Chiefs v Crusaders
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Just watched the game then read the thread. Two different pictures presented! Not sure if any Chiefs fans were posting so direct these observations their way.
Ennor LF and McLeod went very well for Crusaders and had them in the box seat. Their lineout was exceptional at disrupting Chiefs and maul was strong. T Williams impressing me again too. The game plan was aerial challenge and I thought it worked very well.
But the difference from then on was in the 10s. Richie seems to play within himself and behind the pressure points while DMac pushes the boundaries. Sure he made 3 or 4 obvious errors in first half but there were lots of extra good things that nobody seems to notice. His later tackle on Lio Willie was exceptional as was the corner flagger while the one he missed was one where most others would have missed even touching LF. His depth punting was good and goalkicking was too. For me it's no surprise he made the clutch plays in heavy traffic in the second half after testing the limits in the first. Yet the TSF thread suggests the total opposite... Richie started very well with his kicks regained but then went off the boil when he needed to take command.
Where was the praise for Sam Cane and Emoni Narawa? Both were exceptional. Stevenson and Luke Jacobson too. Mystified by his card as he was holding up the ball when Cullen Grace and Strange seemed to deliberately collapse the maul on goal line in front of TJ. ???
That squares off for 50 50 knock on earlier. Angus Gardner was very good outside those two grey area decisions.
And great to see such a good crowd and players staying on so long to mix with them. Really wish I did not have clashing commitments and could have been there.Big work on for Chiefs is their work in the air. Look forward to seeing more of Lord and Lienert Brown soon as they will add lots in the areas Chiefs are losing the contests.
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Looking at the match stats in this game, both teams missed a similar amount of tackles (17 and 16, for the Chiefs and Crusaders, respectively) but the Chiefs attempted twice as many tackles (191 vs 98).
Taukei'aho led the way with 19 (1 miss) followed by Jacobson (17, 2) Dyer (15, 1) and Cane (14, 1). All the starting Chiefs forwards made 10+ tackles.
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@ARHS Mate you didn't read my post if you missed praise for Sam Cane and Jacobson, and agree how good all players you mentioned were.
And I a neautral, a one eyed Canes man, but can happily watch and appreciate good players from anywhere!@Dan54 said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@ARHS Mate you didn't read my post if you missed praise for Sam Cane and Jacobson, and agree how good all players you mentioned were.
And I a neautral, a one eyed Canes man, but can happily watch and appreciate good players from anywhere!All good. It was the balance between criticism and praise for players that seemed weird when reading the thread. Game was high intensity and there were lots of errors caused by pressure. The Cane thing is about the example he sets in doing the hard stuff and his captaincy under the gun. I think he was right in keeping it tight in the corner at the end. Six up with Crusaders superior aerially and kicking off was a risk.
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@Bones We bloody missed all of those up here thanks to sky uk
@Jailbreak7 said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Bones We bloody missed all of those up here thanks to sky uk
My sky UK didn't...
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@chimoaus said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
Also depends on how Razor and his team handle RM,
RM is gone next year
@Machpants said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@chimoaus said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
Also depends on how Razor and his team handle RM,
RM is gone next year
Yes, but Razor wants to change the eligibility rules.
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@Machpants said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@chimoaus said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
Also depends on how Razor and his team handle RM,
RM is gone next year
Yes, but Razor wants to change the eligibility rules.
@cgrant said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Machpants said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@chimoaus said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
Also depends on how Razor and his team handle RM,
RM is gone next year
Yes, but Razor wants to change the eligibility rules.
No, he said he's not averse to looking at changing it. Doesn't matter, it won't change NZR knows that long term suicide for rugby in NZ
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@Bones said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
So weren't there hakas by all the other kiwi teams this round, except in this game?
The Chiefs have a Māori Kapa Haka group that does a pre-match haka every home game.
Was the half-time laser show shown on the live broadcast?
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I decided to watch a replay of this game before reading/commenting. What wasn't noticeable on the TV was how much whining Barrett did to Gardner during the game. My ears are still ringing.
@Bovidae Whinging to the refs must be a Barrett thing. I noticed Jordie has been doing quite a lot of this also.
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@Bovidae Whinging to the refs must be a Barrett thing. I noticed Jordie has been doing quite a lot of this also.
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Watched Stevenson try a few times to try and work out how DMAc had such a huge hole to run into.
Havili totally misread the play and bit in on a forward runner well after the pass out the back from Gatland was made.
I still have no idea what Christie and Ennor were doing charging up out wide as if DMac was going to pass before running.
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@Bones said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
So weren't there hakas by all the other kiwi teams this round, except in this game?
The Chiefs have a Māori Kapa Haka group that does a pre-match haka every home game.
Was the half-time laser show shown on the live broadcast?
@Bovidae said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Bones said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
So weren't there hakas by all the other kiwi teams this round, except in this game?
The Chiefs have a Māori Kapa Haka group that does a pre-match haka every home game.
Was the half-time laser show shown on the live broadcast?
Not sure wasn't paying attention!
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@Jailbreak7 Scott is his team's captain. Jordie isn't.
@Stargazer Funnily enough I didnt notice Scooter whinging much yesterday, perhaps he should take a leaf out of his brothers book and get more involved that way.
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@Machpants said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@chimoaus said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
Also depends on how Razor and his team handle RM,
RM is gone next year
Yes, but Razor wants to change the eligibility rules.
@cgrant said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Machpants said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@chimoaus said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
Also depends on how Razor and his team handle RM,
RM is gone next year
Yes, but Razor wants to change the eligibility rules.
If we change that rule for that player, we are already fucked.
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@Bovidae Whinging to the refs must be a Barrett thing. I noticed Jordie has been doing quite a lot of this also.
@Jailbreak7 said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Bovidae Whinging to the refs must be a Barrett thing. I noticed Jordie has been doing quite a lot of this also.
Whinging is an opposition thing. It is conversing with the ref when it is your team. Weber is especially good at "conversing" with the ref.
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@cgrant said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Machpants said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@chimoaus said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
Also depends on how Razor and his team handle RM,
RM is gone next year
Yes, but Razor wants to change the eligibility rules.
If we change that rule for that player, we are already fucked.
@gt12 said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@cgrant said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Machpants said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@chimoaus said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
Also depends on how Razor and his team handle RM,
RM is gone next year
Yes, but Razor wants to change the eligibility rules.
If we change that rule for that player, we are already fucked.
Not sure if we should be taking someone's random thought out of nowhere and getting all doomy and gloomy about it.
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Watched Stevenson try a few times to try and work out how DMAc had such a huge hole to run into.
Havili totally misread the play and bit in on a forward runner well after the pass out the back from Gatland was made.
I still have no idea what Christie and Ennor were doing charging up out wide as if DMac was going to pass before running.
Really poor defence and good taking advantage of it.@Crucial said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
Watched Stevenson try a few times to try and work out how DMAc had such a huge hole to run into.
Havili totally misread the play and bit in on a forward runner well after the pass out the back from Gatland was made.
I still have no idea what Christie and Ennor were doing charging up out wide as if DMac was going to pass before running.
Really poor defence and good taking advantage of it.crusaders took the space outside dmac away in the first half, filled there lines with defenders. which will be why christie and ennor rushed up. dummy runnerin close fotced them to take him and make a different destion . good coaching who ever made the change at half time
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@Crucial said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
Watched Stevenson try a few times to try and work out how DMAc had such a huge hole to run into.
Havili totally misread the play and bit in on a forward runner well after the pass out the back from Gatland was made.
I still have no idea what Christie and Ennor were doing charging up out wide as if DMac was going to pass before running.
Really poor defence and good taking advantage of it.crusaders took the space outside dmac away in the first half, filled there lines with defenders. which will be why christie and ennor rushed up. dummy runnerin close fotced them to take him and make a different destion . good coaching who ever made the change at half time
@ploughboy said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Crucial said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
Watched Stevenson try a few times to try and work out how DMAc had such a huge hole to run into.
Havili totally misread the play and bit in on a forward runner well after the pass out the back from Gatland was made.
I still have no idea what Christie and Ennor were doing charging up out wide as if DMac was going to pass before running.
Really poor defence and good taking advantage of it.crusaders took the space outside dmac away in the first half, filled there lines with defenders. which will be why christie and ennor rushed up. dummy runnerin close fotced them to take him and make a different destion . good coaching who ever made the change at half time
Good point on them taking up the space out wide but in this case they failed to stay connected. The reason I rewatched is that they created such a huge hole.
Havili wasn't forced to come in, he misread the play IMO although I think RM had two runners coming at him so given his defensive weaknesses maybe Havili thought he had no option. Not a good sign for the ABs and will have been written down by other coaches with glee.
Would have to watch the phases beforehand to work out why the backline D was so out of order. It appeared to be RM, DH, TC, BE. Neither Saders or Chiefs had any wingers in that direction and Burke was MIA for the Saders.
