WRWC Final - NZ Vs England
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@taniwharugby horses for courses too right? I think Wayne is probably a genius at unlocking handling and awareness in players, as well as the fact women's rugby is probably at mid to late 90's level men's rugby.
So get a team fit, overload on their ability to handle and support accurately and you have a recipe for success against big, lumbering defences.
That naturally leans on focus and determination in defence when the game goes long too. Communication is massive, when you're fucked, you're not communicating.
@Bones said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
@taniwharugby horses for courses too right? I think Wayne is probably a genius at unlocking handling and awareness in players, as well as the fact women's rugby is probably at mid to late 90's level men's rugby.
England especially is very reminiscent of their own mid 90s men's team. Maybe they need old woodentop to introduce them to Total Rugby
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Don’t think we were winning that without the red card. Nevertheless well done. Fluhler is fantastic. DC was a great 10 but he is a shît goal kicking coach. We need to learn how to defend a maul.
@Billy-Tell said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
Don’t think we were winning that without the red card. Nevertheless well done. Fluhler is fantastic. DC was a great 10 but he is a shît goal kicking coach. We need to learn how to defend a maul.
I think the game offered up some clear and obvious evidence to WR that mauls need to be brought back to having some form of contestability. England were so massively dominant in their own maul showing great organisation and power yet the same attributes offered nothing in defending them.
Mauls are just such an unbalanced part of the game. The primary playing option at many levels of rugby now is to get into a position to maul, such is the advantage offered in that facet.Of course the NH will cheer the 'beauty' of it because they don't want to dilute a strong part of how they play without seeing what an unbalanced, boring part of the game it is for spectators.
I was watching with a few non rugby geeks and they were all confused as to why the ball could be protected with players in front of it and defenders were unable to defend. It just looks all wrong.
I think there was even a penalty for collapsing a maul when the maul didn't even collapse but continued up field. One player was dragged to ground by one other player. In a ruck, that's a clearcut and is encouraged. In a maul it is a penalty. Go figure. -
@Damo I don't think she would have missed from in front and wasn't there still time after that? England then just needed to hold the ball and work their way up the field as they'd just done fairly easily. I don't think NZ would have challenged any lineouts unless 5m out.
@Bones said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
@Damo I don't think she would have missed from in front and wasn't there still time after that? England then just needed to hold the ball and work their way up the field as they'd just done fairly easily. I don't think NZ would have challenged any lineouts unless 5m out.
Pressure kick in the last moments of a RWC final is never a gimme. It wasn't from straight in front. I'd say 80% chance is fair.
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@MN5 covid made this RWC 2021
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Why would England opt to take a risk at extra time only to then have to get back to the same position again to score. It’s a non option.
First you have to make the kick or lose. Then you have to play yourself back into your scoring option position.
Extra time isn’t golden point either so NZ also get chances to score.
I can’t even see why this is an argument.Given that NZ competed at the first lineout it was obvious they would do so again so England did have to bank on taking the throw. If there was another option available it may have been a tap. NZ have shown vulnerability against one off runners close to the line. But, as others have said, a little knock on or a held up are more likely from that than from a maul.
If England had won from a lineout drive it would have been a real downer on the night. Not just because of the loss but because a celebration of the game and an intent to play free flowing entertaining rugby would have lost as well. -
@canefan yeah I was more meaning we have less than a year to some other WC...
@taniwharugby said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
@canefan yeah I was more meaning we have less than a year to some other WC...
And no Wayne.....
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What do we have to give him to join the ABs for 6 months next year....
@canefan said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
What do we have to give him to join the ABs for 6 months next year....
Wouldn’t make any difference. Smith has always been his own man or has been good when a head coach has given him full control over certain aspects.
If he retires it’s a great note to go out on. -
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Not just the World cup we claimed tonight
@Davesofthunder said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
https://twitter.com/utrechtshield/status/1591383489555103744?t=xeZM9BAXtxHAeIT7S2MTHw&s=19
Not just the World cup we claimed tonight
Did you get to present it to anyone on behalf of?
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@Davesofthunder said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
https://twitter.com/utrechtshield/status/1591383489555103744?t=xeZM9BAXtxHAeIT7S2MTHw&s=19
Not just the World cup we claimed tonight
Did you get to present it to anyone on behalf of?
Spoke to the crowds after left in the pub but I was essentially the only kiwi there!
Pretty somber mood as they were all a bit shell shocked. Most of their fans really did not think they could lose.
Camera crews following a couple of people clearly expecting a different result and you could see the collective confusion that this wasn't the story they wanted/ expected to tell.
The All Blacks caravan comes to Twickenham next and since I live there I would love to do a mini ceremony where some of the men could do a lift on behalf of the Ferns
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@Bones said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
@Damo I don't think she would have missed from in front and wasn't there still time after that? England then just needed to hold the ball and work their way up the field as they'd just done fairly easily. I don't think NZ would have challenged any lineouts unless 5m out.
Pressure kick in the last moments of a RWC final is never a gimme. It wasn't from straight in front. I'd say 80% chance is fair.
@Damo said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
@Bones said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
@Damo I don't think she would have missed from in front and wasn't there still time after that? England then just needed to hold the ball and work their way up the field as they'd just done fairly easily. I don't think NZ would have challenged any lineouts unless 5m out.
Pressure kick in the last moments of a RWC final is never a gimme. It wasn't from straight in front. I'd say 80% chance is fair.
I thought the first penalty was pretty much in front of the posts?
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@Damo said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
@Bones said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
@Damo I don't think she would have missed from in front and wasn't there still time after that? England then just needed to hold the ball and work their way up the field as they'd just done fairly easily. I don't think NZ would have challenged any lineouts unless 5m out.
Pressure kick in the last moments of a RWC final is never a gimme. It wasn't from straight in front. I'd say 80% chance is fair.
I thought the first penalty was pretty much in front of the posts?
@Bones they had one earlier that was dead centre when trailing by 3 i think, where they went for the corner instead, and that was Cockayne's hat trick IIRC
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After a year of watching teams rime wasting due to poor fitness (looking at you Ireland), it was particularly sweet to watch time wasting backfire so spectacularly.
@Kirwan said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
After a year of watching teams rime wasting due to poor fitness (looking at you Ireland), it was particularly sweet to watch time wasting backfire so spectacularly.
That was brilliant. Fair to say though that I haven't seen the men's game reffed by a team of 4 before. Not to the extent that they are looking at things other than foul play. It did actually work well as the TMO would clarify stuff without the ref even having to look. Made for far less stoppage time.
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@Kirwan said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
After a year of watching teams rime wasting due to poor fitness (looking at you Ireland), it was particularly sweet to watch time wasting backfire so spectacularly.
That was brilliant. Fair to say though that I haven't seen the men's game reffed by a team of 4 before. Not to the extent that they are looking at things other than foul play. It did actually work well as the TMO would clarify stuff without the ref even having to look. Made for far less stoppage time.
@Crucial think inside the first 10 or so mins there had been almost no stoppages.
Maybe those looking after the men's and women's games from the refereeing side need to meet as there seems to be a different approach to a number of things.
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After a year of watching teams rime wasting due to poor fitness (looking at you Ireland), it was particularly sweet to watch time wasting backfire so spectacularly.
