Hydroxycut
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[quote]glucosamine [/quote]<br /> 
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 My personal trial on this - it works - I don't take it, and withing days I am hobbling - rooted ankles and knees from rugby. Get back onto the glucosamine, and again, within days, able to function as a human being again!<br />
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 No doubt though, different people will have different results, but I would be a tick in the 'works bllody well column'<br />
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 glucosamine is the only supplement that I take.
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Different supplements have different effects on different people though. I remember reading that both Marc Ellis and Anton Oliver are "immune" to creatine. Having taken it a few times myself I suspect I might be as well and haven't really justified getting any more of that "fake muscle shit" ( my wifes words ) <br /> 
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 Anton Oliver obviously has some pretty farkin decent muscle building genes though.
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[quote name='BartMan']creatine you just piss out what you dont use, and you should be getting enough in the meat that you eat anyway - a great con I reckon on that one![/quote]<br /> 
 I've done two cycles of creatine, one did nothing and the other gave me some large gains (no major changes to my workout or intensity)<br />
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 The only difference I could tell were<br />
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 For the cycle that didn't do anything - the creatine was relatively cheap and I still drank a small insignificant amount of alcohol<br />
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 For the cycle that did work - the creatine was considerably more expensive and my alcohol in take was nil for the duration
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[quote name='Duluth'][quote name='BartMan']creatine you just piss out what you dont use, and you should be getting enough in the meat that you eat anyway - a great con I reckon on that one![/quote]<br /> 
 I've done two cycles of creatine, one did nothing and the other gave me some large gains (no major changes to my workout or intensity)<br />
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 The only difference I could tell were<br />
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 For the cycle that didn't do anything - the creatine was relatively cheap and I still drank a small insignificant amount of alcohol<br />
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 For the cycle that did work - the creatine was considerably more expensive and my alcohol in take was nil for the duration[/quote]<br />
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 A ha ! That may have been my problem then. While not drinking the ridiculous amounts I had done in my youth I still enjoyed the odd wine or beer while creatining. Obviously a few more in the weekend. I may give it another go next year ( afterall not fucken likely at the moment with Xmas nearly upon us )
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depends on the protein powder I assume - and like Duluth mentioned - the more you pay, the better the product, harsh but fair.<br /> 
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 WE use Isomax protin powder - zero carbs, and it seems to do the trick. That, and chicken breasts, fish and lean steak. No eggs at the moment, thank fuck!
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[quote name='BartMan']depends on the protein powder I assume - and like Duluth mentioned - the more you pay, the better the product, harsh but fair.<br /> 
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 WE use Isomax protin powder - zero carbs, and it seems to do the trick. That, and chicken breasts, fish and lean steak. No eggs at the moment, thank fuck![/quote]<br />
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 Potentially stupid question but why no eggs Bart ? too much cholesterol ? A couple cracked into a protein skake always make it a bit more proteiny.
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[quote name='MN5']Different supplements have different effects on different people though. I remember reading that both Marc Ellis and Anton Oliver are "immune" to creatine. Having taken it a few times myself I suspect I might be as well and haven't really justified getting any more of that "fake muscle shit" ( my wifes words ) <br /> 
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 Anton Oliver obviously has some pretty farkin decent muscle building genes though.[/QUOTE]<br />
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 I think what Anton struggled with was the water retention from creatine. It bloated him up and made him sluggish.



