Final: Blues vs Crusaders
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@broughie said in Final: Blues vs Crusaders:
@ACT-Crusader The problem is that the Crusaders a very disciplined. Can the blues sustain the pressure in the forwards without panicking.
Are they disciplined though? I guess it depends on what aspects of the game you are basing it on, but judging by penalties/cards they aren't overly.
Or are you basing it on sticking to game plans, defensive patterns etc?
@Crazy-Horse I don't know how they compare to the Crusaders as far as discipline (matera copped 2 last week). I think more game plan. Can they stay in the forwards and dominate there. This is where games are pretty much won. Can they stick with it whether the progress is minimal and wear out the Crusaders. Instead of shuffling it to the backs when they don't know what else to do. Patience is the key. The Chiefs really dominated the Crusaders but at key moments coughed up the ball. Play off ball. Have to have patience. Does this make sense?
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@Crazy-Horse I don't know how they compare to the Crusaders as far as discipline (matera copped 2 last week). I think more game plan. Can they stay in the forwards and dominate there. This is where games are pretty much won. Can they stick with it whether the progress is minimal and wear out the Crusaders. Instead of shuffling it to the backs when they don't know what else to do. Patience is the key. The Chiefs really dominated the Crusaders but at key moments coughed up the ball. Play off ball. Have to have patience. Does this make sense?
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@broughie sorry, if I had read your original post properly I would have realised what you meant without you needing to elaborate.
@Crazy-Horse probably not. When I’ve had too much whiskey/scotch I can see where it would be hard to figure out what I’m saying
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@Chris-B I’m a Nelsonian and always despised Cantabrians. But a appreciate their discipline and mental fortitude. I’m hoping the blues win though.
@broughie said in Final: Blues vs Crusaders:
@Chris-B I’m a Nelsonian and always despised Cantabrians. But a appreciate their discipline and mental fortitude. I’m hoping the blues win though.
I don't know that I knew that!
Long time between drinks for the Blues fans here - but, they've got to earn it!!!
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@broughie said in Final: Blues vs Crusaders:
@Chris-B I’m a Nelsonian and always despised Cantabrians. But a appreciate their discipline and mental fortitude. I’m hoping the blues win though.
I don't know that I knew that!
Long time between drinks for the Blues fans here - but, they've got to earn it!!!
@Chris-B I totally agree. I think the crusaders are the favorites and the blues have to earn it. You are right They still might be a step away despite the influences of McDonald.
When I came back to New Zealand the blues were at the peak with Dalton, McDowell and Brown and Wheaton and the list goes on. Ta$man and the Crusaders had not been associated at that time so I supported the blues. Nelson had nothing to offer as far as rugby.
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@Chris-B I totally agree. I think the crusaders are the favorites and the blues have to earn it. You are right They still might be a step away despite the influences of McDonald.
When I came back to New Zealand the blues were at the peak with Dalton, McDowell and Brown and Wheaton and the list goes on. Ta$man and the Crusaders had not been associated at that time so I supported the blues. Nelson had nothing to offer as far as rugby.
@broughie said in Final: Blues vs Crusaders:
Nelson had nothing to offer as far as rugby
still don't
oh, except a cheque book i guess
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@broughie said in Final: Blues vs Crusaders:
Nelson had nothing to offer as far as rugby
still don't
oh, except a cheque book i guess
@mariner4life that makes the world go round right?
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@Chris-B I totally agree. I think the crusaders are the favorites and the blues have to earn it. You are right They still might be a step away despite the influences of McDonald.
When I came back to New Zealand the blues were at the peak with Dalton, McDowell and Brown and Wheaton and the list goes on. Ta$man and the Crusaders had not been associated at that time so I supported the blues. Nelson had nothing to offer as far as rugby.
@broughie Actually, I'm meaning the fans here have to earn it. There will be one set of fans approaching this game with a great deal more trepidation than the other!!!
Yeah - remarkable thing about Nelson rugby - there was virtually no links between Nelson and the All Blacks for 30 years - between Trevor Morris and Terry Mitchell - through to Todd Blackadder and Rico Gear. And look at us now....
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@broughie said in Final: Blues vs Crusaders:
Nelson had nothing to offer as far as rugby
still don't
oh, except a cheque book i guess
@mariner4life said in Final: Blues vs Crusaders:
@broughie said in Final: Blues vs Crusaders:
Nelson had nothing to offer as far as rugby
still don't
oh, except a cheque book i guess
Hey, if it weren't for the rise of Ta$man NZ rugby would be in the second tier.
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@broughie Actually, I'm meaning the fans here have to earn it. There will be one set of fans approaching this game with a great deal more trepidation than the other!!!
Yeah - remarkable thing about Nelson rugby - there was virtually no links between Nelson and the All Blacks for 30 years - between Trevor Morris and Terry Mitchell - through to Todd Blackadder and Rico Gear. And look at us now....
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@broughie Actually, I'm meaning the fans here have to earn it. There will be one set of fans approaching this game with a great deal more trepidation than the other!!!
Yeah - remarkable thing about Nelson rugby - there was virtually no links between Nelson and the All Blacks for 30 years - between Trevor Morris and Terry Mitchell - through to Todd Blackadder and Rico Gear. And look at us now....
@Chris-B the fans and the players have to earn it.
Yes after not watching rugby from then 90’s through maybe 2010 I was shocked to see the performance of
Ta$man. When I played, sabbatical from soccer, Murray West was the captain, they would lose to the West Coast and Buller. Marlbaorough would clean their clocks. Nelson United was the game
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@mariner4life said in Final: Blues vs Crusaders:
@broughie said in Final: Blues vs Crusaders:
Nelson had nothing to offer as far as rugby
still don't
oh, except a cheque book i guess
Hey, if it weren't for the rise of Ta$man NZ rugby would be in the second tier.
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@broughie said in Final: Blues vs Crusaders:
Nelson had nothing to offer as far as rugby
still don't
oh, except a cheque book i guess
@mariner4life said in Final: Blues vs Crusaders:
@broughie said in Final: Blues vs Crusaders:
Nelson had nothing to offer as far as rugby
still don't
oh, except a cheque book i guess
And history- first recorded game of rugby played in NZ in 1870
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@mariner4life That's how thin the links were.
There weren't even people born in Nelson going to play elsewhere and making the ABs (like Mitchell). There were a tiny handful who went and played for other, bigger provinces (e.g. Allan Prince, Kyle Byers) - and Will Dempster!!!
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@mariner4life said in Final: Blues vs Crusaders:
@broughie said in Final: Blues vs Crusaders:
Nelson had nothing to offer as far as rugby
still don't
oh, except a cheque book i guess
And history- first recorded game of rugby played in NZ in 1870
@Nevorian said in Final: Blues vs Crusaders:
@mariner4life said in Final: Blues vs Crusaders:
@broughie said in Final: Blues vs Crusaders:
Nelson had nothing to offer as far as rugby
still don't
oh, except a cheque book i guess
And history- first recorded game of rugby played in NZ in 1870
Yeah - we invented rugby in NZ.
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@mariner4life That's how thin the links were.
There weren't even people born in Nelson going to play elsewhere and making the ABs (like Mitchell). There were a tiny handful who went and played for other, bigger provinces (e.g. Allan Prince, Kyle Byers) - and Will Dempster!!!
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@Chris-B Will Dempter?!!!! I had to tackle that monster a full steam. Ended up on my ass but did not embarrass myself.
LOL. Used to play indoor soccer against the Dempter family. They were a horde.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Final: Blues vs Crusaders:
@Duluth said in Final: Blues vs Crusaders:
@mariner4life said in Final: Blues vs Crusaders:
For these Blues boys it's all new
It's not quite the same but the Blues played a final last year in front of ~32k and the game was relatively tight. There was plenty of pressure in that moment
When was the last time the Crusaders played an away final? 2017 in SA I think?
Blues definitely favourites with these facts.
The home team has won the past 22 play-off games in Super rugby. You have to go back to 2017 to find an away winner.
It's barely worth staying up for!
@Chris-B said in Final: Blues vs Crusaders:
The home team has won the past 22 play-off games in Super rugby. You have to go back to 2017 to find an away winner.
The Highlanders beating the Hurricanes in 2015 has been the exception for NZ teams in finals in the 2000s.
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@broughie Seemed to be a regular for the South Island and I think played a few AB trials, but never quite cracked the ABs.
