France vs Springboks
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In my view, the turning point was Faf de Klerk being replaced. He was marshaling his forwards brilliantly until then. His box kicks put a lot of pressure on the French team. Cobus Reinach was not as influential when he came in. From now on, the Springboks started to fade.
@cgrant it didn't help taking Kolisi off either, he was huge.
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Looking at PSDT red a big contributor was Kwagga giving him and De Allende a shove. I suspect PDST (and DA) were pushed off balance and fell forward.
Barnes has previous given yellows for same (to the pusher in lieu of the pushee).
@pakman said in France vs Springboks:
Looking at PSDT red a big contributor was Kwagga giving him and De Allende a shove. I suspect PDST (and DA) were pushed off balance and fell forward.
Barnes has previous given yellows for same (to the pusher in lieu of the pushee).
Not so sure. Looking at the replay, for me the push, such as it was, had little impact. PSDT was already on his way at a rate of knots.
Red all the way.
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@pakman said in France vs Springboks:
Looking at PSDT red a big contributor was Kwagga giving him and De Allende a shove. I suspect PDST (and DA) were pushed off balance and fell forward.
Barnes has previous given yellows for same (to the pusher in lieu of the pushee).
Not so sure. Looking at the replay, for me the push, such as it was, had little impact. PSDT was already on his way at a rate of knots.
Red all the way.
@Catogrande said in France vs Springboks:
@pakman said in France vs Springboks:
Looking at PSDT red a big contributor was Kwagga giving him and De Allende a shove. I suspect PDST (and DA) were pushed off balance and fell forward.
Barnes has previous given yellows for same (to the pusher in lieu of the pushee).
Not so sure. Looking at the replay, for me the push, such as it was, had little impact. PSDT was already on his way at a rate of knots.
Red all the way.
And he gave himself an extra propulsion just before impact
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@MiketheSnow said in France vs Springboks:
@Catogrande said in France vs Springboks:
@pakman said in France vs Springboks:
Looking at PSDT red a big contributor was Kwagga giving him and De Allende a shove. I suspect PDST (and DA) were pushed off balance and fell forward.
Barnes has previous given yellows for same (to the pusher in lieu of the pushee).
Not so sure. Looking at the replay, for me the push, such as it was, had little impact. PSDT was already on his way at a rate of knots.
Red all the way.
And he gave himself an extra propulsion just before impact
If you lose your balance and try regain it it is common to lurch forward almost involuntarily.
I just don’t think the outcome of nutting Danty in face was his intention.
Definitely a card.
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@pakman said in France vs Springboks:
Looking at PSDT red a big contributor was Kwagga giving him and De Allende a shove. I suspect PDST (and DA) were pushed off balance and fell forward.
Barnes has previous given yellows for same (to the pusher in lieu of the pushee).
Not so sure. Looking at the replay, for me the push, such as it was, had little impact. PSDT was already on his way at a rate of knots.
Red all the way.
@Catogrande said in France vs Springboks:
Not so sure. Looking at the replay, for me the push, such as it was, had little impact. PSDT was already on his way at a rate of knots.
There's your problem right there. PSDT didn't even know what environment he was in!
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@MiketheSnow said in France vs Springboks:
@Catogrande said in France vs Springboks:
@pakman said in France vs Springboks:
Looking at PSDT red a big contributor was Kwagga giving him and De Allende a shove. I suspect PDST (and DA) were pushed off balance and fell forward.
Barnes has previous given yellows for same (to the pusher in lieu of the pushee).
Not so sure. Looking at the replay, for me the push, such as it was, had little impact. PSDT was already on his way at a rate of knots.
Red all the way.
And he gave himself an extra propulsion just before impact
If you lose your balance and try regain it it is common to lurch forward almost involuntarily.
I just don’t think the outcome of nutting Danty in face was his intention.
Definitely a card.
@pakman said in France vs Springboks:
I just don’t think the outcome of nutting Danty in face was his intention.
Definitely a card.Looked intentional to me, and there's no need for it. No need to get his Danties in a twist.
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@pakman said in France vs Springboks:
I just don’t think the outcome of nutting Danty in face was his intention.
Definitely a card.Looked intentional to me, and there's no need for it. No need to get his Danties in a twist.
@nostrildamus said in France vs Springboks:
@pakman said in France vs Springboks:
I just don’t think the outcome of nutting Danty in face was his intention.
Definitely a card.Looked intentional to me, and there's no need for it. No need to get his Danties in a twist.
Not to me. Having now rewatched a few times it seems to me the big issue was De Allende and PSDT steaming in in parallel. Danty lurches left to avoid DA which puts his head in line with PDST's head.
I hope World Rugby thinks about amending the Laws in respect of such parallel/double cleans, because they are an accident waiting to happen (again).
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@nostrildamus said in France vs Springboks:
@pakman said in France vs Springboks:
I just don’t think the outcome of nutting Danty in face was his intention.
Definitely a card.Looked intentional to me, and there's no need for it. No need to get his Danties in a twist.
Not to me. Having now rewatched a few times it seems to me the big issue was De Allende and PSDT steaming in in parallel. Danty lurches left to avoid DA which puts his head in line with PDST's head.
I hope World Rugby thinks about amending the Laws in respect of such parallel/double cleans, because they are an accident waiting to happen (again).
@pakman said in France vs Springboks:
I hope World Rugby thinks about amending the Laws in respect of such parallel/double cleans, because they are an accident waiting to happen (again).
ok I saw another angle, not so clear. But someone had to be sent off.
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@MiketheSnow said in France vs Springboks:
@Catogrande said in France vs Springboks:
@pakman said in France vs Springboks:
Looking at PSDT red a big contributor was Kwagga giving him and De Allende a shove. I suspect PDST (and DA) were pushed off balance and fell forward.
Barnes has previous given yellows for same (to the pusher in lieu of the pushee).
Not so sure. Looking at the replay, for me the push, such as it was, had little impact. PSDT was already on his way at a rate of knots.
Red all the way.
And he gave himself an extra propulsion just before impact
If you lose your balance and try regain it it is common to lurch forward almost involuntarily.
I just don’t think the outcome of nutting Danty in face was his intention.
Definitely a card.
@pakman said in France vs Springboks:
@MiketheSnow said in France vs Springboks:
@Catogrande said in France vs Springboks:
@pakman said in France vs Springboks:
Looking at PSDT red a big contributor was Kwagga giving him and De Allende a shove. I suspect PDST (and DA) were pushed off balance and fell forward.
Barnes has previous given yellows for same (to the pusher in lieu of the pushee).
Not so sure. Looking at the replay, for me the push, such as it was, had little impact. PSDT was already on his way at a rate of knots.
Red all the way.
And he gave himself an extra propulsion just before impact
If you lose your balance and try regain it it is common to lurch forward almost involuntarily.
I just don’t think the outcome of nutting Danty in face was his intention.
Definitely a card.
Well, only he knows that for sure :beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:
However I'd be surprised if it was intentational rather than just reckless as he doesn't seem to be that type of guy from what I've seen
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@pakman said in France vs Springboks:
@MiketheSnow said in France vs Springboks:
@Catogrande said in France vs Springboks:
@pakman said in France vs Springboks:
Looking at PSDT red a big contributor was Kwagga giving him and De Allende a shove. I suspect PDST (and DA) were pushed off balance and fell forward.
Barnes has previous given yellows for same (to the pusher in lieu of the pushee).
Not so sure. Looking at the replay, for me the push, such as it was, had little impact. PSDT was already on his way at a rate of knots.
Red all the way.
And he gave himself an extra propulsion just before impact
If you lose your balance and try regain it it is common to lurch forward almost involuntarily.
I just don’t think the outcome of nutting Danty in face was his intention.
Definitely a card.
Well, only he knows that for sure :beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:
However I'd be surprised if it was intentational rather than just reckless as he doesn't seem to be that type of guy from what I've seen
@Catogrande said in France vs Springboks:
However I'd be surprised if it was intentational rather than just reckless as he doesn't seem to be that type of guy from what I've seen
He did seem to have a surprised expression on his face in a second video angle.
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@Catogrande said in France vs Springboks:
However I'd be surprised if it was intentational rather than just reckless as he doesn't seem to be that type of guy from what I've seen
He did seem to have a surprised expression on his face in a second video angle.
@nostrildamus said in France vs Springboks:
@Catogrande said in France vs Springboks:
However I'd be surprised if it was intentational rather than just reckless as he doesn't seem to be that type of guy from what I've seen
He did seem to have a surprised expression on his face in a second video angle.
Not as surprised as the Frenchman!
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@nostrildamus said in France vs Springboks:
@Catogrande said in France vs Springboks:
However I'd be surprised if it was intentational rather than just reckless as he doesn't seem to be that type of guy from what I've seen
He did seem to have a surprised expression on his face in a second video angle.
Not as surprised as the Frenchman!
@Catogrande said in France vs Springboks:
@nostrildamus said in France vs Springboks:
@Catogrande said in France vs Springboks:
However I'd be surprised if it was intentational rather than just reckless as he doesn't seem to be that type of guy from what I've seen
He did seem to have a surprised expression on his face in a second video angle.
Not as surprised as the Frenchman!
Out of the frying pan into the flier. Edit: flyer?
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@pakman said in France vs Springboks:
@MiketheSnow said in France vs Springboks:
@Catogrande said in France vs Springboks:
@pakman said in France vs Springboks:
Looking at PSDT red a big contributor was Kwagga giving him and De Allende a shove. I suspect PDST (and DA) were pushed off balance and fell forward.
Barnes has previous given yellows for same (to the pusher in lieu of the pushee).
Not so sure. Looking at the replay, for me the push, such as it was, had little impact. PSDT was already on his way at a rate of knots.
Red all the way.
And he gave himself an extra propulsion just before impact
If you lose your balance and try regain it it is common to lurch forward almost involuntarily.
I just don’t think the outcome of nutting Danty in face was his intention.
Definitely a card.
Well, only he knows that for sure :beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:
However I'd be surprised if it was intentational rather than just reckless as he doesn't seem to be that type of guy from what I've seen
@Catogrande I don't think any ofnthese red cards we see are intentional, some are worse than others in terms of stupidity/dangerous/accidental, but not intentional.
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@Catogrande I don't think any ofnthese red cards we see are intentional, some are worse than others in terms of stupidity/dangerous/accidental, but not intentional.
I agree that intentionality is rare. In the case of a clear out like PSDT, I can see the intention to stick a shoulder into the ribs, say, rather than a nut to the face, but if you ride that line you’re putting guys in danger and yourself in the frame.
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Waynes Barnes missed what we saw in a bar in Edinburgh:
He plainly needs to take a look at his prematch fluids routine.
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Waynes Barnes missed what we saw in a bar in Edinburgh:
He plainly needs to take a look at his prematch fluids routine.
@pakman said in France vs Springboks:
Waynes Barnes missed what we saw in a bar in Edinburgh:
He plainly needs to take a look at his prematch fluids routine.
The All Blacks were penalised for exactly the same thing on the weekend: A clear non bind situation ignored because the refs only look at the defenders when it comes to mauls.
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@OomPB said in France vs Springboks:
@NTA how do you get this?
Willemse is a fullback pretending to be a flyhalf most of the time. However, he also possess a distribution game where the entire Bok plan is still running on kick-and-bash. Maybe over time he and the wingers can make something of it, but he's a square peg in a round hole at the moment.
Le Roux is a total flake. The strategy of him joining as first receiver is to cover Willemse's deficiencies, but his defence is suspect and his temperament has always been crap. Much better at provincial level where he was carving up second-rate D lines.
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@pakman said in France vs Springboks:
Waynes Barnes missed what we saw in a bar in Edinburgh:
He plainly needs to take a look at his prematch fluids routine.
The All Blacks were penalised for exactly the same thing on the weekend: A clear non bind situation ignored because the refs only look at the defenders when it comes to mauls.
@antipodean said in France vs Springboks:
@pakman said in France vs Springboks:
Waynes Barnes missed what we saw in a bar in Edinburgh:
He plainly needs to take a look at his prematch fluids routine.
The All Blacks were penalised for exactly the same thing on the weekend: A clear non bind situation ignored because the refs only look at the defenders when it comes to mauls.
Exactly! Remember that.
