WRWC Final - NZ Vs England
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@chimoaus said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
Feel for the English players that have 2 silvers now.
Hunter and Scarratt did win in 2014.
Speaking of medals, Fluhler, Hirini and Woodman had won a silver and bronze at their two pinnacle events this year so they'll be happy to complete the set now.
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@Bones said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
Pretty odd England didn't take the 3 at the end and regroup. Arrogance eh...
I don't think that was the right move. Just running the numbers it's not the right move.
Assume she kicks it 80% of the time. Kicking 3 would only take it to extra time and (at best) a 50% chance to win*. That gives win equity of 40%.
On the other hand going for the line out drive had been very successful. Had to be a better than 40% chance they would score a try from the line out.
Going for the line was the correct play.
- if anything slightly lower because they looked out on their feet and might not have coped with another 20 minutes.
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@Bones said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
Pretty odd England didn't take the 3 at the end and regroup. Arrogance eh...
I don't think that was the right move. Just running the numbers it's not the right move.
Assume she kicks it 80% of the time. Kicking 3 would only take it to extra time and (at best) a 50% chance to win*. That gives win equity of 40%.
On the other hand going for the line out drive had been very successful. Had to be a better than 40% chance they would score a try from the line out.
Going for the line was the correct play.
- if anything slightly lower because they looked out on their feet and might not have coped with another 20 minutes.
@Damo I don't think she would have missed from in front and wasn't there still time after that? England then just needed to hold the ball and work their way up the field as they'd just done fairly easily. I don't think NZ would have challenged any lineouts unless 5m out.
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The ref allowed play to continue before going back to see Woodman. Yet when the English forward nosedived she stopped us as we were building our attack. That doesn't feel like consistency to me
@canefan said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
The ref allowed play to continue before going back to see Woodman. Yet when the English forward nosedived she stopped us as we were building our attack. That doesn't feel like consistency to me
We can safely say that the Cup was poorly refereed due to the decision to use only female refs. The ref of the final has been a pro ref for a couple of years and only ever reffed women's matches of any significance. The only female ref with any real experience is English, and has reffed premiership, and men's internationals, I think. So it was a PC decision ahead of its time - the refs were not ready and were really poor. Admittedly they were part of how fast the game was, they let all sorts of shit go, but it really wasn't good enough. Rucks were a free for all with hands on the deck, and many of the calls were a lottery. But you can't say any team got it worse than any other because it was so random.
It detracted for the knowledgable but maybe was the best call for the game. Non-rugby nerds had no idea and were happy with what they saw.
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The ref allowed play to continue before going back to see Woodman. Yet when the English forward nosedived she stopped us as we were building our attack. That doesn't feel like consistency to me
@canefan said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
The ref allowed play to continue before going back to see Woodman. Yet when the English forward nosedived she stopped us as we were building our attack. That doesn't feel like consistency to me
DUSRUSPICT!
TBH the takeaway from this from World Rugby is ensuring they develop the women's game further, both playing AND refereeing.
I remember the first time I had a female ref was back in 2007 - have not had one since. In the Sydney area there are about 3 besides Amy Perrett who is in the ref management side of things now and no longer full time.
There isn't enough womens rugby to grow a really substantial crop of them, and things like starting a family affect womens rugby far more than mens.
But there needs to be some investment to get the ball rolling.
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https://twitter.com/utrechtshield/status/1591383489555103744?t=xeZM9BAXtxHAeIT7S2MTHw&s=19
Not just the World cup we claimed tonight
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@Damo I don't think she would have missed from in front and wasn't there still time after that? England then just needed to hold the ball and work their way up the field as they'd just done fairly easily. I don't think NZ would have challenged any lineouts unless 5m out.
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@Bones What about a scrum option? They were just as effective, although the England forwards looked out on their feet tbf.
@Jailbreak7 said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
@Bones What about a scrum option? They were just as effective, although the England forwards looked out on their feet tbf.
Yeah that would have been worse for them unless they got a shove on, because their forwards wouldn't have been able to get across the park and their backs weren't going anywhere. The only way they were going to get points was from the boot or a maul.
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@Stargazer said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
Cocksedge kicks a 50:22!
The ABs with all their advantage with distance in a punt still have yet to record one.
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The Professor can wander off into the sunset with the greatest reputation. Well deserved.
If NZR want the women to continue to develop a legacy, investment in set piece and goal kicking would pay dividends.
@antipodean said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
The Professor can wander off into the sunset with the greatest reputation. Well deserved.
If NZR want the women to continue to develop a legacy, investment in set piece and goal kicking would pay dividends.
And raid the netballers for some locks...
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@Stargazer said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
Cocksedge kicks a 50:22!
The ABs with all their advantage with distance in a punt still have yet to record one.
@Joans-Town-Jones said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
@Stargazer said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
Cocksedge kicks a 50:22!
The ABs with all their advantage with distance in a punt still have yet to record one.
Wrong thread. But I'd be interested to see where you read that.
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Donât think we were winning that without the red card. Nevertheless well done. Fluhler is fantastic. DC was a great 10 but he is a shĂŽt goal kicking coach. We need to learn how to defend a maul.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
@Stargazer said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
Cocksedge kicks a 50:22!
The ABs with all their advantage with distance in a punt still have yet to record one.
Wrong thread. But I'd be interested to see where you read that.
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@Bones It's also not true. David Havili kicked a 50:20; I think it was in the Ellis Park test, but not sure.
@Stargazer yeah I figured but now you've ruined what was going to be a fun exercise!
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I have been thinking about our kicking game, or lack of, and I think the way we played, which at times was sheer chaos, but seemed based solely on the natural instincts of the girls.and how they want to play.
Anyhow, the kicking, our gameplan was based around the fact we had next to no kicking game (distance wise) certainly not one to get ourselves far enough out of our 22 to negate thier maul, meaning they rolled the dice running it, all the time (dare I say how, junior rugby is played)
Sure this leads to some bizarre decisions and plays, but being that unpredictable makes it hard for the opposition too.
As I mentioned last week I think, the best thing about how they play, is they look like they are loving it, pure enjoyment, epitomised by the amazing Fluhler and Tui.
Anyway, that's my over analysis, over.
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I have been thinking about our kicking game, or lack of, and I think the way we played, which at times was sheer chaos, but seemed based solely on the natural instincts of the girls.and how they want to play.
Anyhow, the kicking, our gameplan was based around the fact we had next to no kicking game (distance wise) certainly not one to get ourselves far enough out of our 22 to negate thier maul, meaning they rolled the dice running it, all the time (dare I say how, junior rugby is played)
Sure this leads to some bizarre decisions and plays, but being that unpredictable makes it hard for the opposition too.
As I mentioned last week I think, the best thing about how they play, is they look like they are loving it, pure enjoyment, epitomised by the amazing Fluhler and Tui.
Anyway, that's my over analysis, over.
@taniwharugby They want to get the Argie kicking coach in.
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I have been thinking about our kicking game, or lack of, and I think the way we played, which at times was sheer chaos, but seemed based solely on the natural instincts of the girls.and how they want to play.
Anyhow, the kicking, our gameplan was based around the fact we had next to no kicking game (distance wise) certainly not one to get ourselves far enough out of our 22 to negate thier maul, meaning they rolled the dice running it, all the time (dare I say how, junior rugby is played)
Sure this leads to some bizarre decisions and plays, but being that unpredictable makes it hard for the opposition too.
As I mentioned last week I think, the best thing about how they play, is they look like they are loving it, pure enjoyment, epitomised by the amazing Fluhler and Tui.
Anyway, that's my over analysis, over.
@taniwharugby horses for courses too right? I think Wayne is probably a genius at unlocking handling and awareness in players, as well as the fact women's rugby is probably at mid to late 90's level men's rugby.
So get a team fit, overload on their ability to handle and support accurately and you have a recipe for success against big, lumbering defences.
That naturally leans on focus and determination in defence when the game goes long too. Communication is massive, when you're fucked, you're not communicating.
