All Blacks XV v Barbarians
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Machpants That's not an answer to my question to @Bovidae. And see my post above about the scheduling.
There are no free weekends when the Prem and Top 14 aren't playing, so baa Baas have to get employers permission to play. Or am i miss understanding your question? Edit: I was talking about all good players, you were on NZ sorry, my misunderstanding.
Edit: do players even need permission from NZR if they're not playing for the ABs/ABXV?
Edit 2: The best NZ players are in the ABs/ABXV; maybe Razor didn't want any of the remaining players for the Baabaass
Yes players are still employed by NZR and need their permission. It will take away a rest week, impacting next season. Same with Oz, SA etc.
So the players have to get permission, NH +SA will miss a domestic game, NZ, Au will miss a rest week, impacting SR next year
@Machpants This was what my question was about:
And given the circumstances I wouldn't want to help the Barbarians.
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Machpants That's not an answer to my question to @Bovidae. And see my post above about the scheduling.
There are no free weekends when the Prem and Top 14 aren't playing, so baa Baas have to get employers permission to play. Or am i miss understanding your question? Edit: I was talking about all good players, you were on NZ sorry, my misunderstanding.
Edit: do players even need permission from NZR if they're not playing for the ABs/ABXV?
Edit 2: The best NZ players are in the ABs/ABXV; maybe Razor didn't want any of the remaining players for the Baabaass
Yes players are still employed by NZR and need their permission. It will take away a rest week, impacting next season. Same with Oz, SA etc.
So the players have to get permission, NH +SA will miss a domestic game, NZ, Au will miss a rest week, impacting SR next year
@Machpants said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
So the players have to get permission, NH +SA will miss a domestic game, NZ, Au will miss a rest week, impacting SR next year
Baabaas players never missed a rest week. They arrived a week later for preseason and that was never a problem.
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Bovidae Why not? What circumstances?
Robertson was offered the AB XV job wasn't he? If I was NZR, I wouldn't be giving his team NZ players.
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Bovidae Why not? What circumstances?
Robertson was offered the AB XV job wasn't he? If I was NZR, I wouldn't be giving his team NZ players.
@Bovidae Not sure he was offered the XV job; wasn't that just speculation?
Even if it was, I don't see why NZR wouldn't allow NZ players to play for the Baabaas and deny them the opportunity. Would be pretty pathetic. You'd think that NZR would welcome the opportunity for players to earn some extra income as that's what keeps them in NZ (longer).
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Bovidae Why not? What circumstances?
Robertson was offered the AB XV job wasn't he? If I was NZR, I wouldn't be giving his team NZ players.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Bovidae Why not? What circumstances?
Robertson was offered the AB XV job wasn't he? If I was NZR, I wouldn't be giving his team NZ players.
I'd hope the NZR wouldn't be that petty.
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@Bovidae Not sure he was offered the XV job; wasn't that just speculation?
Even if it was, I don't see why NZR wouldn't allow NZ players to play for the Baabaas and deny them the opportunity. Would be pretty pathetic. You'd think that NZR would welcome the opportunity for players to earn some extra income as that's what keeps them in NZ (longer).
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@Stargazer As of yet there are no non-touring Aust, Arg or SA players either, so probably not a priority for any of the SANZAAR teams.
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https://twitter.com/Barbarian_FC/status/1588533145993121792
Text on their instagram account:
PLAYER NEWS
️ He’s playing against us for @allblacksxv at @tottenhamhotspurstadium before joining us for the rest of tour 
Excited to see how he goes against us in the #KillikCup… Well, but not TOO well hopefully
It’s the effervescent and high quality flier Damian McKenzie
#Baabaas #rugby #KillikCupSo much for the "NZR refusing to release players" speculation. :beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Bovidae Why not? What circumstances?
Robertson was offered the AB XV job wasn't he? If I was NZR, I wouldn't be giving his team NZ players.
I'd hope the NZR wouldn't be that petty.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Bovidae Why not? What circumstances?
Robertson was offered the AB XV job wasn't he? If I was NZR, I wouldn't be giving his team NZ players.
I'd hope the NZR wouldn't be that petty.
I think that Razor had a team full of Cantabs in mind and then Ryan went and picked them all for the ABs and XV.
Either way we can blame a Cantab.
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https://twitter.com/Barbarian_FC/status/1588533145993121792
Text on their instagram account:
PLAYER NEWS
️ He’s playing against us for @allblacksxv at @tottenhamhotspurstadium before joining us for the rest of tour
Excited to see how he goes against us in the #KillikCup… Well, but not TOO well hopefully
It’s the effervescent and high quality flier Damian McKenzie
#Baabaas #rugby #KillikCupSo much for the "NZR refusing to release players" speculation. :beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
https://twitter.com/Barbarian_FC/status/1588533145993121792
Text on their instagram account:
PLAYER NEWS
️ He’s playing against us for @allblacksxv at @tottenhamhotspurstadium before joining us for the rest of tour
Excited to see how he goes against us in the #KillikCup… Well, but not TOO well hopefully
It’s the effervescent and high quality flier Damian McKenzie
#Baabaas #rugby #KillikCupSo much for the "NZR refusing to release players" speculation. :beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:
Hmm, is that a cunning plan by the NZRU to keep him in the NH in case he's needed?
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
https://twitter.com/Barbarian_FC/status/1588533145993121792
Text on their instagram account:
PLAYER NEWS
️ He’s playing against us for @allblacksxv at @tottenhamhotspurstadium before joining us for the rest of tour
Excited to see how he goes against us in the #KillikCup… Well, but not TOO well hopefully
It’s the effervescent and high quality flier Damian McKenzie
#Baabaas #rugby #KillikCupSo much for the "NZR refusing to release players" speculation. :beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:
Hmm, is that a cunning plan by the NZRU to keep him in the NH in case he's needed?
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Bovidae Why not? What circumstances?
Robertson was offered the AB XV job wasn't he? If I was NZR, I wouldn't be giving his team NZ players.
I'd hope the NZR wouldn't be that petty.
I think that Razor had a team full of Cantabs in mind and then Ryan went and picked them all for the ABs and XV.
Either way we can blame a Cantab.
@Nepia said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Bovidae Why not? What circumstances?
Robertson was offered the AB XV job wasn't he? If I was NZR, I wouldn't be giving his team NZ players.
I'd hope the NZR wouldn't be that petty.
I think that Razor had a team full of Cantabs in mind and then Ryan went and picked them all for the ABs and XV.
Either way we can blame a Cantab.
We've got to develop our players somehow. Gardiner is coming along well. Should be ready for Super Rugby next year after this tour. Brewis is next, and Ennor is being played back into form...and Taylor with a bit of luck and persistence.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Bovidae Why not? What circumstances?
Robertson was offered the AB XV job wasn't he? If I was NZR, I wouldn't be giving his team NZ players.
I'd hope the NZR wouldn't be that petty.
I think that Razor had a team full of Cantabs in mind and then Ryan went and picked them all for the ABs and XV.
Either way we can blame a Cantab.
We've got to develop our players somehow. Gardiner is coming along well. Should be ready for Super Rugby next year after this tour. Brewis is next, and Ennor is being played back into form...and Taylor with a bit of luck and persistence.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Nepia said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Bovidae Why not? What circumstances?
Robertson was offered the AB XV job wasn't he? If I was NZR, I wouldn't be giving his team NZ players.
I'd hope the NZR wouldn't be that petty.
I think that Razor had a team full of Cantabs in mind and then Ryan went and picked them all for the ABs and XV.
Either way we can blame a Cantab.
We've got to develop our players somehow. Gardiner is coming along well. Should be ready for Super Rugby next year after this tour. Brewis is next, and Ennor is being played back into form...and Taylor with a bit of luck and persistence.
You had me until the bold.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Nepia said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Bovidae Why not? What circumstances?
Robertson was offered the AB XV job wasn't he? If I was NZR, I wouldn't be giving his team NZ players.
I'd hope the NZR wouldn't be that petty.
I think that Razor had a team full of Cantabs in mind and then Ryan went and picked them all for the ABs and XV.
Either way we can blame a Cantab.
We've got to develop our players somehow. Gardiner is coming along well. Should be ready for Super Rugby next year after this tour. Brewis is next, and Ennor is being played back into form...and Taylor with a bit of luck and persistence.
You had me until the bold.
@Nepia said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Nepia said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Bovidae Why not? What circumstances?
Robertson was offered the AB XV job wasn't he? If I was NZR, I wouldn't be giving his team NZ players.
I'd hope the NZR wouldn't be that petty.
I think that Razor had a team full of Cantabs in mind and then Ryan went and picked them all for the ABs and XV.
Either way we can blame a Cantab.
We've got to develop our players somehow. Gardiner is coming along well. Should be ready for Super Rugby next year after this tour. Brewis is next, and Ennor is being played back into form...and Taylor with a bit of luck and persistence.
You had me until the bold.
I hope Crazy Horse meant Crusaders form because I haven't seen much of Ennor's AB form.
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Players announced so far:
Forwards:
Zach Mercer
Camille Chat
Aaron Wainwright
John Ryan
Joe MarlerBacks:
Tawera Kerr Barlow
Rhys Webb
Brice Dulin
Teddy Thomas
George Bridge
Josua Tuisova
Joe Marchant@Frye said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
Players announced so far:
Forwards:
Zach Mercer
Camille Chat
Aaron Wainwright
John Ryan
Joe MarlerBacks:
Tawera Kerr Barlow
Rhys Webb
Brice Dulin
Teddy Thomas
George Bridge
Josua Tuisova
Joe MarchantTough job ahead for Razor !
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@Nepia said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Nepia said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Bovidae Why not? What circumstances?
Robertson was offered the AB XV job wasn't he? If I was NZR, I wouldn't be giving his team NZ players.
I'd hope the NZR wouldn't be that petty.
I think that Razor had a team full of Cantabs in mind and then Ryan went and picked them all for the ABs and XV.
Either way we can blame a Cantab.
We've got to develop our players somehow. Gardiner is coming along well. Should be ready for Super Rugby next year after this tour. Brewis is next, and Ennor is being played back into form...and Taylor with a bit of luck and persistence.
You had me until the bold.
I hope Crazy Horse meant Crusaders form because I haven't seen much of Ennor's AB form.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Nepia said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Nepia said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Bovidae Why not? What circumstances?
Robertson was offered the AB XV job wasn't he? If I was NZR, I wouldn't be giving his team NZ players.
I'd hope the NZR wouldn't be that petty.
I think that Razor had a team full of Cantabs in mind and then Ryan went and picked them all for the ABs and XV.
Either way we can blame a Cantab.
We've got to develop our players somehow. Gardiner is coming along well. Should be ready for Super Rugby next year after this tour. Brewis is next, and Ennor is being played back into form...and Taylor with a bit of luck and persistence.
You had me until the bold.
I hope Crazy Horse meant Crusaders form because I haven't seen much of Ennor's AB form.
Subtlety is an art.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Nepia said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Nepia said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Bovidae Why not? What circumstances?
Robertson was offered the AB XV job wasn't he? If I was NZR, I wouldn't be giving his team NZ players.
I'd hope the NZR wouldn't be that petty.
I think that Razor had a team full of Cantabs in mind and then Ryan went and picked them all for the ABs and XV.
Either way we can blame a Cantab.
We've got to develop our players somehow. Gardiner is coming along well. Should be ready for Super Rugby next year after this tour. Brewis is next, and Ennor is being played back into form...and Taylor with a bit of luck and persistence.
You had me until the bold.
I hope Crazy Horse meant Crusaders form because I haven't seen much of Ennor's AB form.
Subtlety is an art.
@Bones said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Nepia said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Nepia said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Bovidae Why not? What circumstances?
Robertson was offered the AB XV job wasn't he? If I was NZR, I wouldn't be giving his team NZ players.
I'd hope the NZR wouldn't be that petty.
I think that Razor had a team full of Cantabs in mind and then Ryan went and picked them all for the ABs and XV.
Either way we can blame a Cantab.
We've got to develop our players somehow. Gardiner is coming along well. Should be ready for Super Rugby next year after this tour. Brewis is next, and Ennor is being played back into form...and Taylor with a bit of luck and persistence.
You had me until the bold.
I hope Crazy Horse meant Crusaders form because I haven't seen much of Ennor's AB form.
Subtlety is an art.
Why, thank you!
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Machpants That's not an answer to my question to @Bovidae. And see my post above about the scheduling.
There are no free weekends when the Prem and Top 14 aren't playing, so baa Baas have to get employers permission to play. Or am i miss understanding your question? Edit: I was talking about all good players, you were on NZ sorry, my misunderstanding.
Edit: do players even need permission from NZR if they're not playing for the ABs/ABXV?
Edit 2: The best NZ players are in the ABs/ABXV; maybe Razor didn't want any of the remaining players for the Baabaass
Yes players are still employed by NZR and need their permission. It will take away a rest week, impacting next season. Same with Oz, SA etc.
So the players have to get permission, NH +SA will miss a domestic game, NZ, Au will miss a rest week, impacting SR next year
@Machpants said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV v Barbarians:
@Machpants That's not an answer to my question to @Bovidae. And see my post above about the scheduling.
There are no free weekends when the Prem and Top 14 aren't playing, so baa Baas have to get employers permission to play. Or am i miss understanding your question? Edit: I was talking about all good players, you were on NZ sorry, my misunderstanding.
Edit: do players even need permission from NZR if they're not playing for the ABs/ABXV?
Edit 2: The best NZ players are in the ABs/ABXV; maybe Razor didn't want any of the remaining players for the Baabaass
Yes players are still employed by NZR and need their permission. It will take away a rest week, impacting next season. Same with Oz, SA etc.
So the players have to get permission, NH +SA will miss a domestic game, NZ, Au will miss a rest week, impacting SR next year
Even amateur players are required to a clearance to play for Barbarians or anywhere outside their country, always been so from what I know.
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Barbarians squad:
FORWARDS
Facundo Bosch (Stade Rochelais, Argentina)
Camille Chat (Stade Rochelais, France)
George Henri Colombe (Stade Rochelais)
Cedate Gomes Sa (Racing 92, France)
Joe Marler (Harlequins, England)
Zach Mercer (Montpellier, England)
John Ryan (Munster, Ireland)
Romain Sazy (Stade Rochelais)
Lekima Tagitagivalu (Section Paloise, Fiji)
Aaron Wainwright (Dragons, Wales)
Lauret Wenceslas (Racing 92, France)
Luke Whitelock (Section Paloise, New Zealand)
BACKSGeorge Bridge (Montpellier, New Zealand)
Antoine Hastoy (Stade Rochelais, France)
Tawera Kerr Barlow (Stade Rochelais, New Zealand)
Dillyn Leyds (Stade Rochelais, South Africa)
Joe Marchant (Harlequins, England)
Charlie Ngatai (Leinster, New Zealand)
Remi Picquette (Stade Rochelais)
Raymond Rhule (Stade Rochelais, South Africa)
Teddy Thomas (Stade Rochelais, France)
Rhys Webb (Ospreys, Wales)
Ihaia West (Toulon)
http://www.barbarianfc.co.uk/news/barbarians-name-squad-for-killik-cup-clash-against-all-blacks-xv/
