and turned up as an adult.
Rawlinson last the born overseas and turned up as an adult not from the PIs.Do we have any other categories?
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@Nepia said in SF Crusaders v Chiefs:
So Taukei'aho the last foreign born.
Was still a poach. Recruited after touring NZ as captain of Tonga U15.
@Tim said in SF Crusaders v Chiefs:
@Nepia said in SF Crusaders v Chiefs:
So Taukei'aho the last foreign born.
Was still a poach. Recruited after touring NZ as captain of Tonga U15.
Yeah, wasn't claiming he wasn't, just differentiating from the adult arrivers - Fakatava will likely be our next one (schoolboy not adult).
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@Chris said in SF Crusaders v Chiefs:
@FakatavaFuture said in SF Crusaders v Chiefs:
@Chris If Jager was selected would he be the most recent foreign AB since Steve Devine? (excluding PI nations)
If you are just talking about foreign born outside of PI then Akira Ioane as he was born in Japan,Or Tyrel Lomax born in Australia
Finlay Christie debuted after Akira
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@Nevorian have now learned Christie was born in Scotland, the name Finlay should've been a giveaway!
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@chimoaus said in SF Crusaders v Chiefs:
Why is Cane on the bench?
in a short turnaround week where Monday was low key and Wednesday was his only real option to fully test the knee out. That schedule was partially what led to him being named on the bench, along with the form of the starting loose trio from the past two weeks – Samipeni Finau, Luke Jacobson and Pita Gus Sowakula. Chiefs coach Clayton McMillan has refused to rush Sam Cane back into the starting lineup. “Clayton had a good discussion and explained his thinking and the logic,” Cane said. “It wouldn’t have been right from a team’s point of view if I was named to start and then have to pull out and cause a reshuffle. “So it gave everyone the best chance to prepare and play well. It just made sense. And I’m excited about coming off the pine and hopefully adding something.” -
@chimoaus said in SF Crusaders v Chiefs:
Why is Cane on the bench?
in a short turnaround week where Monday was low key and Wednesday was his only real option to fully test the knee out. That schedule was partially what led to him being named on the bench, along with the form of the starting loose trio from the past two weeks – Samipeni Finau, Luke Jacobson and Pita Gus Sowakula. Chiefs coach Clayton McMillan has refused to rush Sam Cane back into the starting lineup. “Clayton had a good discussion and explained his thinking and the logic,” Cane said. “It wouldn’t have been right from a team’s point of view if I was named to start and then have to pull out and cause a reshuffle. “So it gave everyone the best chance to prepare and play well. It just made sense. And I’m excited about coming off the pine and hopefully adding something.”@Duluth said in SF Crusaders v Chiefs:
@chimoaus said in SF Crusaders v Chiefs:
Why is Cane on the bench?
in a short turnaround week where Monday was low key and Wednesday was his only real option to fully test the knee out. That schedule was partially what led to him being named on the bench, along with the form of the starting loose trio from the past two weeks – Samipeni Finau, Luke Jacobson and Pita Gus Sowakula. Chiefs coach Clayton McMillan has refused to rush Sam Cane back into the starting lineup. “Clayton had a good discussion and explained his thinking and the logic,” Cane said. “It wouldn’t have been right from a team’s point of view if I was named to start and then have to pull out and cause a reshuffle. “So it gave everyone the best chance to prepare and play well. It just made sense. And I’m excited about coming off the pine and hopefully adding something.”This bit is weird..
“Directly in the side and sort of targeting lower limbs – we’ve seen in league anything round those areas have been ruled out.
“The refs told me there’s nothing they can rule on, it’s not classed as foul play so the TMO can’t interfere."
But in the WR Global Law trials....
Welfare-focused breakdown law amendments approved for global trial
Sanctioning the lower limb clear-out: Penalising players who target/drop their weight onto the lower limbs of a jackler – the sanction will be a penalty kick.
Has this one been removed or something? It sits alongside the pre-latching/pre-bound pods of three or more which is still in effect.
EDIT: It was actually added to the Laws effective 1 July 2022 but I don't know if the trial has finished and it is currently in play
Also, it seems that it has been added as a penalisable breakdown law rather than foul play (which I guess it what they are saying above)
Doesn't mean that it couldn't have been looked at as a penalty offence in the lead up to a try though.
Very odd that player welfare based laws aren't put into the foul play category though. Means that two phases later and a career ending piece of illegal play can't be looked at. -
@Duluth said in SF Crusaders v Chiefs:
@chimoaus said in SF Crusaders v Chiefs:
Why is Cane on the bench?
in a short turnaround week where Monday was low key and Wednesday was his only real option to fully test the knee out. That schedule was partially what led to him being named on the bench, along with the form of the starting loose trio from the past two weeks – Samipeni Finau, Luke Jacobson and Pita Gus Sowakula. Chiefs coach Clayton McMillan has refused to rush Sam Cane back into the starting lineup. “Clayton had a good discussion and explained his thinking and the logic,” Cane said. “It wouldn’t have been right from a team’s point of view if I was named to start and then have to pull out and cause a reshuffle. “So it gave everyone the best chance to prepare and play well. It just made sense. And I’m excited about coming off the pine and hopefully adding something.”This bit is weird..
“Directly in the side and sort of targeting lower limbs – we’ve seen in league anything round those areas have been ruled out.
“The refs told me there’s nothing they can rule on, it’s not classed as foul play so the TMO can’t interfere."
But in the WR Global Law trials....
Welfare-focused breakdown law amendments approved for global trial
Sanctioning the lower limb clear-out: Penalising players who target/drop their weight onto the lower limbs of a jackler – the sanction will be a penalty kick.
Has this one been removed or something? It sits alongside the pre-latching/pre-bound pods of three or more which is still in effect.
EDIT: It was actually added to the Laws effective 1 July 2022 but I don't know if the trial has finished and it is currently in play
Also, it seems that it has been added as a penalisable breakdown law rather than foul play (which I guess it what they are saying above)
Doesn't mean that it couldn't have been looked at as a penalty offence in the lead up to a try though.
Very odd that player welfare based laws aren't put into the foul play category though. Means that two phases later and a career ending piece of illegal play can't be looked at.@Crucial said in SF Crusaders v Chiefs:
@Duluth said in SF Crusaders v Chiefs:
@chimoaus said in SF Crusaders v Chiefs:
Why is Cane on the bench?
in a short turnaround week where Monday was low key and Wednesday was his only real option to fully test the knee out. That schedule was partially what led to him being named on the bench, along with the form of the starting loose trio from the past two weeks – Samipeni Finau, Luke Jacobson and Pita Gus Sowakula. Chiefs coach Clayton McMillan has refused to rush Sam Cane back into the starting lineup. “Clayton had a good discussion and explained his thinking and the logic,” Cane said. “It wouldn’t have been right from a team’s point of view if I was named to start and then have to pull out and cause a reshuffle. “So it gave everyone the best chance to prepare and play well. It just made sense. And I’m excited about coming off the pine and hopefully adding something.”This bit is weird..
“Directly in the side and sort of targeting lower limbs – we’ve seen in league anything round those areas have been ruled out.
“The refs told me there’s nothing they can rule on, it’s not classed as foul play so the TMO can’t interfere."
But in the WR Global Law trials....
Welfare-focused breakdown law amendments approved for global trial
Sanctioning the lower limb clear-out: Penalising players who target/drop their weight onto the lower limbs of a jackler – the sanction will be a penalty kick.
Has this one been removed or something? It sits alongside the pre-latching/pre-bound pods of three or more which is still in effect.
No the ref was wrong. It was foul play, those trials are now law, and should have been a penalty. But it is not a card so nothing they can do after the match.
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@Crucial said in SF Crusaders v Chiefs:
@Duluth said in SF Crusaders v Chiefs:
@chimoaus said in SF Crusaders v Chiefs:
Why is Cane on the bench?
in a short turnaround week where Monday was low key and Wednesday was his only real option to fully test the knee out. That schedule was partially what led to him being named on the bench, along with the form of the starting loose trio from the past two weeks – Samipeni Finau, Luke Jacobson and Pita Gus Sowakula. Chiefs coach Clayton McMillan has refused to rush Sam Cane back into the starting lineup. “Clayton had a good discussion and explained his thinking and the logic,” Cane said. “It wouldn’t have been right from a team’s point of view if I was named to start and then have to pull out and cause a reshuffle. “So it gave everyone the best chance to prepare and play well. It just made sense. And I’m excited about coming off the pine and hopefully adding something.”This bit is weird..
“Directly in the side and sort of targeting lower limbs – we’ve seen in league anything round those areas have been ruled out.
“The refs told me there’s nothing they can rule on, it’s not classed as foul play so the TMO can’t interfere."
But in the WR Global Law trials....
Welfare-focused breakdown law amendments approved for global trial
Sanctioning the lower limb clear-out: Penalising players who target/drop their weight onto the lower limbs of a jackler – the sanction will be a penalty kick.
Has this one been removed or something? It sits alongside the pre-latching/pre-bound pods of three or more which is still in effect.
No the ref was wrong. It was foul play, those trials are now law, and should have been a penalty. But it is not a card so nothing they can do after the match.
@Machpants said in SF Crusaders v Chiefs:
@Crucial said in SF Crusaders v Chiefs:
@Duluth said in SF Crusaders v Chiefs:
@chimoaus said in SF Crusaders v Chiefs:
Why is Cane on the bench?
in a short turnaround week where Monday was low key and Wednesday was his only real option to fully test the knee out. That schedule was partially what led to him being named on the bench, along with the form of the starting loose trio from the past two weeks – Samipeni Finau, Luke Jacobson and Pita Gus Sowakula. Chiefs coach Clayton McMillan has refused to rush Sam Cane back into the starting lineup. “Clayton had a good discussion and explained his thinking and the logic,” Cane said. “It wouldn’t have been right from a team’s point of view if I was named to start and then have to pull out and cause a reshuffle. “So it gave everyone the best chance to prepare and play well. It just made sense. And I’m excited about coming off the pine and hopefully adding something.”This bit is weird..
“Directly in the side and sort of targeting lower limbs – we’ve seen in league anything round those areas have been ruled out.
“The refs told me there’s nothing they can rule on, it’s not classed as foul play so the TMO can’t interfere."
But in the WR Global Law trials....
Welfare-focused breakdown law amendments approved for global trial
Sanctioning the lower limb clear-out: Penalising players who target/drop their weight onto the lower limbs of a jackler – the sanction will be a penalty kick.
Has this one been removed or something? It sits alongside the pre-latching/pre-bound pods of three or more which is still in effect.
No the ref was wrong. It was foul play, those trials are now law, and should have been a penalty. But it is not a card so nothing they can do after the match.
See edit above. I don't think it has been classed as foul play
EDIT again: I was wrong based on the trial introduction.
It has been added as 9.20 D which is in the foul play section.So why are the refs telling him otherwise? Is that because it is currently still the trial law being applied (which isn't 'foul play')?
I just think they didn't see it at the time and like you say, if it isn't at a RC level there's nothing that can be done.
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@Machpants said in SF Crusaders v Chiefs:
@Crucial said in SF Crusaders v Chiefs:
@Duluth said in SF Crusaders v Chiefs:
@chimoaus said in SF Crusaders v Chiefs:
Why is Cane on the bench?
in a short turnaround week where Monday was low key and Wednesday was his only real option to fully test the knee out. That schedule was partially what led to him being named on the bench, along with the form of the starting loose trio from the past two weeks – Samipeni Finau, Luke Jacobson and Pita Gus Sowakula. Chiefs coach Clayton McMillan has refused to rush Sam Cane back into the starting lineup. “Clayton had a good discussion and explained his thinking and the logic,” Cane said. “It wouldn’t have been right from a team’s point of view if I was named to start and then have to pull out and cause a reshuffle. “So it gave everyone the best chance to prepare and play well. It just made sense. And I’m excited about coming off the pine and hopefully adding something.”This bit is weird..
“Directly in the side and sort of targeting lower limbs – we’ve seen in league anything round those areas have been ruled out.
“The refs told me there’s nothing they can rule on, it’s not classed as foul play so the TMO can’t interfere."
But in the WR Global Law trials....
Welfare-focused breakdown law amendments approved for global trial
Sanctioning the lower limb clear-out: Penalising players who target/drop their weight onto the lower limbs of a jackler – the sanction will be a penalty kick.
Has this one been removed or something? It sits alongside the pre-latching/pre-bound pods of three or more which is still in effect.
No the ref was wrong. It was foul play, those trials are now law, and should have been a penalty. But it is not a card so nothing they can do after the match.
See edit above. I don't think it has been classed as foul play
EDIT again: I was wrong based on the trial introduction.
It has been added as 9.20 D which is in the foul play section.So why are the refs telling him otherwise? Is that because it is currently still the trial law being applied (which isn't 'foul play')?
I just think they didn't see it at the time and like you say, if it isn't at a RC level there's nothing that can be done.
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@Machpants said in SF Crusaders v Chiefs:
@Crucial I guess the refs are just wrong, they make mistakes, and forgot this law
The quote implies that they knew the law but as it was more than two phases back and isn't classed as foul play (until 1 July) they couldn't go back.
Obviously all fixed on 1 July but until then it is a 'breakdown infringement only'
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This semi should be a ripper to watch.
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@Bovidae said in SF Crusaders v Chiefs:
If Barrett is whinging all game I will be happy.
You do know he has still whinged when we’ve been up by 20…
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@Crucial said in SF Crusaders v Chiefs:
@Duluth said in SF Crusaders v Chiefs:
@chimoaus said in SF Crusaders v Chiefs:
Why is Cane on the bench?
in a short turnaround week where Monday was low key and Wednesday was his only real option to fully test the knee out. That schedule was partially what led to him being named on the bench, along with the form of the starting loose trio from the past two weeks – Samipeni Finau, Luke Jacobson and Pita Gus Sowakula. Chiefs coach Clayton McMillan has refused to rush Sam Cane back into the starting lineup. “Clayton had a good discussion and explained his thinking and the logic,” Cane said. “It wouldn’t have been right from a team’s point of view if I was named to start and then have to pull out and cause a reshuffle. “So it gave everyone the best chance to prepare and play well. It just made sense. And I’m excited about coming off the pine and hopefully adding something.”This bit is weird..
“Directly in the side and sort of targeting lower limbs – we’ve seen in league anything round those areas have been ruled out.
“The refs told me there’s nothing they can rule on, it’s not classed as foul play so the TMO can’t interfere."
But in the WR Global Law trials....
Welfare-focused breakdown law amendments approved for global trial
Sanctioning the lower limb clear-out: Penalising players who target/drop their weight onto the lower limbs of a jackler – the sanction will be a penalty kick.
Has this one been removed or something? It sits alongside the pre-latching/pre-bound pods of three or more which is still in effect.
No the ref was wrong. It was foul play, those trials are now law, and should have been a penalty. But it is not a card so nothing they can do after the match.
@Machpants said in SF Crusaders v Chiefs:
@Crucial said in SF Crusaders v Chiefs:
@Duluth said in SF Crusaders v Chiefs:
@chimoaus said in SF Crusaders v Chiefs:
Why is Cane on the bench?
in a short turnaround week where Monday was low key and Wednesday was his only real option to fully test the knee out. That schedule was partially what led to him being named on the bench, along with the form of the starting loose trio from the past two weeks – Samipeni Finau, Luke Jacobson and Pita Gus Sowakula. Chiefs coach Clayton McMillan has refused to rush Sam Cane back into the starting lineup. “Clayton had a good discussion and explained his thinking and the logic,” Cane said. “It wouldn’t have been right from a team’s point of view if I was named to start and then have to pull out and cause a reshuffle. “So it gave everyone the best chance to prepare and play well. It just made sense. And I’m excited about coming off the pine and hopefully adding something.”This bit is weird..
“Directly in the side and sort of targeting lower limbs – we’ve seen in league anything round those areas have been ruled out.
“The refs told me there’s nothing they can rule on, it’s not classed as foul play so the TMO can’t interfere."
But in the WR Global Law trials....
Welfare-focused breakdown law amendments approved for global trial
Sanctioning the lower limb clear-out: Penalising players who target/drop their weight onto the lower limbs of a jackler – the sanction will be a penalty kick.
Has this one been removed or something? It sits alongside the pre-latching/pre-bound pods of three or more which is still in effect.
No the ref was wrong. It was foul play, those trials are now law, and should have been a penalty. But it is not a card so nothing they can do after the match.
Actually I believe the lower limb cleanout etc don't become law until Juy 1st. Though I still think the player came in from side anyway and it was a cheap shit shot! And that's when it becomes a trial.
